5th Advantage set vs 5th set Tiebreaker in GS

[Deleted member 688153]

I would prefer the USO to revert to having an endless advantage 5th set in their matches.
I love that format and I don't like 5-set matches ending in TBs.

We've had some really great classics with long 5th sets, such as Stan beating Novak 9-7, Novak beating Stan 12-10, Nadal beating Federer 9-7, Federer beating Roddick 16-14, and of course Isner beating Mahut 70-68.

Which format do you prefer for GS tournaments and why?

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

5th set tie-break until final at all Slams.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

5th set tie-break until final at all Slams.

Perhaps.
The 20-18 1R matches are ridiculous, I agree.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

I like it the way it is; I prefer the fight till death endless spectactle in general, but also enjoy the fact that 1 slam employs the tiebreak, because that is the most possible concentrated drama imaginable.

 

[The Green Mile]

I like it the way it is; I prefer the fight till death endless spectactle in general, but also enjoy the fact that 1 slam employs the tiebreak, because that is the most possible concentrated drama imaginable.

This. The "sudden death" TB at the USO, usually always makes for great drama and crowd support.

 

[abmk]

have the 5th set until something like 12 all or 15 all and then a TB ...that way it won't end abruptly early in the 5th set and it won't stretch on for that long in the 5th set ....

 

[nowhereman]

Gonna say 5th set tiebreak, even though an advantage set is great too. I think having an entire match rest on one tiebreak makes things a lot more intense and dramatic. It's a complete do or die situation and it really shows who performs best under pressure, so for me, something like that beats seeing a 20-18 set any day.

 

[Jaitock1991]

If it goes to a 5th set, do not keep playing. Just gift the player with the leading h2h between the two the victory. If they're equal or playing for the first time, the player who has won the most points total against Rafael Nadal Parera(the healthy one!) should win the match.

Seriously though, I think Nathaniel is spot on. Seems most fair.

 

[nowhereman]

If it goes to a 5th set, do not keep playing. Just gift the player with the leading h2h between the two the victory. If they're equal or playing for the first time, the player who has won the most points total against Rafael Nadal Parera(the healthy one!) should win the match.

Seriously though, I think Nathaniel is spot on. Seems most fair.

What if they never played Nadal?

 

[Jaitock1991]

What if they never played Nadal?

Then emperor Toni Nadal shall decide the outcome.
Right thumb up; the player who won the 4th set wins.
Right thumb down; the player who won the 4th set loses.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

the player who has won the most points total against Rafael Nadal Parera(the healthy one!)

No-one has ever won points off healthy Nadal though (it's a mythical creature), so it'd be a 0-0 draw there.

I agree that we should simply let Toni decide.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Fifth set tiebreaker is good for matches till semis and advantage set is good for final.
I don't want player to get tired by playing advantage set in quarter or semi.

 

[PeterHo]

5th set tie-break until final at all Slams.

This makes sense.

the final deserves to go the distance.

 

[SQA333]

Compromise.

Tiebreak at 8 or 10 games-all, for all matches except the final.

 

[Fiero425]

Fifth set tiebreaker is good for matches till semis and advantage set is good for final.
I don't want player to get tired by playing advantage set in quarter or semi.

The USO actually played best of 3 for 3 rounds and started B of 5 from R16 to final! A final shouldn't have a 5th set TB under any circumstance; bad calls, net cords, and the crowd can influence an entire match! That shouldn't determine a major! ;-)

 

[Blocker]

5th set tie-break until final at all Slams.

Why have one set of rules for earlier rounds and one set of rules for the final?

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

Why have one set of rules for earlier rounds and one set of rules for the final?

Why not.

 

[SpinToWin]

Why have one set of rules for earlier rounds and one set of rules for the final?

Why is that strange? It was the case at the Masters and the Masters Cup for years.

 

[Chicharito]

5th set TB. At the very least have a TB at 12-12. It isn't the drama I care about as much but the players and their future prospects in the draw.

Tie breaker (best of 21) at 24-24 or something in slam finals. (Just in case precaution)

Davis Cup have already got rid. Farcical that there will be no final set Tie breaks in the Olympics next year. (I believe that is the case)

 

[Garhi Shot First]

I prefer advantage sets, but I understand why TBs would be appealing. I like @Nathaniel_Near's idea, but I'd want advantage sets to start in Week 2 rather than TBs all the way until the final. Some real gems have been played in BO5 overtime, matches with enthralling momentum shifts that would have felt completely different with 5 TB sets that could hinge on a single point. I'd hate to narrow down the opportunity for those epics to just 3 times a year--at AO, RG, and W, what with TBs at USO already and DC going to TBs starting next year.

 

[xFedal]

I would prefer the USO to revert to having an endless advantage 5th set in their matches.
I love that format and I don't like 5-set matches ending in TBs.

We've had some really great classics with long 5th sets, such as Stan beating Novak 9-7, Novak beating Stan 12-10, Federer beating Nadal 9-7, Federer beating Roddick 16-14, and of course Isner beating Mahut 70-68.

Which format do you prefer for GS tournaments and why?

When did Fed beat Rafa 9-7? Wimby o8 ssays Rafael beat Fed 9-7.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

When did Fed beat Rafa 9-7? Wimby o8 ssays Rafael beat Fed 9-7.

Crap. Sorry.

Lol

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Farcical that there will be no final set Tie breaks in the Olympics next year. (I believe that is the case)

Why farcical?
They've never had final set TBs before have they?
Fine to disagree with them, but I don't see how it's farcical.

 

[TheMaestro1990]

Has there ever been a US Open final ending with a fifth set tiebreak?

 

[Fiero425]

Has there ever been a US Open final ending with a fifth set tiebreak?

OTTH I have to say "NO!" Plenty of semi's have; esp. one on "the longest day" back in '84 USO; Super Saturday! Cash was up and serving for it against Lendl, got upset over a fault called on his serve right down the middle, then lost the match in a 5th set Tie-Breaker! ;-)

 

[Red Rick]

I hate 5th set tie breaks, and will continue to hate them. Early marathons usually happen to players who aren't gonna win and I just like that even two journeymen can have a heroic match in the first round of a tournament.

 

[Cenarius]

Has there ever been a US Open final ending with a fifth set tiebreak?

No,but there is always a first time.

 

[nolefam_2024]

This fifth set going on and on is ridiculous. Someone playing long match is at disadvantage in next one.
Although it is fine, we are talking about weak era MUGs here and who cares about MUGs if they get far in the draw or not.

 

[Wynter]

Not only have companies wanted matches to go for shorter lengths, the 5th set TB not only makes for incredible drama but prevents overly long matches which cause a drain on scheduling, sap the strength of the player that stays standing and ultimately degrades the quality of the next match or the quality of several matches due to said scheduling shifts.

We may all fondly remember Isner-Mahut, but the players meant to take to the court after them and whatever opponent they may have had were likely not impressed.

Plus Agassi vs Blake remains one of the best matches I've seen and I think the TB added to it's mystique.

 

[Chicharito]

Why farcical?
They've never had final set TBs before have they?
Fine to disagree with them, but I don't see how it's farcical.

Farcical maybe too strong but I think they definitely need to go in the Olympics because the Olympics is more like a Masters Series than a slam, play back to back days.

If the Federer Del potro match (19-17 final set) was a QF (not a SF) the winner would have had to come out the next day and play.

Obviously the longer matches often take place between big serves and there is less running but still. The Tsonga Raonic 2012 match was actually less than 4 hours despite finishing 25-23 (spread over two days, so not that bad at all). Tsonga won his next match and went on to win Silver in doubles.


More generally, I just don't like making the sport too physical in terms of recovery. It gives a bigger advantage to potential PED users, and that in turn increases the probability of PED use.

 

[Checkmate]

5th set Tie-break untill semi finals.

 

[Bluefan75]

Farcical maybe too strong but I think they definitely need to go in the Olympics because the Olympics is more like a Masters Series than a slam, play back to back days.

If the Federer Del potro match (19-17 final set) was a QF (not a SF) the winner would have had to come out the next day and play.

Obviously the longer matches often take place between big serves and there is less running but still. The Tsonga Raonic 2012 match was actually less than 4 hours despite finishing 25-23 (spread over two days, so not that bad at all). Tsonga won his next match and went on to win Silver in doubles.


More generally, I just don't like making the sport too physical in terms of recovery. It gives a bigger advantage to potential PED users, and that in turn increased the probability of PED use.

Now that is an interesting point I wouldn't have considered. I've always been a "play it out like the rules were intended" guy, but, this definitely makes me think that over.

 

[Blocker]

Why not.

Because a match is a match is a match. A tennis match in one event should have the same rules as every other match in that same vent. The first round is as much an elimination match as the final itself. Rules should be the same across the board. Why not go that extra step and change the rules for each round.

 

[Dave1982]

I would prefer the USO to revert to having an endless advantage 5th set in their matches.
I love that format and I don't like 5-set matches ending in TBs.

We've had some really great classics with long 5th sets, such as Stan beating Novak 9-7, Novak beating Stan 12-10, Nadal beating Federer 9-7, Federer beating Roddick 16-14, and of course Isner beating Mahut 70-68.

Which format do you prefer for GS tournaments and why?

Absolutely agree, much prefer 5th set Advatage over TB...in my opinion playing advantage is much more intense & requires players to really dig deep & draw on more skills than what a TB does.

Only way I could be partially convinced for introducing 5th set TB across the board would be for all matches prior to Finals (QF, SF & F) to be 5th set TB & then have all finals play as 5th set advantage.

 

[torpantennis]

I would prefer the USO to revert to having an endless advantage 5th set in their matches.
I love that format and I don't like 5-set matches ending in TBs.

We've had some really great classics with long 5th sets, such as Stan beating Novak 9-7, Novak beating Stan 12-10, Nadal beating Federer 9-7, Federer beating Roddick 16-14, and of course Isner beating Mahut 70-68.

Which format do you prefer for GS tournaments and why?

Nadal beating Djokovic 9-7, where art thou?

 

[fps]

Keep it as it is. Long matches are unusual, and if you can't get it done, you should suffer for it in the next round.

 

[tacou]

I enjoy the drama/tradition of Ad. sets, but when it becomes clear that neither player will be physically able to compete in their next match, the set becomes less entertaining.

I think a TB at 12 games all works best. That is playing an entire sixth set that also goes to a TB. Maybe play a 10pt. TB if you'd like