A bit of respect towards Cilic (and Djokovic) ?

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

This is getting disgusting. Today I have seen zero respect and admiration for Cilic, who won an epic match vs Tsonga. Despite choking the 4th set and wasting MPs, he still won the match. The atmosphere was like nothing happened. Even if Jo was American this is still weird to say the least.
Some players can literally bleed on court and will receive no credit and admiration. It happened to Djokovic a few times. Winning Slams and being the most humble player on tour is also not enough...
Cilic comes back from that awful doping scandal by reaching two Wimbly quarterfinals, winning USO after trashing Berdych, Federer and Nishi all in straight sets and now being in another semi. Hardly anyone paying attention to him.
Did Cilic and Djokovic do something criminal outside of court to receive hardly any credit for their achievements. In fact, I think they should be applauded more than most of others. Sticking to their own country and their rubbi$h conditions, playing against some of best players, facing adversity, keeping cool heads, and still being looked as sports villains. Of course there is a gap between Nole and Marin, but both are always beating the odds stacked against them and I picked them now because they are the closest players related to me.
On the other side, we have Federer and Nadal, who after winning their 1st round match at a Grand Slam, are tipped to win an 18th Major and getting back to old form respectively.
What's up with all that ? Don't give me the "aura" answer.

 

[tennisaddict]

- ESPN trying to curtail the interview with Cilic, so he can be cleared out of the court for the Williams Sisters match.

- No one is talking about the match for the last 1 hour.

- I would not mind Cilic vs Anderson final and screwing viewership for the second year running

 

[Legend of Borg]

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[csmoove899]

Hopefully the semifinal atmosphere will be more colorful when some drunk, rowdy Croats and Serbs show up

 

[Technology Ruined Tennis]

Who cares if people like you? It has no effect on your chances of winning.

This isn't college football where perception can keep you out of the championship.

 

[Djokodal Fan]

no-one cares about Cilic. That is why.

Djokovic is a different animal!

 

[West Coast Ace]

Some players can literally bleed on court and will receive no credit and admiration. It happened to Djokovic a few times.

Welcome to the boards. Now lighten up. It was a long match. It was a strange match - each player took turns looking good and pretty bad. And most importantly there's a big match coming up - some of the day session people probably need to go the restroom, get something to eat/drink, then get back in time.

 

[Attila_the_gorilla]

Cilic is sort of uninteresting, despite his achievements.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

This is getting disgusting. Today I have seen zero respect and admiration for Cilic, who won an epic match vs Tsonga...

Zero respect and admiration for the OP. You should not be posting results in the GPP forum so soon after the match. Forum rules state this.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Zero respect and admiration for the OP. You should not be posting results in the GPP forum so soon after the match. Forum rules state this.

Why comparing me to two Grand Slam winners? Makes no sense.
How long should I wait to post the results? And what kind of a rule is that? Anyway it is not the first time I opened a discussion straight after some match ended. First time I heard of that restriction.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Nice Djoke @Legend of Borg

 

[Attila_the_gorilla]

Some people may watch the match recorded and don't wanna know the result, but still come to this site to talk/read about general player topics. You could start this same thread in the results section.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

Why comparing me to two Grand Slam winners? Makes no sense. How long should I wait to post the results? And what kind of a rule is that?

It is the forum rules. Take a look at the top of the GPP discussion:

General Pro Player Discussion
Talk about anything Pro.. Except Match Results!

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

Also:

Pro Match Results
Place your *Spoiler* threads here! Discuss Pro tournaments, matches, and results. DO NOT enter this forum if you do not want to see match results!

 

[coupergear]

Cilic has a similar problem with Djokovic, Eastern Europe background. My opinion is that Americans have bias against these players due to lingering cold war stereotypes, as well as 90s hot wars, and the modern perception of corruption in these cultures. Especially for non-hardcore fans, the viewers with a limited knowledge of the tour. Novak, with his backstory and engaging personality, has managed to break through this a bit, but still there. Cilic with his doping charge fits into the corrupt/lawless stereotype. Reminds of Lendl, he personified Eastern bloc, and mainstream fans never warmed to him, nor appreciated him for the groundbreaking player he was.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Some people may watch the match recorded and don't wanna know the result, but still come to this site to talk/read about general player topics. You could start this same thread in the results section.

It is the forum rules. Take a look at the top of the GPP discussion:

General Pro Player Discussion
Talk about anything Pro.. Except Match Results!

Also:

Pro Match Results
Place your *Spoiler* threads here! Discuss Pro tournaments, matches, and results. DO NOT enter this forum if you do not want to see match results!

I was unaware that there are a lot of people recording matches and watching them afterwards while being unaware of the result. I will not make the same mistake again. Still, my thread was about Djoko and Marin, not the recent US Open match, so there was no intention of "spoiling".

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

^ It seems that the forum mods have not been on top of this lately.

 

[Attila_the_gorilla]

It was unintended but still happened. Never mind, you'll be more careful.next time. Luckily it's only Cilic.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

It was unintended but still happened. Never mind, you'll be more careful.next time. Luckily it's only Cilic.

Wow, you are right, his underrated status saved my Talk tennis career.

 

[RalphJ]

We never said Cilic didn't have skills, man

 

[Fedfan34]

Djokovic is not the most humble player on the circuit. That is rubbish. Humble players don't rip off their shirts and pounce around like silverbacks after victory.

Cilic deserves more credit. I give a (slight) tip of my hat.

 

[Attila_the_gorilla]

No doubt he's a national hero in his country. Maybe that's all the respect/attention he wants. Unlike Djokovic who seems really keen to get some crowd support in New York and at Wimbledon.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Djokovic is not the most humble player on the circuit. That is rubbish. Humble players don't rip off their shirts and pounce around like silverbacks after victory.

Cilic deserves more credit. I give a (slight) tip of my hat.

Your definition of being humble is weird. Then for me, having a poker face and showing no emotions at all like your favorite is not being humble either.
But that is a whole different story.

 

[West Coast Ace]

Cilic has a similar problem with Djokovic, Eastern Europe background. My opinion is that Americans have bias against these players due to lingering cold war stereotypes,....

Wait, now Europeans think Americans actually know Geography? Can't have it both ways.

Let it go. Again, read the plausible explanations many have give. And I don't remember any disrespect after last years final.

 

[Fedfan34]

Your definition of being humble is weird. Then for me, having a poker face and showing no emotions at all like your favorite is not being humble either.
But that is a whole different story.

I don't remember stating that I found a particular player humble

 

[dante1976]

@OP
Well just imagine that Rafa and Roger for example are coming from Iraq and Afghanistan (cause back then balkans was just like those 2 countries in the eyes of the western world) and there you have it
I know nova days ppl tend to be politically correct about everything but we all know that's just a hypocrisy and nothing else
Btw Serena Williams is another great example
"Hollywoodized and mediazied" world is where we all living now

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

I don't remember stating that I found a particular player humble

All I am saying is that two emotional outbursts that had nothing to do with the opponent do not rate a player as humble/not humble.

 

[timnz]

It is such a shame. If Cilic met Djokovic in the semi's last year, he would have beaten Djokovic in straight sets (we know this because Nishikori playing worse than Cilic and Djokovic easily beat Novak then). However this year Cilic isn't in as great a form as last year.

 

[Fedfan34]

All I am saying is that two emotional outbursts that had nothing to do with the opponent do not rate a player as humble/not humble.

Was Achilles humble when he tied Hector to the back of his chariot and dragged him across the country after he winning their duel?

 

[stoo]

What???? Cilic won? I just got in and had this match recorded and you give me the result already. Jesus Christ was born on Christmas Day!!! Thanks a friggin' lot!

 

[stoo]

Nah, just kidding dude!

 

[VexlanderPrime]

Why comparing me to two Grand Slam winners? Makes no sense.
How long should I wait to post the results? And what kind of a rule is that? Anyway it is not the first time I opened a discussion straight after some match ended. First time I heard of that restriction.

NEVERMIND, OP ADDRESSED THE ISSUE ABOVE, disregard.

It is in fact a rule. It's in place for the many many fans on here that have to watch delayed or recorded matches. TTW will give u a ban if u repeatedly violate the rule. I believe 24ish hours is the time. Until then u are free to post in match results. It's there for a reason.

 

[HipRotation]

They need to make all Cilic and Djokovic match tickets first come, first serve, so we can have crowds like the 2001 Wimbledon final.

 

[NLBwell]

Cilic has a similar problem with Djokovic, Eastern Europe background. My opinion is that Americans have bias against these players due to lingering cold war stereotypes, as well as 90s hot wars, and the modern perception of corruption in these cultures. Especially for non-hardcore fans, the viewers with a limited knowledge of the tour. Novak, with his backstory and engaging personality, has managed to break through this a bit, but still there. Cilic with his doping charge fits into the corrupt/lawless stereotype. Reminds of Lendl, he personified Eastern bloc, and mainstream fans never warmed to him, nor appreciated him for the groundbreaking player he was.

No, Anericans don't think about things that way. Americans are the most open and accepting people on earth. However,they just don't care about anybody foreign one way or the other unless there is some reason to care. Lendl had lots of Americans as fans (and many who saw him as the enemy foil versus their favorite Connors or McEnroe). Safin certainly has a lot of fans for various reasons. Some really liked Mercir's flowing game (I never cared for him). Honestly, many Americans wouldn't know or care whether Cilic came from Europe or South America. They just don't know him as an American or as a famous star, so they really don't care.
Americans are not big on animus, unlike most countries of the world, they just don't care much about such things.
As a tennis fan, I'm rooting for Cilic. If I wasn't a real tennis fan, I wouldn't care and wouldn't care where he was from.

 

[dlk]

What???? Cilic won? I just got in and had this match recorded and you give me the result already. Jesus Christ was born on Christmas Day!!! Thanks a friggin' lot!

You outta know better to get on TTW & expect no intel about an already played match; that's your bad (despite the rules).

 

[Sentinel]

Why comparing me to two Grand Slam winners? Makes no sense.
How long should I wait to post the results? And what kind of a rule is that? Anyway it is not the first time I opened a discussion straight after some match ended. First time I heard of that restriction.

Talk about anything Pro.. Except Match Results!

At the top of this forum: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?forums/general-pro-player-discussion.13/

it says:

Talk about anything Pro.. Except Match Results!

Pro Match Results section:
Place your *Spoiler* threads here! Discuss tournaments, matches, and results. DO NOT enter this forum if you do not want to see match results!

 

[SublimeTennis]

This is getting disgusting. Today I have seen zero respect and admiration for Cilic, who won an epic match vs Tsonga. Despite choking the 4th set and wasting MPs, he still won the match. The atmosphere was like nothing happened. Even if Jo was American this is still weird to say the least.
Some players can literally bleed on court and will receive no credit and admiration. It happened to Djokovic a few times. Winning Slams and being the most humble player on tour is also not enough...
Cilic comes back from that awful doping scandal by reaching two Wimbly quarterfinals, winning USO after trashing Berdych, Federer and Nishi all in straight sets and now being in another semi. Hardly anyone paying attention to him.
Did Cilic and Djokovic do something criminal outside of court to receive hardly any credit for their achievements. In fact, I think they should be applauded more than most of others. Sticking to their own country and their rubbi$h conditions, playing against some of best players, facing adversity, keeping cool heads, and still being looked as sports villains. Of course there is a gap between Nole and Marin, but both are always beating the odds stacked against them and I picked them now because they are the closest players related to me.
On the other side, we have Federer and Nadal, who after winning their 1st round match at a Grand Slam, are tipped to win an 18th Major and getting back to old form respectively.
What's up with all that ? Don't give me the "aura" answer.

It's because Cilic is the ultimate underachiever, no one likes an underachiever, it's just too frustrating to watch them as you never know if a fighter will show up or just someone going through the motions. You mentioned Fed and Nadal, they give 100% in every match, even if they are deep and close to losing.

In regards to Novak, no one likes him because he's A. Boring player B. Arrogant C. Drama queen, he gets a scratch and milks it for all it's worth.

So that's why

 

[BGod]

Djokovic is losing sets to Agut & Lopez. I need to respect that why?

 

[OrangePower]

I don't care where players are from, for me what is important is whether I enjoy watching them play and whether they are charismatic on court.

In the case of Cilic, I really enjoy his game when he is on. Problem is that his form is not that consistent, and also has had periods away from the game for injury and the doping thing, so he kinda falls off the radar sometimes.

In the case of Djokovic, I actually find him quite charismatic and likable, but I don't find his game very exciting. Don't get me wrong he is a great player, just not the kind of game style that I find exciting. Which is a personal thing of course.

BTW one of my favorite players from past generations was Ivanisevic. I really enjoyed both his style of play and his on court temperament

 

[Russeljones]

This is getting disgusting. Today I have seen zero respect and admiration for Cilic, who won an epic match vs Tsonga. Despite choking the 4th set and wasting MPs, he still won the match. The atmosphere was like nothing happened. Even if Jo was American this is still weird to say the least.
Some players can literally bleed on court and will receive no credit and admiration. It happened to Djokovic a few times. Winning Slams and being the most humble player on tour is also not enough...
Cilic comes back from that awful doping scandal by reaching two Wimbly quarterfinals, winning USO after trashing Berdych, Federer and Nishi all in straight sets and now being in another semi. Hardly anyone paying attention to him.
Did Cilic and Djokovic do something criminal outside of court to receive hardly any credit for their achievements. In fact, I think they should be applauded more than most of others. Sticking to their own country and their rubbi$h conditions, playing against some of best players, facing adversity, keeping cool heads, and still being looked as sports villains. Of course there is a gap between Nole and Marin, but both are always beating the odds stacked against them and I picked them now because they are the closest players related to me.
On the other side, we have Federer and Nadal, who after winning their 1st round match at a Grand Slam, are tipped to win an 18th Major and getting back to old form respectively.
What's up with all that ? Don't give me the "aura" answer.

Why are you mentioning Djokovic at all?

 

[dh003i]

People have their favorite players and Federer and then Nadal are just flat-out the most well-liked players on the tour. It is pretty self-explanatory. People want to see them win, and don't cheer other players winning instead.

I respect Djokovic's game and readily concede he's now knocking at the door to be a tier-1 all time great (1 more Major, imo). I also think he has become a more likable player. However, I dislike his game and I dislike that that kind of game is favored by the playing conditions.

I suspect that after Federer eventually retires and Djokovic is in his mid 30s with 13 or 14 Majors, trying everything he can to get that one last Major, I'll root for him to break through.

Also, many of Djokovic's own fans make him less well-liked because of their disrespectful talk of how the game has "evolved" to a "new level" since Djokovic's rise.

 

[joekapa]

- ESPN trying to curtail the interview with Cilic, so he can be cleared out of the court for the Williams Sisters match.

- No one is talking about the match for the last 1 hour.

- I would not mind Cilic vs Anderson final and screwing viewership for the second year running

I would LOVE a Cilic vs Anderson final. Even though I want Djokovic to win his 10th slam (to shut people's mouths once and for all).

 

[joekapa]

Also, many of Djokovic's own fans make him less well-liked because of their disrespectful talk of how the game has "evolved" to a "new level" since Djokovic's rise.

You doubt this ? The game changers were Djokovic, Nadal, AND Murray. I have been saying this since 2011.

 

[dh003i]

You doubt this ? The game changers were Djokovic, Nadal, AND Murray. I have been saying this since 2011.

No, the game has not "evolved", Djokovic, Nadal, and Murray haven't elevated the game to some "new level". That is ridiculous. All they did is work on their weaknesses and (for Djokovic) become more resilient and consistent.

This is the kind of disrespectful punkish talk that makes people dislike Djokovic and his fans. (really, the talk of the game "evolving" and "moving on" started with Djokovic's stellar 2011 season).

What happened is Djokovic improved himself as a player to consistently be able to win Majors on a yearly basis, just as Federer improved himself to reach the level he reached starting mid-2003.

 

[Noelan]

^ It seems that the forum mods have not been on top of this lately.

So you ripped new poster , and keep bickering about that some posters want to watch recorded matches. Of all ridiculousness here you found what you're going to complain Really?

 

[dh003i]

I do not doubt that Djokovic raised his level in 2011, and now also in 2015. However, those are the only multi-slam years he's had yet. He hasn't consistently won 2 or 3 Majors a year, and that's why he isn't as good as Federer was.

Even now, on fast courts, the way the game used to be played and in conditions that most fans prefer, Federer is the better player at 34.

 

[joekapa]

I do not doubt that Djokovic raised his level in 2011, and now also in 2015. However, those are the only multi-slam years he's had yet. He hasn't consistently won 2 or 3 Majors a year, and that's why he isn't as good as Federer was.

Even now, on fast courts, the way the game used to be played and in conditions that most fans prefer, Federer is the better player at 34.

Spare us sunshine. When did Federer have his last multi slam year ?

 

[joekapa]

No, the game has not "evolved", Djokovic, Nadal, and Murray haven't elevated the game to some "new level". That is ridiculous. All they did is work on their weaknesses and (for Djokovic) become more resilient and consistent.

This is the kind of disrespectful punkish talk that makes people dislike Djokovic and his fans. (really, the talk of the game "evolving" and "moving on" started with Djokovic's stellar 2011 season).

What happened is Djokovic improved himself as a player to consistently be able to win Majors on a yearly basis, just as Federer improved himself to reach the level he reached starting mid-2003.

I am not talking about Djokovic only sunshine. I am talking about the trio Murray, Nadal AND Djokovic. They changed the game to a more counter punching, fast, winners from incredible positions. They more or less made it like boxing.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

I am not talking about Djokovic only sunshine. I am talking about the trio Murray, Nadal AND Djokovic. They changed the game to a more counter punching, fast, winners from incredible positions. They more or less made it like boxing.

Andy Murray has changed the game about as much as Lleyton Hewitt did.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

And tennis? Like boxing?

You think tennis players didn't have fast reflexes back in the 60s or 70s even? If you don't, you're a fool. That has always been the case. You can't S&V with crappy reflexes.