Anna Kournikova

dpca

Rookie
Hi all!

I am interested, apart from the looks, about Anna. I cannot remember seeing her winning any grand slam nor important tournament (I just can´t remember) so why has Anna always been taken as one of the best WTA players ever?

Any links to information will be much appreciated.

Regards!
 

BlueB

Legend
Because of this:
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She won few doubles slams, though.
 

Rattler

Hall of Fame
She did take out Graf on grass...at a warm up event before Wimbley.

And she also made the Semi's of Wimbley once
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Anna Kournikova was a good doubles player, winning 16 titles in all which included 2 majors. And despite her lack of a singles title, I do think she was underrated by those kept branding her a "failure" as a tennis player. She suffered from service yips trouble at times.
 

goober

Legend
Hi all!

I am interested, apart from the looks, about Anna. I cannot remember seeing her winning any grand slam nor important tournament (I just can´t remember) so why has Anna always been taken as one of the best WTA players ever?

Any links to information will be much appreciated.

Regards!

Exactly who has called her one of the best WTA players ever? You are the first person I have seen make this claim.

She definitely was a legitimate player- ranked #1 in doubles with 2 slams and 16 titles and #8 in singles with slam SF. Considering her career ended at age 21 dues to injury, I am sure if she stayed healthy she would have done a lot more if she played another 10 years. But yes she is mostly known for her looks, but I haven't heard anyone claim that she was one of the best.
 

kiki

Banned
Exactly who has called her one of the best WTA players ever? You are the first person I have seen make this claim.

She definitely was a legitimate player- ranked #1 in doubles with 2 slams and 16 titles and #8 in singles with slam SF. Considering her career ended at age 21 dues to injury, I am sure if she stayed healthy she would have done a lot more if she played another 10 years. But yes she is mostly known for her looks, but I haven't heard anyone claim that she was one of the best.

From the tennis POV, I trace a big paralelism with Andrea Jaeger.Anna had that talent, with amazing FH returns, a great BH and great touch at the net or at the drop shot.One of the very last good volleyers on the WTA - and ATP tour- and what a truly great drop shot.She even did that on returns of serve.

Like Andrea, she was a bad head case although for different reasons.Both had a slam in their racket but lacked that extra bit that, for instance, Gabriela Sabatini had.

I also think her serve was too prompt to mistakes, not a good serve for such a higly ranked player and the blame goes on a really bad toss.

Her doubs team with Martina was just wonderful, not just for the reasons one may think, but because of their mutual understanding and great touch plots.

and yeah, she was by far the hottest thing that has ever appeared on a tennis court that I can remember of.
 
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Mike Bulgakov

G.O.A.T.
Anna was a great athlete and very good tennis player. I saw her play in person many times, and was struck by how well she moved.

She had a classic Russian game for that time. Her strokes were very smooth, and she had a great all-court game. She glided around the court.

Her game was best built for traditional grass. Unfortunately, injuries and nerves on her serve got the better of her. She will probably be better remembered for her off-court endeavors.
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CEvertFan

Hall of Fame
Besides her looks and her service woes the thing I most remember about her was her penchant for going for the flashiest, most difficult shot and all too often in singles she just couldn't pull it off consistently enough. She definitely had the talent and the game but just needed to pull back a bit sometimes and use her head which she seldom did.
 

kiki

Banned
The contrast of Anna&Martina vs the two Sisters was really appealing whenever they played some memorable doubles matches.It couldn´t be more marketeable from the beauty POV and the styles contrast.Most probably, the two last great doubles teams in the WTA ranks.aAnd it´s been almost 15 yrs ago...
 

jaggy

Talk Tennis Guru
I think she had a cute face as a teen that did not develop into anything beautiful. Hot athletic figure but so have many on the tour. Marketing genius behind her.
 

SoBad

G.O.A.T.
I think she had a cute face as a teen that did not develop into anything beautiful. Hot athletic figure but so have many on the tour. Marketing genius behind her.

Yes, cutish face as a kid + a little athleticism typical of WTA + marketing, sounds about right.

Has she really been taken as one of the best WTA players? Sure she broke the top 10, but that's about it.

Yes, typical WTA flash in the pan. Why don't you email her about picking up those packages for you in Florida, I am sure she could use a few extra bucks these days.
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
She was actually a very good player, but just a level below the top players who were actually winning Slams.

She always got knocked for never winning a tournament. But, unlike most players in that situation, she never seemed to enter a bunch of small tournaments to get that monkey off her back. She always seemed to be playing the biggest tournaments.

Again, not a truly great player, but she was very good.
 

BHBeguile

Semi-Pro
Underrated for her legitimate tennis ability. Should've stuck with doubles exclusively, instead of trying to become the next singles star/pin-up girl.
 

Mike Bulgakov

G.O.A.T.
Underrated for her legitimate tennis ability. Should've stuck with doubles exclusively, instead of trying to become the next singles star/pin-up girl.

I agree with your first sentence, but for Anna, it was all about making money. I think she got out of tennis what she wanted to. Most of the Russian WTA players over the years have been very nice, but not Anna.

She was a strange cultural phenomenon . A lot of money was put behind marketing her.
 
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Leelord337

Hall of Fame
Justin Gimelstob apparently had a massive beef with her some years ago, anyone know what that was about?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/28/justin-gimelstob-anna-kou_n_109756.html

wow, can't believe this from old gimbel! i know he was always a flirt with all the girls and wasn't shy about showing it. once this celeb girl came up to the booth and he was all flirty and huggy with her, i think she was creeped out...he probably pulled the moves on anna too (note: the guy did date martina hingis! and corina morariau) and she wouldn't have anything to do with him. who knows?
 

jarko111

Hall of Fame
Well, check her record against some of the top players in the mid to late 90's. She had some big wins in her career.
I think if there wasn't Anna Kournikova having success in tennis from a country that was more about spending money on Olympic sports we wouldn't have had the Myskina's, Dementieva's, Sharapova's.. of the world. I believe that 100%. Yes, most of her appeal and ability to get a wildcard to any event was her beauty.
Whether you like it or hate it, Anna sold tickets to WTA events. Why do you think the WTA made a big push to promote players that came after her as the "next Anna Kournikova"??
Daniella Hantuckova I remember first being labeled that in 2002 at Wimbledon.. bunch of players got the label.

The thing about Anna is she's one of the most beautiful women in the world.. not just tennis. To me, she looked gorgeous on and off court. I'm not going to hate on any player.. but of course when there are WTA player parties with women dressed to the 9's and styled up.. we have a lot of gorgeous women in the sport.. but Anna looked like she could be on the cover of a magazine in a tennis outfit. Remember how her Nike outfits were cut close to showing her navel in 2002?
And was there ever a tournament where someone didn't scream "Marry Me, Anna" or she didn't have hundreds of people waiting for her win or lose to sign autographs.

When she and Chanda Rubin made it to the SF's in doubles at Wimbledon, USA sports said we have the 3 most photographed women in the history of our sport.. The William's sisters and Anna. RubinKova lost the SF but I remember Chanda saying after the match she'd never seen so many young men begging for autographs and she also said she didn't really understand it. lol.

Chris Evert is the only other player I can think of that had the kind of effect on the sport that Anna did.

And of course Anna got a lot of heat. Her career was ending when power players were taking over. It wasn't just the American players of great fame.. but even Hingis couldn't withstand the power that was coming in the 2000's from players from all over.
 

kiki

Banned
The great and unique thing about Martina/Anna team was there were not enough eyes to cover it
 

YaoPau

Rookie
Kournikova was an awesome player. Yeah she wasn't Graf, but nobody else is.

Got as high as #8 in the world in singles, #1 in the world in doubles. I don't know who OP is referring to that calls her a GOAT candidate, but she was a very accomplished player despite all the jokes made about her tennis career.
 

conway

Banned
One of the only times I ever bothered to watch a full match of hers after 1998 (as the hype around such a little accomlished player who was increasingly obvious not going to live up to her hype, annoyed me too much to bother) was the 2001 Australian Open quarterfinal vs Davenport. I was surprised how impressed I was with her game that day, but the match also showed why she was such a massive underachiever. The score of 6-4, 6-2 really did not reflect the match that well, as in terms of level of play she was really almost equal to Davenport that day, but lost practically every big point so that was the result.

She is a very good shotmaker. She is excellent at creating winning shots without even much set up for them. She has very hard and clean groundstrokes. Davenport said after she match she felt uncomfortable at times on the baseline with Anna's power, and Davenport is arguably the hardest hitter ever. Her serve which was once a big weakness- lots of double faults, was pretty good this match. Atleast the 1st serve, 2nd serve was a bit weak and Davenport was eating it up at times. She has very nice volleys and touch at the net when she chose to come in off a decent approach. She is a good mover and defends quite well. She also sometimes uses this wonky looking slice which is quite good and was effective when she did use it. Her return of serve is very strong too.

However her shot selection was terrible at times. A drop shot from behind the baseline when Davenport was inside the court hitting the previous shot on a break point chance. She approached at dumb times. She gives herself no margin of error on her shots, hitting flat and hard but with little topspin or safety to where she is aiming her shots, and often missing by quite a bit. Her concentration was poor, and she seemed to get nervous on the big points and play her worst tennis of the match at those moments. She doesn't seem to understand how to construct or build points well, or have a coach to guide her with that. She also lacks that one standout weapon, a go to shot if you will.

One tournament a lot forget (the last tournament I watched her quite a bit) was the 1998 Miami event. She had an excellent event, beating Seles, Martinez, Sanchez Vicario, and Davenport. She was up a set and break on Venus Williams in the final and totally should have won that, especialy since Venus wasn't even playing well that day. However she fell apart after Venus lifted her game and broke her back, and lost in 3 sets. What a difference winning that title would have probably made to her whole career. At the very least to how she is perceived today.
 

conway

Banned
I think she also needed a real coach and to listen to him. Her annoying mom was always there, and I think this is another case of "mommy knows best" in Mommy's delusional mind, as is the case for many athletes in some sports. She did have an official coach at times, but he was always more or less a stick figure, and all quit after relatively short periods since they felt they were behind Mamma Kournikova in who Anna listened to about her tennis.
 
Besides her looks and her service woes the thing I most remember about her was her penchant for going for the flashiest, most difficult shot and all too often in singles she just couldn't pull it off consistently enough. She definitely had the talent and the game but just needed to pull back a bit sometimes and use her head which she seldom did.

I remember her sometimes missing that middle gear. she often would either push/moonball extremely and in the next moment really try to kill the ball. that hurt her consistency on the court, she often lacked that reliable solid paced rally ball.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
She was obviously a player of some talent as her doubles record implies but her good looks eventually worked against her. She couldn't decide whether she would be better off playing tennis or becoming a fashion model. The modelling eventually won out.
 

conway

Banned
She was obviously a player of some talent as her doubles record implies but her good looks eventually worked against her. She couldn't decide whether she would be better off playing tennis or becoming a fashion model. The modelling eventually won out.

I think it is much more complicated than that. She was well known as being very commited to her tennis and being a very hard worker when she played. It is like how Maria does a lot of off court things too, but nobody has ever questioned her work ethic.

The real question is not whether she was willing to work, but what exactly she as working on while practicing. Without a real coach to guide you, who you are actually willing to listen to rather than your tennis clueless mom, it wont matter how long or hard you work, but it wont do much for you in the end.

Doubles success doesn't always prove great talent in this day and age either. Just look at Ruano Pascaul and Paula Saurez. Although in Anna's case she was legitimately very talented.
 
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