Wilson Pro Stock Line

dr325i

dr325i

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Power Player said:
Whats your guess on the 16x19 h22. And have you used it? A lot of us are trying to get more info on that model- how powerful, how much spin, pros and cons. Whatever you can share.
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I’ve tried it before but never clicked with the H22. I did try the 16x19 and is more powerful than the 18x20. Went back to head after that
 
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BoxbeamsFTW

Semi-Pro
Ryanblessed said:
So Ultra Pro 18x20 is the same with today's Ultra Pro V3?
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AA7 said:
To me that is likely bc they took the ultra pro v3 out of ultra page and put it in pro labs page

Pro Labs - Tennis

www.wilson.com www.wilson.com
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I really fear this may be the case too and worry a little about the rest of the line.

I demoed the Ultra tour and definitely didn't love it. Not horrible but it kinda felt hollow to me too like others have said. Just one sample and maybe the strings, not sure what they were anymore, black poly possible Cyclone? But I felt there were better options.

This sums it up for me -
johndajohn said:
If the Ultra pro is just the same layup as the original ultra tour with a different drill pattern, then it’s a definite no from me.

I’ve played the ultra tour alongside my h19s and there is a huge difference between the two.

most h19 pro stocks come at a stock spec between 325-330 grams unstrung.
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I also have a suspicion Wilson delayed the release of Pro Labs due to covid and this is why the name change of Ultra Tour like someone said before, thought it was just due to Nishikori's frame before.
 
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BoxbeamsFTW

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jason n said:
I have the Ultra Pro and plays the same as UT. Specs were spot on. Asked about grommets and they didn’t say if they were selling any and just directed me to buy the UT grommets as they would fit.
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Darn

Still might get a Blade Pro 18x20 later on though depending what people here say.

I've thought about pulling the trigger on a H22 mold for the longest time. Couldn't stomach the Pro stock prices tho.
 
ryushen21

ryushen21

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BoxbeamsFTW said:
I really fear this may be the case too and worry a little about the rest of the line.

I demoed the Ultra tour and definitely didn't love it. Not horrible but it kinda felt hollow to me too like others have said. Just one sample and maybe the strings, not sure what they were anymore, black poly possible Cyclone?
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You do realize the ultra tour is a platform racquet, right? You have to spend some time dialing in the lead setup and getting the strings right. I can guarantee it's far from hollow.
 
MasterZeb

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Hmm. I was interested in the Ultra pro 16x19, but upon closer inspection of the images, it seems it will have 8 mains in the throat. Too closed for me. Was hoping for 6 like the pro staffs. So 6.1 it is.
 
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BoxbeamsFTW

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ryushen21 said:
You do realize the ultra tour is a platform racquet, right? You have to spend some time dialing in the lead setup and getting the strings right. I can guarantee it's far from hollow.
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I wanted to like it. But it was a demo, so I definitely didn't want to commit a bunch of time to placing tape trying to see if it was a good fit. I ultimately felt I knew I would never like the way it swings though. It's kinda how I wanted the Dunlop CX 2.0 tour to be. I like that better. If I was being true to my username, it should probably be tapered beams ftw lol.
Edit: Forgot to also say I was a little annoyed at Wilson for making the orig Ultra Tour's pj chip so easily. Still hopeful for the rest of the line though, atm anyway.

Current favorite racquets though are:

TF40
TT95 first gen
Phantom 93p
Pro tour 2.0
360+ prestige MP
(In no order.)

Edit: Oops forgot about the Vcore Pro 97HD
 
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Pneumated1

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MasterZeb said:
Hmm. I was interested in the Ultra pro 16x19, but upon closer inspection of the images, it seems it will have 8 mains in the throat. Too closed for me. Was hoping for 6 like the pro staffs. So 6.1 it is.
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If that's true, the 16x19 has gone from an interest to a sure purchase. That's great news. I was prepared for the disappointment of 6 mains in the bridge, but I personally think a tight 16x19 in the UT/Ultra Pro is ideal. Wow!
 
ryushen21

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MasterZeb said:
Hmm. I was interested in the Ultra pro 16x19, but upon closer inspection of the images, it seems it will have 8 mains in the throat. Too closed for me. Was hoping for 6 like the pro staffs. So 6.1 it is.
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Where did you see that? From what I saw on the limited site that was up, there weren't close ups of the different patterns for the Blade Pro or Ultra pro
 
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BoxbeamsFTW

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MasterZeb said:
Hmm. I was interested in the Ultra pro 16x19, but upon closer inspection of the images, it seems it will have 8 mains in the throat. Too closed for me. Was hoping for 6 like the pro staffs. So 6.1 it is.
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ryushen21 said:
Where did you see that? From what I saw on the limited site that was up, there weren't close ups of the different patterns for the Blade Pro or Ultra pro
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Wait a second. I just had a thought. You didn't get that from looking at the leaked stock photos from this thread did you?

Because if you look closely at the top line up of the racquets. They just repeated the Ultra 18x20 pic twice.
 
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BoxbeamsFTW

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ryushen21 said:
If you zoom in on the blade it clearly says 18x20 and that's definitely the the 18x20 UP.
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What? Sorry are you talking to specifically me? Why would I zoom in on the Blade? I was talking about whether the Ultra Pro 16x19 would have 8 mains in the throat or 6.

If it's the Ultra Pro, the stock photo at the top is still showing a pic of an 18x20 Ultra Pro above the 16x19 title.

Anyways, if @MasterZeb still wanted a 8 mains in a 16x19ish pattern 97 sq in head, there's the Phantom 97p to try?
 
ryushen21

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BoxbeamsFTW said:
What? Sorry are you talking to specifically me? Why would I zoom in on the Blade? I was talking about whether the Ultra Pro 16x19 would have 8 mains in the throat or 6.

If it's the Ultra Pro, the stock photo at the top is still showing a pic of an 18x20 Ultra Pro above the 16x19 title.

Anyways, if @MasterZeb still wanted a 8 mains in a 16x19ish pattern 97 sq in head, there's the Phantom 97p to try?
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I was just giving reference points for the pics.

While the site was up, there were no specific pics of the 16x19 versions of either the blade or the ultra. So I think that speculation about an 8m 16x19 UP might be a bit premature.
 
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Pneumated1

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BoxbeamsFTW said:
What? Sorry are you talking to specifically me? Why would I zoom in on the Blade? I was talking about whether the Ultra Pro 16x19 would have 8 mains in the throat or 6.

If it's the Ultra Pro, the stock photo at the top is still showing a pic of an 18x20 Ultra Pro above the 16x19 title.

Anyways, if @MasterZeb still wanted a 8 mains in a 16x19ish pattern 97 sq in head, there's the Phantom 97p to try?
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He doesn't want 8 mains. He wants 6. I and many others, I suspect, want 8. But I already hit the UT, so I'm fine with the 18x20 and still may give the 16x19 a shot either way.
 
haqq777

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BoxbeamsFTW said:
What? Sorry are you talking to specifically me? Why would I zoom in on the Blade? I was talking about whether the Ultra Pro 16x19 would have 8 mains in the throat or 6.

If it's the Ultra Pro, the stock photo at the top is still showing a pic of an 18x20 Ultra Pro above the 16x19 title.

Anyways, if @MasterZeb still wanted a 8 mains in a 16x19ish pattern 97 sq in head, there's the Phantom 97p to try?
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MasterZeb said:
Hmm. I was interested in the Ultra pro 16x19, but upon closer inspection of the images, it seems it will have 8 mains in the throat. Too closed for me. Was hoping for 6 like the pro staffs. So 6.1 it is.
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ryushen21 said:
I was just giving reference points for the pics.

While the site was up, there were no specific pics of the 16x19 versions of either the blade or the ultra. So I think that speculation about an 8m 16x19 UP might be a bit premature.
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Guys the H19 16x19 has 6 mains in the throat, not 8. The 18x20 version has 8 mains. I think the website used stock images of 18x20 for both string patterns hence the 8 vs 6 main confusion.



 
Alexh22

Alexh22

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Oops. For some reason mixed him with Murray s pt57 16m. My bad

As long as I can get h19 in the same mold as Coric it is ok.
 
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Aussie-pro

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Does anyone know if Wilson provides a matching service? Also, will they be providing specs such as swingweight and twistweight? Us consumers should expect the above considering the premium price for their products... thoughts everyone?
 
ryushen21

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Aussie-pro said:
Does anyone know if Wilson provides a matching service? Also, will they be providing specs such as swingweight and twistweight? Us consumers should expect the above considering the premium price for their products... thoughts everyone?
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Offering a matching service would force them to admit they have a wider variance in the production specs than they want to admit. Short answer, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Wilson also appears to be relatively tight on what specs they publish. Outside of unstrung weight and balance point, I wouldn't get my hopes up. We've depended on TW and other retailers to conduct independent inspections/reviews and we won't likely get that with these frames.
 
Vicious49

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Aussie-pro said:
Does anyone know if Wilson provides a matching service? Also, will they be providing specs such as swingweight and twistweight? Us consumers should expect the above considering the premium price for their products... thoughts everyone?
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premium price? The clash is $249. The RF97 is $249. Many of their racquets are $229. If they are charging $249 for these, I’d call that more standard pricing than premium pricing.
 
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BoxbeamsFTW

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Aussie-pro said:
Does anyone know if Wilson provides a matching service? Also, will they be providing specs such as swingweight and twistweight? Us consumers should expect the above considering the premium price for their products... thoughts everyone?
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Wilson doesn't but didn't they recently introduce a reduced spec variance pledge on their racquets? Or was that just for their custom frames? I vote they really really should provide swingweight. They should also provide twistweight but no one does. I tend to add tape anyway so it's kinda fine.

Geoff said:
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I have an older one with the old black and silver Blade graphics that is one of my favorite racquets ever. I heard a good explanation that an H22 is the result of a Blade and RF97 having an off spring. The spin potential is very similar to an RF97. The beam shape and width looks very close to a RF97 minus the PWS. The RA is much lower. I have worked on a few for tour players that varied in specs. I don't have the exact specs recorded but remember starting static weights at 305g to 335g. They came in batches and were usually all quite close. Don't be alarmed that there is a QC issue just that the tour players had options. I had a 18x17 H22 for a while that I gave to a very good friend.
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Been meaning to reply to this but forgot. I find this funny because the RF97 came after the H22 haha. I always thought the RF97 was kinda like a baby between the PS90 and the H22. Vaguely. If you take the overall head shape of the PS and kinda fit it onto the beam and throat of the H22. Modernize the top a bit.
 
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ryushen21 said:
Offering a matching service would force them to admit they have a wider variance in the production specs than they want to admit. Short answer, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Wilson also appears to be relatively tight on what specs they publish. Outside of unstrung weight and balance point, I wouldn't get my hopes up. We've depended on TW and other retailers to conduct independent inspections/reviews and we won't likely get that with these frames.
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With all due respect, IMO, I don't think it has anything to do with them admitting variance, they already permit variance for their specs (implied admission), and I think it would be unreasonable for the consumer to expect no variance at all. What it offers is the option of a batch of 2 or more racquets with specs that are close to each other. Babolat offered it with the package of 2 racquets. Tennis Warehouse offers it. A company like Wilson should offer it considering the premium price point.
 
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Vicious49 said:
premium price? The clash is $249. The RF97 is $249. Many of their racquets are $229. If they are charging $249 for these, I’d call that more standard pricing than premium pricing.
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IMO, yes, I think $249 USD can be considered a 'premium price' for a tennis racquet.
 
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BoxbeamsFTW

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Aussie-pro said:
IMO, yes, I think $249 USD can be considered a 'premium price' for a tennis racquet.
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Especially if this is only direct from them and they cut out the middleman. No one else is taking a cut why not?

Also because it's just information. Even if it was just for this exclusive product line. We can't get the information from anywhere else and it has a big impact on how a racquet plays.
 
AceyMan

AceyMan

Professional
H22 fan said:
Coric bouncing from h19 to p25. H19, 16x19, has 6 mains in throat, P25, 16x19 has 8 mains in throat.
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No one has mentioned how cheated we are without the H25. Half-hearted effort by The W Co. without that platform in the mix.

/Acey

I am totally (kind of) kidding. Maybe if this program does well, they'd add an H25 "retail stock" next spring or something. Could happen.
 
AceyMan

AceyMan

Professional
vsbabolat said:
He uses P25 or something like that. Wilson copy of a Prince
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Which Prince would that be? the PGM would be nice to have as a pro stock clone.

In which case, I'd say ...

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/Acey

p.s. that is not actually me in the clip :-|
 
El_Yotamo

El_Yotamo

Hall of Fame
zipplock said:
I had an 18x20. Was a good racquet. 16x19 for a little more spin will make it a great racquet.
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Yup, the only issue I have with my 18x20 H19 is that it doesn't perform nearly as well spin-wise as my PT57As, which it's kind of supposed to emulate. Looking forward to seeing if the 16x19 meets that though.
 
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