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topspn

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russellg said:
I've read an awful lot of this thread and am keen to spend some £.

However given that you can't demo, I need to make a reasonably informed decision as to what to buy.

Been using a Yonex Ai Ezone 100-> DR 100 (didn't like the new Ezone) , decided to try some new racquets and really loved the Pure Strike P17, I felt that this gave me more pop, power, stability and I noticeably played better.

However, and no prizes for guessing what happened, my arm/elbow/shoulder completely rejected the PS.

Currently using a Prince Textreme Warrior which I find to be a small improvement on the DR.

So, given that limited info and a little about me (50's, all court, club league) what Angell would you recommend ? I'll probably ask Paul as well, but would appreciate thought from 'users'.

My initial thought is the K7, but that's based on a couple of reviews and it being new!
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TC100 as you seem to like frames with more prowess
 
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tennisreflectslife

Rookie
bahubali said:
Hi Angell gurus, I am a 4.0 or entry level 4.5 level player (on good days) and currently playing with Yonex Ezone DR 98 with 4 gms of additional lead at the throat. I would like some more stability, plow through and control without sacrificing a lot on power. I am bit sensitive to swingweight and want to keep the strung sw less than 328. I am considering the following frames, can you please provide me a rough estimate of the strung or unstrung swingweights on these frames -

1) tc95 16x19 320g(11.4oz) / 310mm(10ptsHL) 70RA
2) tc97 16x19 320g(11.4oz) / 310mm(10ptsHL) 66RA
3) tc97 18x20 320g(11.4oz) / 310mm(10ptsHL) 66RA
4) tc95 16x19 310g(11oz) / 315mm(9ptsHL) 63RA

Also which one you think would probably play closest to DR 98 ?
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I would say TC97 16x19 would be the best bet for you.
 
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LUFC

New User
russellg said:
I've read an awful lot of this thread and am keen to spend some £.

However given that you can't demo, I need to make a reasonably informed decision as to what to buy.

Been using a Yonex Ai Ezone 100-> DR 100 (didn't like the new Ezone) , decided to try some new racquets and really loved the Pure Strike P17, I felt that this gave me more pop, power, stability and I noticeably played better.

However, and no prizes for guessing what happened, my arm/elbow/shoulder completely rejected the PS.

Currently using a Prince Textreme Warrior which I find to be a small improvement on the DR.

So, given that limited info and a little about me (50's, all court, club league) what Angell would you recommend ? I'll probably ask Paul as well, but would appreciate thought from 'users'.

My initial thought is the K7, but that's based on a couple of reviews and it being new!
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We could be twins! Same age profile and similar racket history. I went from DR98 to PS Project 17 and also love this racket although it may be sacrilege to say such a thing here. I primarily play doubles so have not had a lot of pain but enough to know that if I played singles I may really struggle. Pity because I’ve never played better.
Decided to pull the trigger on a K7 a few weeks back after picking the brains of Topspn and reading this forum. I also strongly considered the TC100 but at the end of the day I was afraid it may be too unwieldy and not whippy enough for me. Also the K7 has almost identical specs to PS17 but is supposed to be mega comfortable. Good luck with your decision. I’d like to be able to tell you how the K7 plays but haven’t received it yet.
 
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ed70

Professional
LUFC said:
We could be twins! Same age profile and similar racket history. I went from DR98 to PS Project 17 and also love this racket although it may be sacrilege to say such a thing here. I primarily play doubles so have not had a lot of pain but enough to know that if I played singles I may really struggle. Pity because I’ve never played better.
Decided to pull the trigger on a K7 a few weeks back after picking the brains of Topspn and reading this forum. I also strongly considered the TC100 but at the end of the day I was afraid it may be too unwieldy and not whippy enough for me. Also the K7 has almost identical specs to PS17 but is supposed to be mega comfortable. Good luck with your decision. I’d like to be able to tell you how the K7 plays but haven’t received it yet.
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you’d be hard pressed to find many actual playing characteristics between the P07 and K7.

The K7 is a relatively low powered frame with very good control for a 16x19 and excellent feel/touch in its standard form. With customisation you can increase the power and stability.
 
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bahubali

New User
stephenclown said:
You could look at the TC95 63RA I think, I added a lot of lead to mine but its still good at stock, I just need 345 or so sw. Mine was 301 swingweight unstrung. 310g 9pt Headlight. Should be 295-305 that you can choose from which would be around your swingweight?

Also its a breeze to swing, one of the most manoeuvrable frames I have used and its about a 96 sq inch frame imo.
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For some reason I am inclining more towards this configuration as well. Any other comments on the stability, control and plow through of this racket in stock form ?

tc95 16x19 310g(11oz) / 315mm(9ptsHL) - 63RA
 
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stephenclown

Professional
bahubali said:
For some reason I am inclining more towards this configuration as well. Any other comments on the stability, control and plow through of this racket in stock form ?

tc95 16x19 310g(11oz) / 315mm(9ptsHL) - 63RA
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I feel its very stable for the type of frame it is, nothing like the RF97 but much more manoeuvrable. I have like 1 gram spread around 3 and 9 and about 4-5 grams at 12. I much prefer a higher swingweight than you so unsure how solid you find frames. Even at stock it was very good, I just wanted some more on the serve and backhand. I never really get bullied out of a rally except for my exceedingly lazy returns where I don't anticipate the ball and get caught out. It handles fast serves very well for its size and weight. I think a lot of people have around that spec for further tweaks in customisation, it is a very nice choice.

If you are after pure comfort I would push you to get a K7 though :) It has a lower sw so can customise it heavily too.

One thing I have struggled with is just screwing around with this frame, it has made my wrist pretty tender again but when playing properly there is no pain. Mainly feeding and hitting with kids I think is the issue, will nick my girlfriends TC97 18m for that from now on I guess or stick with my 90 with full nat gut.
 
RGT

RGT

Rookie
Hi all just a quick question. When using the manual customization worksheet, what distance do you guys use when you want to calculate the added sw by factoring in the weight of the strings? I was using 51.5 cm at ''lenght location'' and would then add the weight of the strings at ''mass to add''. Is the distance of 51.5 cm correct or is it more/less? (or am I doing this completely wrong?:rolleyes:) Thanks!
 
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saleem

Semi-Pro
RGT said:
Hi all just a quick question. When using the manual customization worksheet, what distance do you guys use when you want to calculate the added sw by factoring in the weight of the strings? I was using 51.5 cm at ''lenght location'' and would then add the weight of the strings at ''mass to add''. Is the distance of 51.5 cm correct or is it more/less? (or am I doing this completely wrong?:rolleyes:) Thanks!
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I dont know if you had a chance to read this thread? very good information there.
I calculate mine roughly from middle of the head (3-9 location) with 2 inches width of weight.
 
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Subaruvich

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I gave up on K7. I just couldn’t find the groove with this racquet. I like the feel of K7 very much, but stability is an issue, it twists in my hands too much and my strokes lack confidence. Of course I added lead here and there but whatever I tried didn’t work. I just play so much better with D beam Angells, whether it’s TC90, TC95 or TC100 that I better stick with these. I sold one of my K7 to my coach who plays with PT57A. He said for him K7 is the closest in feel to PT57, but much better for modern game and not so boring.


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Subaruvich

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Hansen said:
was the open string pattern a problem. in other words, how was the control of the k7.
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No problem with that. String spacing is basically the same as with TC95, but control is probably better with K7 given you hit clean. Hitting clean was a problem for me, I could not adapt hitting groundstrokes(forehand) and serves, timing was off, which led to off-center hits and racquet fluttering too much. I didn’t like the moulded grip and shape of the throat. If later we see K7 with removable palettes and handle weight system as on TCs, I could give it another try.


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Subaruvich

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Hansen said:
was the open string pattern a problem. in other words, how was the control of the k7.
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No problem with that. String spacing is basically the same as with TC95, but control is probably better with K7 given you hit clean. Hitting clean was a problem for me, I could not adapt hitting groundstrokes and serves, timing was off, which led to off-center hits and racquet fluttering too much. I didn’t like the moulded grip and shape of the throat. If later we see K7 with removable palettes and handle weight system as on TCs, I could give it another try.


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joohan

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Sambuccashake said:
It's not like they are expensive.
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Scandinavian optics.) No, Angell is not more expensive than other retail frames, quite on the contrary. But, believe or not, even in certain EU countries a 50€ saved takes you a long way. In Stockholm, that’s one mellow night out.
 
topspn

topspn

Legend
Subaruvich said:
I gave up on K7. I just couldn’t find the groove with this racquet. I like the feel of K7 very much, but stability is an issue, it twists in my hands too much and my strokes lack confidence. Of course I added lead here and there but whatever I tried didn’t work. I just play so much better with D beam Angells, whether it’s TC90, TC95 or TC100 that I better stick with these. I sold one of my K7 to my coach who plays with PT57A. He said for him K7 is the closest in feel to PT57, but much better for modern game and not so boring.


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Wow I am surprised! Yes, TC95/100 are great but I also really like the playability of k7. Anyway, too bad you didn’t like that much.
 
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Taita87

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They're not expensive at all, and consider that shipping cost is 40€ for me, too.
However I found a deal on sv95 that would cost like a used tc95, and as I intrinsically prefer the latter, I'm just asking one last time
 
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Taita87

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They're not expensive at all, and consider that shipping cost is 40€ for me, too.
However I found a deal on sv95 that would cost like a used tc95, and as I intrinsically prefer the latter, I'm just asking one last time
 
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ed70

Professional
Subaruvich said:
No problem with that. String spacing is basically the same as with TC95, but control is probably better with K7 given you hit clean. Hitting clean was a problem for me, I could not adapt hitting groundstrokes and serves, timing was off, which led to off-center hits and racquet fluttering too much. I didn’t like the moulded grip and shape of the throat. If later we see K7 with removable palettes and handle weight system as on TCs, I could give it another try.


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At 305g my K7’s weakness is dealing with deep heavy hit ground strokes on the FH side, just isn’t so solid as my TC97 and I guess it’s a kind of flutter that I’m feeling. I hit a double handed backhand and to be honest backhand for some reason is pretty sublime. Need to figure out a way to increase the stability whilst making it slightly more HL without adding too much weight!
 
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RGT

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ed70 said:
At 305g my K7’s weakness is dealing with deep heavy hit ground strokes on the FH side, just isn’t so solid as my TC97 and I guess it’s a kind of flutter that I’m feeling. I hit a double handed backhand and to be honest backhand for some reason is pretty sublime. Need to figure out a way to increase the stability whilst making it slightly more HL without adding too much weight!
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I had the same issue when I demoed the k7. Weighted it up to 330g /305mm balance and it played fantastic.

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topspn

topspn

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Yeah, I never hit with my k7 stock and never had any issues. I added the Oehms leather grip and 4.2gms @12. Strung with OG and little #33 rubber band, its 336gms and 7HL. It plays pretty solid while very maneuverable and of course superb comfort. I’m not having any problem with flutter any more then what is to be expected if i am simply not hitting cleanly. There is no such thing as absence of flutter, it is going to happen every time you don’t hit a clean ball. And as Ed said, the backhand just feels so sublime although I am 1hbh. But again, I am almost at 12 ounce and a SW of 330 so also able to handle heavy hitting pretty well and I don’t feel I am being pushed.
 
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therecanbeonlyone

Semi-Pro
I know many things go into finding your best racquet specs. I just don't think I can narrow it down exactly, as I tend to play equally poorly with any number of different sticks that I tote around. Since October 2017, I've been playing a Radical Tour 260 OS (Bumblebee). Yesterday I weighed it along with my newly acquired TC95 63RA 18x20. They came out to 343 and 342 grams respectively strung with overgrip. I didn't set out to make a 95 sq in D-beam version of the Bumblebee, but it looks like weight, flex, swingweight, balance are all pretty close. Either by coincidence or subconsciously. Due to weather, I've only hit with it twice so far, so can't really compare yet. It all felt natural though.
 
AMGF

AMGF

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topspn said:
Yeah, I never hit with my k7 stock and never had any issues. I added the Oehms leather grip and 4.2gms @12. Strung with OG and little #33 rubber band, its 336gms and 7HL. It plays pretty solid while very maneuverable and of course superb comfort. I’m not having any problem with flutter any more then what is to be expected if i am simply not hitting cleanly. There is no such thing as absence of flutter, it is going to happen every time you don’t hit a clean ball. And as Ed said, the backhand just feels so sublime although I am 1hbh. But again, I am almost at 12 ounce and a SW of 330 so also able to handle heavy hitting pretty well and I don’t feel I am being pushed.
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I agree, stock the K7 is light and has low SW. I hope people don’t expect a lightweight frame to perform like a RF97.

That being said, the K7 certainly is not worse than comparable weight/SW frames. With a leather grip and weight to 3-9 this can be turned into a very stable frame while also remaining very maneuverable.

I feel the K7 strongest point is its comfort. I also think it is quite powerful for its SW and has very good spin potential while having a controlled launch angle. This should be a fantastic stock frame for a lot of intermediate players. Advanced players will add weight depending on their needs and that is fine, the K7 can also used as a platform frame. But the most serious players will probably custom order from the TC line anyway. The K7 offers a solid option for those who don’t care about customization and just want a good frame out of the box.

However, the Kevlar in the K7 works so well, I’d be curious to try a TC97 18m with kevlar instead of foam...
 
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Gamechanger

New User
topspn said:
Yeah, I never hit with my k7 stock and never had any issues. I added the Oehms leather grip and 4.2gms @12. Strung with OG and little #33 rubber band, its 336gms and 7HL. It plays pretty solid while very maneuverable and of course superb comfort. I’m not having any problem with flutter any more then what is to be expected if i am simply not hitting cleanly. There is no such thing as absence of flutter, it is going to happen every time you don’t hit a clean ball. And as Ed said, the backhand just feels so sublime although I am 1hbh. But again, I am almost at 12 ounce and a SW of 330 so also able to handle heavy hitting pretty well and I don’t feel I am being pushed.
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I like Oehms Leather too. Wanted to try it in grey, pure, but its out of Stock.

The Problem for me is, that the Grip 3 is really Big on K7. But dont know is it the "Pallet" or the Basegrip?

I think your Specs are really finetuned. Play my Ultra tour also with Oehms Leather, 336 Gramm, 7 pts Hl. Nice Set Up.

Yeah, Ultra and K7 are sublime for 1hbh.

Btw, could the K7 be an Option for a 3.0 Player?
 
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RGT

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AMGF said:
I agree, stock the K7 is light and has low SW. I hope people don’t expect a lightweight frame to perform like a RF97.

That being said, the K7 certainly is not worse than comparable weight/SW frames. With a leather grip and weight to 3-9 this can be turned into a very stable frame while also remaining very maneuverable.

I feel the K7 strongest point is its comfort. I also think it is quite powerful for its SW and has very good spin potential while having a controlled launch angle. This should be a fantastic stock frame for a lot of intermediate players. Advanced players will add weight depending on their needs and that is fine, the K7 can also used as a platform frame. But the most serious players will probably custom order from the TC line anyway. The K7 offers a solid option for those who don’t care about customization and just want a good frame out of the box.

However, the Kevlar in the K7 works so well, I’d be curious to try a TC97 18m with kevlar instead of foam...
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Agreed on your k7 remarks! And a TCKevlar line would be epic I think.

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topspn

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AMGF said:
I agree, stock the K7 is light and has low SW. I hope people don’t expect a lightweight frame to perform like a RF97.

That being said, the K7 certainly is not worse than comparable weight/SW frames. With a leather grip and weight to 3-9 this can be turned into a very stable frame while also remaining very maneuverable.

I feel the K7 strongest point is its comfort. I also think it is quite powerful for its SW and has very good spin potential while having a controlled launch angle. This should be a fantastic stock frame for a lot of intermediate players. Advanced players will add weight depending on their needs and that is fine, the K7 can also used as a platform frame. But the most serious players will probably custom order from the TC line anyway. The K7 offers a solid option for those who don’t care about customization and just want a good frame out of the box.

However, the Kevlar in the K7 works so well, I’d be curious to try a TC97 18m with kevlar instead of foam...
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Yes, agreed accept i went for weight directly on 12 for most SW with least amount of weight. I was trying to keep it whippy and as it turns out worked pretty well for me. I am not having problems with twist weight.
 
topspn

topspn

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Gamechanger said:
I like Oehms Leather too. Wanted to try it in grey, pure, but its out of Stock.

The Problem for me is, that the Grip 3 is really Big on K7. But dont know is it the "Pallet" or the Basegrip?

I think your Specs are really finetuned. Play my Ultra tour also with Oehms Leather, 336 Gramm, 7 pts Hl. Nice Set Up.

Yeah, Ultra and K7 are sublime for 1hbh.

Btw, could the K7 be an Option for a 3.0 Player?
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I am not having a problem with the grip size and i have an L4. I like it but its a leather grip so slimmer then the stock grip. And no I truly don’t have big hands. I can fit a forefinger just right in the gap between the tip of my fingers and heel of my hand grabbing the handle. Think the problem is with the PU stock grip is too thick. No, I would not recommend for a 3.0. I think with the flex that begs control through ball pocketing and control nature of the frame, it needs a player with more advanced technique to really get the best out of it.
 
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topspn

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I wasn’t particularly good yesterday spraying balls so i picked up k7. Things fells into place pretty quickly and as much as I love the TC100, my strokes seem more natural with K7. Stepping in and hitting early works so well with K7
 
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RGT

Rookie
topspn said:
I wasn’t particularly good yesterday spraying balls so i picked up k7. Things fells into place pretty quickly and as much as I love the TC100, my strokes seem more natural with K7. Stepping in and hitting early works so well with K7
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Do I hear someone switching from his main stick? ;)
 
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krikamons

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in anticipation of the arrival of my k7 tomorrow, i wonder if anyone has any string advice? would try halo2 but have only half a set left. do you think halo2 in the mains would work with 4g in the crosses?
 
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topspn

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RGT said:
Do I hear someone switching from his main stick? ;)
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This is on the table, I have not decided but K7 gives me more fluidity for some reason coupled with better precision and control. TC100 gives more brawn and a bigger serve. I will take my tension down to 50lbs next time i string the K7. The weight I added and Oehlms leather seem to have been just perfect for the overall balance of this frame. I totally lucked out, first weight I added needed no more tinkering and was just perfect for me.
 
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topspn

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krikamons said:
in anticipation of the arrival of my k7 tomorrow, i wonder if anyone has any string advice? would try halo2 but have only half a set left. do you think halo2 in the mains would work with 4g in the crosses?
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I’d suggest quickly get Halo2 and use full bed. It’s been great on K7 and no I don’t think 4g on the crosses would be a nice fit in feel or playability. Then again, I am no fan of 4g
 
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krikamons

Rookie
thanks, a bit late on getting more of halo2 - shipment on its way already, will use halo1 for mains then (worked well in tc97). 4g has been gathering dust for a while as i have been staying away from stiffer strings due to arm issues and thought maybe now is my chance to try it in a comfortable frame. but also don't want to ruin the first impressions - very few good words about 4g in this forum
 
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topspn

Legend
On the topic of strings for the K7, I suspect scorpion 1.22mm would also be a very nice fit based on a couple of comments from Ed and someone else. I think they are right, this is a frame that asks for a responsive string with good feel. I would like to try it myself but I don’t want to mess with what is already working out well given I only have 1 K7.
 
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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
topspn said:
On the topic of strings for the K7, I suspect scorpion 1.22mm would also be a very nice fit based on a couple of comments from Ed and someone else. I think they are right, this is a frame that asks for a responsive string with good feel. I would like to try it myself but I don’t want to mess with what is already working out well given I only have 1 K7.
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Same situation as me. Tc95 and tc97 both with scorpion at 48lbs. After several tests the victory was of tc95 in this configuration. I will not change anymore.

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krikamons

Rookie
I'll give scorpion a try
I wasn't blown away by silverstring. (Not to say it was bad. But liked rs lyon better.) So I hope scorpion will be different (in the right way) from silverstring
Besides halo2 which other shaped poly would you suggest?
 
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topspn

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krikamons said:
I'll give scorpion a try
I wasn't blown away by silverstring. (Not to say it was bad. But liked rs lyon better.) So I hope scorpion will be different (in the right way) from silverstring
Besides halo2 which other shaped poly would you suggest?
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For K7, i suspect Ytex square-x would also be a responsive good feeling string.
 
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