An assessment of the Wimbledon final and where Alcaraz actually stands

ForehandCross

G.O.A.T.
I hadn't got much time to write since the final but taking out to pour my thoughts. TTW being TTW has talked about almost every thing except actually analyzing couple of key aspects of the match

Djokovic and high balls as rhythm breaker :
Ages ago, Djokovic had a frustrating and an almost funny match with Monfils at USO(USO 2016?). Gael after going 2-0 down decided to feed him random high bouncing no pace balls and it really messed with Djokovic for a long stretch of the match drawing errors on what balls that you would expect Djokovic to hit winners on.

Now, coming to this year's RG Final. Ruud judiciously used high bouncing less attackable heavy balls to draw errors and make Djokovic uncomfortable from the get go. He ended up winning the first.

Cut to midway through the WB F. The match was tied at 1-1 and Alcaraz starts to mix this strategy in his strategy to absolute perfection. It is amped up by his FH and it really hinders Djokovic's comfort level in the rallies and somewhere contributes to multiple errors swinging the match his way, Djokovic's legs didn't have the spring to deal with it after 3-4 heavy blows before them. A very very underrated aspect, a huge credit to Ferrero for learning it and knowing the extent to which it should be used.

Alcaraz and not giving Djokovic space on returns
One
thing I noticed was hoe Alcaraz chose to keep it central on service at times when he is usually better off angles. There were not exactly bucket load of body serves but it felt he was ensuring that Djokovic doesn't get a lot of room to work with. Djokovic stretched has a tendency of hitting bigger returns. Alcaraz tried not to give too many angles for Djokovic to work with on return.

Alcaraz and Blocked/get a racquet on it Returns :
One key theme I noticed was Alcaraz's decision to strike the right balance between going big for the return and getting the balls in. He didn't try to do it big. One big conundrum on grass is, given the advantage to server, do you try to get a big return in on a serve in your strike zone or do you just try to get the ball back and hope the server doesn't take full control on first strike?

What Alcaraz did was to get most of Djokovic's serve back post 1st set. He didn't try to go for extra ordinary returns,his main thought process was reminiscent of Nadal : get the ball back, be ready to run like hell to get the rally to neutrality and then he will see.

Alcaraz's strategy seemed to get the racquet on the ball and get the serve back.

But he excelled beyond regularity here too : once he got the read of Djokovic serve around 3rd set, even though these returns weren't toe touching like Novak's, they started to be returned with interest.

Novak's main issue after 1st set was playing lots of rallies on his serve courtesy little free points. While one can point at his 1st serve percentage, his first serve points won never even touched Alcaraz's after 1st set, despite having the much better first serve.

Which brings me to :

Alcaraz's advantage over Novak on ground :

Stats have Alcaraz ahead on points won by rally length. But I firmly believe they do not do justice. Where Alcaraz is really hurting Novak is from ground. If that was visible in RG , I think that was even more important in WB F. What is truly hurting Djokovic in this match up is, that he doesn't get control initially easily it has to come off a good serve or a risky big hit and even if he does do it, Alcaraz's speed resets it.

That might sound like trademark Nadal special, but there's a subtlety to it : Nadal after reseting the rally mostly try to wrench control away, with Alcaraz, the aggression factor is higher. Djokovic doesn't get to press back the advantage for next 3 shots.


And Alcaraz's aggression is well developed too, he has the tools and he took s leaflet out of Stan's approach against Novak. In many rallies he was hitting consistent Heavy balls but not going for too much. Well within margins.

For Djokovic, it's stupendously problematic to deal with defense, flashes of randomness and controlled aggression.

Despite all of this ,

Novak is not only very much in the rivalry, he can beat Carlos much more than what People are suggesting here .

Key point people are forgetting is serve return complex. Carlos' serve was rock solid but again, it seemed Djokovic hadn't adapted to it. Moreover it was grass.

What people are missing out on is, Carlos's serve is decently attackable. Others hae done so Djokovic will have his team decipher it's patterns.

Alcaraz's serving points won numbers were pretty high for this match. He won't serve everyday like that day. 1st serve won percentage won't remain going into non grass surface.

Djokovic's serve, his return and his mind set can always pick up on a HC.


--becoming too long will write another.
 

urban

Legend
One could look at the geometry of Djokovics game. He is a rhythm player, and uses to conterpunch and play his shots with a certain safety margin, into a box of say one meter inside the sidelines, and a meter or at least half a meter inside the baseline. He doesn't hit the lines nor is he searching for extreme angles. Alcaraz is much more moving in with his shots on grass, going more for horizontal angles, and more for the corners on the return. And he tries to avoid rhythm, and in the last set indeed gave Djoker a lot of high looping, quite slow, neutral forehands, to which Djoker could not find an answer. Djoker likes to counterpuch, not to make pace with his own shots. He was more aggressive in the 4th set (in a diagram shown on ty, he moved his position forward to a place half a meter inside the baseline). But this more aggressive appoach is not his natural game, he loses a bit of control, and disturbs his own rhythm.
 

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
Good post! The summation is that the game plan worked to perfection, which it won’t always do, and that’s true, but this was a hell of a place to pull it off. The three things you started out mentioning are not secrets, they’ve been used to strong effect by many guys against Novak over the years, the key for Alcaraz was being able to switch things up when the patterns were no longer working or just to keep from being predictable.

You’re right that his serve is attackable, but he worked around that in Madrid last year by using that kicker to perfection, and he gotten around it again here. You would think eventually Novak is going to have a day where he figures it out, but so far so good.
 
I hadn't got much time to write since the final but taking out to pour my thoughts. TTW being TTW has talked about almost every thing except actually analyzing couple of key aspects of the match

Djokovic and high balls as rhythm breaker :
Ages ago, Djokovic had a frustrating and an almost funny match with Monfils at USO(USO 2016?). Gael after going 2-0 down decided to feed him random high bouncing no pace balls and it really messed with Djokovic for a long stretch of the match drawing errors on what balls that you would expect Djokovic to hit winners on.

Now, coming to this year's RG Final. Ruud judiciously used high bouncing less attackable heavy balls to draw errors and make Djokovic uncomfortable from the get go. He ended up winning the first.

Cut to midway through the WB F. The match was tied at 1-1 and Alcaraz starts to mix this strategy in his strategy to absolute perfection. It is amped up by his FH and it really hinders Djokovic's comfort level in the rallies and somewhere contributes to multiple errors swinging the match his way, Djokovic's legs didn't have the spring to deal with it after 3-4 heavy blows before them. A very very underrated aspect, a huge credit to Ferrero for learning it and knowing the extent to which it should be used.

Alcaraz and not giving Djokovic space on returns
One
thing I noticed was hoe Alcaraz chose to keep it central on service at times when he is usually better off angles. There were not exactly bucket load of body serves but it felt he was ensuring that Djokovic doesn't get a lot of room to work with. Djokovic stretched has a tendency of hitting bigger returns. Alcaraz tried not to give too many angles for Djokovic to work with on return.

Alcaraz and Blocked/get a racquet on it Returns :
One key theme I noticed was Alcaraz's decision to strike the right balance between going big for the return and getting the balls in. He didn't try to do it big. One big conundrum on grass is, given the advantage to server, do you try to get a big return in on a serve in your strike zone or do you just try to get the ball back and hope the server doesn't take full control on first strike?

What Alcaraz did was to get most of Djokovic's serve back post 1st set. He didn't try to go for extra ordinary returns,his main thought process was reminiscent of Nadal : get the ball back, be ready to run like hell to get the rally to neutrality and then he will see.

Alcaraz's strategy seemed to get the racquet on the ball and get the serve back.

But he excelled beyond regularity here too : once he got the read of Djokovic serve around 3rd set, even though these returns weren't toe touching like Novak's, they started to be returned with interest.

Novak's main issue after 1st set was playing lots of rallies on his serve courtesy little free points. While one can point at his 1st serve percentage, his first serve points won never even touched Alcaraz's after 1st set, despite having the much better first serve.

Which brings me to :

Alcaraz's advantage over Novak on ground :

Stats have Alcaraz ahead on points won by rally length. But I firmly believe they do not do justice. Where Alcaraz is really hurting Novak is from ground. If that was visible in RG , I think that was even more important in WB F. What is truly hurting Djokovic in this match up is, that he doesn't get control initially easily it has to come off a good serve or a risky big hit and even if he does do it, Alcaraz's speed resets it.

That might sound like trademark Nadal special, but there's a subtlety to it : Nadal after reseting the rally mostly try to wrench control away, with Alcaraz, the aggression factor is higher. Djokovic doesn't get to press back the advantage for next 3 shots.


And Alcaraz's aggression is well developed too, he has the tools and he took s leaflet out of Stan's approach against Novak. In many rallies he was hitting consistent Heavy balls but not going for too much. Well within margins.

For Djokovic, it's stupendously problematic to deal with defense, flashes of randomness and controlled aggression.

Despite all of this ,

Novak is not only very much in the rivalry, he can beat Carlos much more than what People are suggesting here .

Key point people are forgetting is serve return complex. Carlos' serve was rock solid but again, it seemed Djokovic hadn't adapted to it. Moreover it was grass.

What people are missing out on is, Carlos's serve is decently attackable. Others hae done so Djokovic will have his team decipher it's patterns.

Alcaraz's serving points won numbers were pretty high for this match. He won't serve everyday like that day. 1st serve won percentage won't remain going into non grass surface.

Djokovic's serve, his return and his mind set can always pick up on a HC.


--becoming too long will write another.
I read a lot of this and then went "who is this, this is a great post"
 

Federev

Legend
I hadn't got much time to write since the final but taking out to pour my thoughts. TTW being TTW has talked about almost every thing except actually analyzing couple of key aspects of the match

Djokovic and high balls as rhythm breaker :
Ages ago, Djokovic had a frustrating and an almost funny match with Monfils at USO(USO 2016?). Gael after going 2-0 down decided to feed him random high bouncing no pace balls and it really messed with Djokovic for a long stretch of the match drawing errors on what balls that you would expect Djokovic to hit winners on.

Now, coming to this year's RG Final. Ruud judiciously used high bouncing less attackable heavy balls to draw errors and make Djokovic uncomfortable from the get go. He ended up winning the first.

Cut to midway through the WB F. The match was tied at 1-1 and Alcaraz starts to mix this strategy in his strategy to absolute perfection. It is amped up by his FH and it really hinders Djokovic's comfort level in the rallies and somewhere contributes to multiple errors swinging the match his way, Djokovic's legs didn't have the spring to deal with it after 3-4 heavy blows before them. A very very underrated aspect, a huge credit to Ferrero for learning it and knowing the extent to which it should be used.

Alcaraz and not giving Djokovic space on returns
One
thing I noticed was hoe Alcaraz chose to keep it central on service at times when he is usually better off angles. There were not exactly bucket load of body serves but it felt he was ensuring that Djokovic doesn't get a lot of room to work with. Djokovic stretched has a tendency of hitting bigger returns. Alcaraz tried not to give too many angles for Djokovic to work with on return.

Alcaraz and Blocked/get a racquet on it Returns :
One key theme I noticed was Alcaraz's decision to strike the right balance between going big for the return and getting the balls in. He didn't try to do it big. One big conundrum on grass is, given the advantage to server, do you try to get a big return in on a serve in your strike zone or do you just try to get the ball back and hope the server doesn't take full control on first strike?

What Alcaraz did was to get most of Djokovic's serve back post 1st set. He didn't try to go for extra ordinary returns,his main thought process was reminiscent of Nadal : get the ball back, be ready to run like hell to get the rally to neutrality and then he will see.

Alcaraz's strategy seemed to get the racquet on the ball and get the serve back.

But he excelled beyond regularity here too : once he got the read of Djokovic serve around 3rd set, even though these returns weren't toe touching like Novak's, they started to be returned with interest.

Novak's main issue after 1st set was playing lots of rallies on his serve courtesy little free points. While one can point at his 1st serve percentage, his first serve points won never even touched Alcaraz's after 1st set, despite having the much better first serve.

Which brings me to :

Alcaraz's advantage over Novak on ground :

Stats have Alcaraz ahead on points won by rally length. But I firmly believe they do not do justice. Where Alcaraz is really hurting Novak is from ground. If that was visible in RG , I think that was even more important in WB F. What is truly hurting Djokovic in this match up is, that he doesn't get control initially easily it has to come off a good serve or a risky big hit and even if he does do it, Alcaraz's speed resets it.

That might sound like trademark Nadal special, but there's a subtlety to it : Nadal after reseting the rally mostly try to wrench control away, with Alcaraz, the aggression factor is higher. Djokovic doesn't get to press back the advantage for next 3 shots.


And Alcaraz's aggression is well developed too, he has the tools and he took s leaflet out of Stan's approach against Novak. In many rallies he was hitting consistent Heavy balls but not going for too much. Well within margins.

For Djokovic, it's stupendously problematic to deal with defense, flashes of randomness and controlled aggression.

Despite all of this ,

Novak is not only very much in the rivalry, he can beat Carlos much more than what People are suggesting here .

Key point people are forgetting is serve return complex. Carlos' serve was rock solid but again, it seemed Djokovic hadn't adapted to it. Moreover it was grass.

What people are missing out on is, Carlos's serve is decently attackable. Others hae done so Djokovic will have his team decipher it's patterns.

Alcaraz's serving points won numbers were pretty high for this match. He won't serve everyday like that day. 1st serve won percentage won't remain going into non grass surface.

Djokovic's serve, his return and his mind set can always pick up on a HC.


--becoming too long will write another.
Great analytics.

(Ruud lost in straights though.)
 

Torben

Semi-Pro
What is truly hurting Djokovic in this match up is, that he doesn't get control initially easily it has to come off a good serve or a risky big hit and even if he does do it, Alcaraz's speed resets it.
You bring up an interesting point.

I thought many of Djokovic’s errors were due to him been forced to have to go more for his shots. It caused all sorts of difficulties in that he was constantly hitting shots both wide and long. These were not errors caused by him being off his game but by Alcaraz forcing him to go for more to win points.

No one likes being taken out of their comfort zone.
 

nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
You bring up an interesting point.

I thought many of Djokovic’s errors were due to him been forced to have to go more for his shots. It caused all sorts of difficulties in that he was constantly hitting shots both wide and long. These were not errors caused by him being off his game but by Alcaraz forcing him to go for more to win points.

No one likes being taken out of their comfort zone.
Ofcourse Nole was out of his comfort zone but he didn't overhit. He had to take offense early is all. I think he would have less errors than alcaraz and even on second serves he won more pts than alcaraz. That means he is still hanging with Alcaraz.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Ofcourse Nole was out of his comfort zone but he didn't overhit. He had to take offense early is all. I think he would have less errors than alcaraz and even on second serves he won more pts than alcaraz. That means he is still hanging with Alcaraz.
Novak, a 7 time Wimbledon Champion, is hanging with a 20 year old who had only ever played 3 grass events his whole life before Wimbledon.:-D
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
You bring up an interesting point.

I thought many of Djokovic’s errors were due to him been forced to have to go more for his shots. It caused all sorts of difficulties in that he was constantly hitting shots both wide and long. These were not errors caused by him being off his game but by Alcaraz forcing him to go for more to win points.

No one likes being taken out of their comfort zone.
It wasn't a surprise. Novak looked so tense and nervous out there. Something he very rarely showed against anyone else. Alcaraz's energy and game made Novak nervous.
 

Torben

Semi-Pro
It wasn't a surprise. Novak looked so tense and nervous out there. Something he very rarely showed against anyone else. Alcaraz's energy and game made Novak nervous.
Yes very true.

He looked like he had no idea on how to get the upper hand in rallies and his body language reflected that. He was being forced to play bigger than he is accustomed to due to Alcaraz. He looked a little lost to me and that is something we have rarely seen with him.

He was outplayed, out worked and had no answers when it mattered most and that was clearly due to Alcaraz.
 

Torben

Semi-Pro
Ofcourse Nole was out of his comfort zone but he didn't overhit. He had to take offense early is all. I think he would have less errors than alcaraz and even on second serves he won more pts than alcaraz. That means he is still hanging with Alcaraz.
This will be difficult explaining to a Djokovic fan and I’m certainly not going to indulge in a 10-20 post marathon to convince you.

You have your beliefs on the match and other people will have theirs.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
My fav part was him running him from pillar to post with POWER. You have to stretch Novak out and KEEP it going to beat him. Most players can't come anywhere close to sustaining the precision and power Alcaraz has to dictate where Novak is on court, and then be able to throw droppers in also to keep him even more off balance. This is the first non-Nadal match in so long that I can't stop watching highlights of, it was beautiful lol
 

Torben

Semi-Pro
My fav part was him running him from pillar to post with POWER. You have to stretch Novak out and KEEP it going to beat him. Most players can't come anywhere close to sustaining the precision and power Alcaraz has to dictate where Novak is on court, and then be able to throw droppers in also to keep him even more off balance. This is the first non-Nadal match in so long that I can't stop watching highlights of, it was beautiful lol
Alcaraz used the drop shot as a weapon whereas many use it to try to end points sooner.

It was beautiful would be a great signature.
 
My fav part was him running him from pillar to post with POWER. You have to stretch Novak out and KEEP it going to beat him. Most players can't come anywhere close to sustaining the precision and power Alcaraz has to dictate where Novak is on court, and then be able to throw droppers in also to keep him even more off balance. This is the first non-Nadal match in so long that I can't stop watching highlights of, it was beautiful lol
The most memorable part to me was a service game of alcaraz later in the match I think he was even against the wind cause I could've sworn what the commentators were saying was now he has the advantage this game cause he has the wind (after they switch sides) where he served HUGE and clutch... if he was against the wind I don't know how its possible to get that much power
 
Yes very true.

He looked like he had no idea on how to get the upper hand in rallies and his body language reflected that. He was being forced to play bigger than he is accustomed to due to Alcaraz. He looked a little lost to me and that is something we have rarely seen with him.

He was outplayed, out worked and had no answers when it mattered most and that was clearly due to Alcaraz.
At the same time the match was still very tight and close with a few key Djokovic errors messing him up and this was best possible scenario for Alcaraz with windy open roof conditions. So actually very promising for Djokovic that he's not getting surpassed already imo
 
I thought the big difference this time compared to the FO was that Djokovic's legs went first (somewhere in the third set).

Alcaraz cruised to a 6-1 win in the 3rd but then started playing passively at the same time that Djokovic upped the aggression to shorten points, which allowed Djoker to win the 4th. Alcaraz did a lot of running in the 4th and I wasn't sure if this would make him tired and even up the physical side.

Then Alcaraz upped the aggression again in the 5th and also mixed in drop shots which Djoker could no longer run down like he did at the beginning of the match.
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
It wasn't a surprise. Novak looked so tense and nervous out there. Something he very rarely showed against anyone else. Alcaraz's energy and game made Novak nervous.
The Serbian player's losses against the world number 1 will add up quickly.
:D
 

dadadas

Semi-Pro
The gap of experience on grass court between Novak & Alcaraz.

The kid simply beat the BOAT due to raw talent.
 

Start da Game

Hall of Fame
there is no rivalry anymore......alcaraz has got him mentally so much so that djoko's father is unable to take it and wants his son to retire......people don't believe this is mental when i say so, i have seen it happening to fed before, seen it happening to rafa, seeing it happening to novak now......this is what happens when a young gun not only unloads his potential but actually shuts down all the hope of his opponent without even any fear, despite knowing that the opponent is one among the greatest......that is very difficult to swallow when you are not in your prime......at least in prime you would have the capacity to turn it around, like nadal 2013 and 2014......

only place where novak might still have some hope is in melbourne, we will find that out in a few months......but for now i will be shocked if he beats alcaraz at the us open.......all this talk of no pressure on novak at us open is actually putting pressure on him.......you are the one that's being hunted, you know what's chasing you and you cannot runaway......
 

RG GOD

Semi-Pro
Djokovic 130+ matches on grass and 7 WB won
Alcaraz 18 matches on grass and 3 WB played

In HC and clay Carlos's superiority will be even bigger.
 
there is no rivalry anymore......alcaraz has got him mentally so much so that djoko's father is unable to take it and wants his son to retire......people don't believe this is mental when i say so, i have seen it happening to fed before, seen it happening to rafa, seeing it happening to novak now......this is what happens when a young gun not only unloads his potential but actually shuts down all the hope of his opponent without even any fear, despite knowing that the opponent is one among the greatest......that is very difficult to swallow when you are not in your prime......at least in prime you would have the capacity to turn it around, like nadal 2013 and 2014......

only place where novak might still have some hope is in melbourne, we will find that out in a few months......but for now i will be shocked if he beats alcaraz at the us open.......all this talk of no pressure on novak at us open is actually putting pressure on him.......you are the one that's being hunted, you know what's chasing you and you cannot runaway......
Now Djokovic knows how it feels to be on the wrong age side of a rivalry like Federer always 6 years older than him in the 2010-2020 decade when Federer starting to age in his thirties
 
there is no rivalry anymore......alcaraz has got him mentally so much so that djoko's father is unable to take it and wants his son to retire......people don't believe this is mental when i say so, i have seen it happening to fed before, seen it happening to rafa, seeing it happening to novak now......this is what happens when a young gun not only unloads his potential but actually shuts down all the hope of his opponent without even any fear, despite knowing that the opponent is one among the greatest......that is very difficult to swallow when you are not in your prime......at least in prime you would have the capacity to turn it around, like nadal 2013 and 2014......

only place where novak might still have some hope is in melbourne, we will find that out in a few months......but for now i will be shocked if he beats alcaraz at the us open.......all this talk of no pressure on novak at us open is actually putting pressure on him.......you are the one that's being hunted, you know what's chasing you and you cannot runaway......
I mean it was best case scenario open roof wind for Alcaraz thats what you want to disrupt Djokovic and it was still a tight 5 setter that could've gone either way (Djokovic should've won 2nd set tiebreak but dumped sloppy shots into net twice in a row etc. etc. etc.) so I don't see this as Alcaraz taking over at all... And at AO I'd favor Djokovic anyday that slam is absolutely perfect for him
 

RG GOD

Semi-Pro
I mean it was best case scenario open roof wind for Alcaraz thats what you want to disrupt Djokovic and it was still a tight 5 setter that could've gone either way (Djokovic should've won 2nd set tiebreak but dumped sloppy shots into net twice in a row etc. etc. etc.) so I don't see this as Alcaraz taking over at all... And at AO I'd favor Djokovic anyday that slam is absolutely perfect for him

Carlos destroyed Medvedev with the roof on.
Actually i think he would have won easily in the final.
 

Start da Game

Hall of Fame
Now Djokovic knows how it feels to be on the wrong age side of a rivalry like Federer always 6 years older than him in the 2010-2020 decade when Federer starting to age in his thirties

fed, nadal and djoko belong to the same generation as per the physical standards of this era......fed had no problems with peak murray who is the same age as djoko, while he got defeated badly at the hands of djokovic in multiple slam finals......so it's not about age here, it's about tough competition......5 years is not that big a gap in today's times......16 years is......djokovic just like fed, enjoyed vulturing wimbledon titles in a field of rabbits......once a real animal showed up (2008 and 2023), that is when the story of vulturing ended......
 
there is no rivalry anymore......alcaraz has got him mentally so much so that djoko's father is unable to take it and wants his son to retire......people don't believe this is mental when i say so, i have seen it happening to fed before, seen it happening to rafa, seeing it happening to novak now......this is what happens when a young gun not only unloads his potential but actually shuts down all the hope of his opponent without even any fear, despite knowing that the opponent is one among the greatest......that is very difficult to swallow when you are not in your prime......at least in prime you would have the capacity to turn it around, like nadal 2013 and 2014......

only place where novak might still have some hope is in melbourne, we will find that out in a few months......but for now i will be shocked if he beats alcaraz at the us open.......all this talk of no pressure on novak at us open is actually putting pressure on him.......you are the one that's being hunted, you know what's chasing you and you cannot runaway......
Djokovic has zero pressure on him. He’s won everything. It’s Alcaraz who has all the pressure. He needs to prove he belongs in the same category as big 3. Djokovic legacy is secure and anything else is just an added bonus now.
 
Alcaraz pressure?
He's 20, he have almost 15 years ahead of him to keep winning.
I’d rather have the titles on the board than having it all to do. Yes he’s 20 but not everyone keeps winning for years to come.

There is no guarantee he’s going to dominate as long as the big 3 did. He could flame out very quickly. No one knows as the future is uncertain.

Only a month or so ago a lot were calling him a mug losing to Djokovic at the French and the cramps, etc.

I can guarantee unless he wins the us open that talk will all start again.

We shouldn’t go to either extreme. Let’s just see what happens but just because he won Wimbledon beating Novak in 5 sets doesn’t guarantee him 24 slams. It’s a long long way away.

I hope Alcaraz isn’t thinking like you guys. He needs to focus on what he’s doing well and block that unnecessary hype out as it’s just a hindrance.
 

aldeayeah

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic doesn't hit the lines nor is he searching for extreme angles.
Not sure about that, his angled FH was his best baseline shot. He usually hits it as a counterattack in the FH-to-FH rallies though.

In fact, another adjustment Carlos made on-the-fly was not feeding Djokovic angled pace unless it was a winner attempt.

This is very different to Carlos usual baselining style, and shows high respect for Novak's counterpunching abilities.
 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
I hadn't got much time to write since the final but taking out to pour my thoughts. TTW being TTW has talked about almost every thing except actually analyzing couple of key aspects of the match

Djokovic and high balls as rhythm breaker :
Ages ago, Djokovic had a frustrating and an almost funny match with Monfils at USO(USO 2016?). Gael after going 2-0 down decided to feed him random high bouncing no pace balls and it really messed with Djokovic for a long stretch of the match drawing errors on what balls that you would expect Djokovic to hit winners on.

Now, coming to this year's RG Final. Ruud judiciously used high bouncing less attackable heavy balls to draw errors and make Djokovic uncomfortable from the get go. He ended up winning the first.

Cut to midway through the WB F. The match was tied at 1-1 and Alcaraz starts to mix this strategy in his strategy to absolute perfection. It is amped up by his FH and it really hinders Djokovic's comfort level in the rallies and somewhere contributes to multiple errors swinging the match his way, Djokovic's legs didn't have the spring to deal with it after 3-4 heavy blows before them. A very very underrated aspect, a huge credit to Ferrero for learning it and knowing the extent to which it should be used.

Alcaraz and not giving Djokovic space on returns
One
thing I noticed was hoe Alcaraz chose to keep it central on service at times when he is usually better off angles. There were not exactly bucket load of body serves but it felt he was ensuring that Djokovic doesn't get a lot of room to work with. Djokovic stretched has a tendency of hitting bigger returns. Alcaraz tried not to give too many angles for Djokovic to work with on return.

Alcaraz and Blocked/get a racquet on it Returns :
One key theme I noticed was Alcaraz's decision to strike the right balance between going big for the return and getting the balls in. He didn't try to do it big. One big conundrum on grass is, given the advantage to server, do you try to get a big return in on a serve in your strike zone or do you just try to get the ball back and hope the server doesn't take full control on first strike?

What Alcaraz did was to get most of Djokovic's serve back post 1st set. He didn't try to go for extra ordinary returns,his main thought process was reminiscent of Nadal : get the ball back, be ready to run like hell to get the rally to neutrality and then he will see.

Alcaraz's strategy seemed to get the racquet on the ball and get the serve back.

But he excelled beyond regularity here too : once he got the read of Djokovic serve around 3rd set, even though these returns weren't toe touching like Novak's, they started to be returned with interest.

Novak's main issue after 1st set was playing lots of rallies on his serve courtesy little free points. While one can point at his 1st serve percentage, his first serve points won never even touched Alcaraz's after 1st set, despite having the much better first serve.

Which brings me to :

Alcaraz's advantage over Novak on ground :

Stats have Alcaraz ahead on points won by rally length. But I firmly believe they do not do justice. Where Alcaraz is really hurting Novak is from ground. If that was visible in RG , I think that was even more important in WB F. What is truly hurting Djokovic in this match up is, that he doesn't get control initially easily it has to come off a good serve or a risky big hit and even if he does do it, Alcaraz's speed resets it.

That might sound like trademark Nadal special, but there's a subtlety to it : Nadal after reseting the rally mostly try to wrench control away, with Alcaraz, the aggression factor is higher. Djokovic doesn't get to press back the advantage for next 3 shots.


And Alcaraz's aggression is well developed too, he has the tools and he took s leaflet out of Stan's approach against Novak. In many rallies he was hitting consistent Heavy balls but not going for too much. Well within margins.

For Djokovic, it's stupendously problematic to deal with defense, flashes of randomness and controlled aggression.

Despite all of this ,

Novak is not only very much in the rivalry, he can beat Carlos much more than what People are suggesting here .

Key point people are forgetting is serve return complex. Carlos' serve was rock solid but again, it seemed Djokovic hadn't adapted to it. Moreover it was grass.

What people are missing out on is, Carlos's serve is decently attackable. Others hae done so Djokovic will have his team decipher it's patterns.

Alcaraz's serving points won numbers were pretty high for this match. He won't serve everyday like that day. 1st serve won percentage won't remain going into non grass surface.

Djokovic's serve, his return and his mind set can always pick up on a HC.


--becoming too long will write another.
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Alcaraz is not thinking of win 20+ GS, he go match to match.
The serbian won his 2º GS with 23 years and nº1 with 24 years. Alcaraz has the age advantage.
Nadal, Becker, federer and few others started winning multiple slams at a younger age than Djokovic. They all have less slams.

There is no guarantee that just because Alcaraz is winning early he’s going to dominate in his mid to late 20s and the 30s like Djokovic did. It’s a future prediction with a lot of uncertainty.
 

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Djokovic has zero pressure on him. He’s won everything. It’s Alcaraz who has all the pressure. He needs to prove he belongs in the same category as big 3. Djokovic legacy is secure and anything else is just an added bonus now.

the patterns are there to see......he was defeated at roland garros as well before winning, not just at wimbledon......i think he is figured out, we will see......
 
the patterns are there to see......he was defeated at roland garros as well before winning, not just at wimbledon......i think he is figured out, we will see......
Maybe but he has nearly all the records anyway. If Alcaraz wants to be in the same conversation or be better then he needs to win as much as he did.

Alcaraz can dominate the h2h but if he doesn’t win as much then he won’t be seen as greater. It’s what Alcaraz does over the course of his career that’s more important and against the field not just Djokovic matches.
 

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
Maybe but he has nearly all the records anyway. If Alcaraz wants to be in the same conversation or be better then he needs to win as much as he did.

Alcaraz can dominate the h2h but if he doesn’t win as much then he won’t be seen as greater. It’s what Alcaraz does over the course of his career that’s more important and against the field not just Djokovic matches.

Why are you mentioning if Alcaraz is greater? Give the kid a chance to actually play his career before you start mentioning stupid stuff like this.
 
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