chrischris
G.O.A.T.
What do you mean by 'earthly'?
Do levels of O2 follow as irrelevant to you?
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Do levels of O2 follow as irrelevant to you?
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
He wants to mandate everything ( acting like a dictator- no wonder so many are leaving the state ) - very dangerous precedent. Orders BYD housing from China made with Australian coal - talks about climate change in hysterical apocalyptic language. Did he fly to COP 21 or attended via zoom ?
Of course non of his dictates affect him as he buys his 6.6 million home.
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Freeing your city from the grid means freeing it from the monopoly pricing of fossil fuel companies, which produce 'quite incidentally' the anti-climate science propaganda that you reference.
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
He is not freeing his city from anything when he links up to the CCP. They can refuse him supply or shut his city down at any time he doesn’t bow down to them and comply. When the renewables fail the BYD’s will be grid locked, nowhere to go - what could go wrong.
People selling up and leaving the city is enough evidence that something is very wrong with his mandates. I wouldn’t trust any leader that thinks he or she has the right to mandate every aspect of your life - dangerous precedent.
Btw you have fossil fuel derangement syndrome.
I somehow don’t know why the CCP cities are not net zero yet?
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austintennis2005
Professional
Millstone
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
That’s a better word
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
Here’s how your life will be controlled in the guise of net zero - you must comply otherwise no transport for you if your social
Credit score is low - this is the idea of freedom according to the climate cult - the sickness was a good way to test the technology - You will own nothing and be happy - do as you are told peasant:
Credit score is low - this is the idea of freedom according to the climate cult - the sickness was a good way to test the technology - You will own nothing and be happy - do as you are told peasant:
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I preferred 'milestone'. It's in the thread title. The unconscious at work!
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chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Why do you think there is a need for your concern about CO2 emissions... , you say this then you say that and maintain that you are not worried about the additional CO2 that these actions like flying and burning of coal cause.. You are a mess, mate.
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
The hypocrisy is being exhibited by those pushing net zero agenda - not an individual like myself.
They want everyone to curb their emissions while they can do whatever they want - why because they are special ? Come on man!
onehandbh
G.O.A.T.
Speaking of batteries, how many of you use rechargeable batteries for home remotes, etc.?
I switched to Sanyo Eneloops a little over 10 years ago. Best decision I ever made. Every one of my AA and AAA Eneloops still hold charge decently and I haven't bought another AA or AAA battery since.
I switched to Sanyo Eneloops a little over 10 years ago. Best decision I ever made. Every one of my AA and AAA Eneloops still hold charge decently and I haven't bought another AA or AAA battery since.
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Not really true at all.
You are all over the place and you know it. Here is your stance and statements of late... :
CO2 emissions Oh no problem CO2 emissions and the next second , Oh jeez emissions by to and so, Big problem.
You are quite lost, it seems.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I switched over too but there is little call for them now as small power tools, for example, have usb connectors. The need to use batteries has declined.
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onehandbh
G.O.A.T.
I don't use small power tools. Only bigger ones. If the "power" tool is so small and has such little power that it can be charged with a usb connector, then I just use my muscle tool.
Only larger ones (e.g. DeWalt drill).
Does your TV remote have a small usb connector (and rechargeable battery inside)?
There was a leader in Germany in the 1930s who rallied the citizens with his scientific plans supported by all good German scientists....did not work out too good.
Gross hypocrisy. How much CO2 does Biden emit?
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
If they have rechargeable batteries inside this makes the Eneloop redundant. You can get Bosch screwdrivers and secateurs that run off usb because they only need small batteries.
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
No once again you distort the truth which was:
The hypocrisy of the climate cult in that they demonise low population western countries that produce 1 percent emissions and urge them to decarbonise their economy and bankrupt everyone but they completely ignore China that produces most of the emissions and is even increasing their emissions and building new coal plants every week:
You are so quiet about the emissions emitted by the CCP and your mate here even defends it, why is that ? So let’s keep things in context and post the truth.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
It's amazing how you lay the blame for several hundred years of Western industrialisation on just several decades of Chinese history. Fossil fuel propaganda intersects with Sinophobia here.
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
Not blaming any country for anything - just highlighting the hypocrisy of the climate cult and their behaviour.
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Do you accept that CO2 is a greenhouse gas or dont You? För its no good if you argue one second like it is and the next tnat it isnt and you do that qulte a lot....
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Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
I accept it’s a gaseous substance found on earth along with nitrogen, oxygen, argon and other small gases. The science literature available states that carbon dioxide accounts for .04 percent of the atmosphere and 97 percent is of natural means and humans emit around 3 percent of that .04. There are also known agreed facts that state that the planet is 70 percent water and 30 percent land and the 8 billion humans occupy 14.5 percent of that so therefore 85.5 percent is not used by humans.
The problem occurs is that people like yourself who believe in climate catastrophe theology are running fear narratives that the world will warm by 2030 and reach a tipping point where irreparable damage and extinction will occur and therefore you want to drastically change the way the whole world operates including what every individual can or cannot do, who can live or die, be rich or poor, what car you can drive, where and when you can move around and what you can eat and how you can transact. That’s a lot of centralised control needed to do that to ordinary citizens isn’t it.
This message of climate catastrophe is particularly pitched and indoctrinated at children which is really quite disgusting in my opinion.
And since this is your assessment ( not mine) it seems hypocritical that something which is a global problem in your eyes, in terms of needing to decarbonise is only a mandatory requirement directed at western countries. Indeed many countries are spending trillions on decarbonisation, however countries like China, North Korea and Russia are doing the exact opposite, but you and your mate defend this position. Why do you hold this view, is there some other agenda that you dream about.
Since China is the biggest emitter, ( around 35 percent ) why don’t they decarbonise their 35 percent and countries like Australia and NZ can watch and learn to see how things work out - if that’s what’s important to you. Even if Australia for example eliminates all their 1% carbon emissions and China increases theirs ( which they are ) are you happy then and what have you achieved ? I will tell you what you will have achieved - sending the whole of Australia and similar democracies into complete economic collapse especially if the net zero target is to be reached in a very short time.
I will put my money on it that if all western countries collapse due de-industrialisation policies and become captured and taken over by communist China and global governance then climate activists like yourself and your mate will give up on this activism, because it was never about the climate for you guys - it’s about global socialism.
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
It's amazing how you lay the blame for several hundred years of Western industrialisation on just several decades of Chinese history. Fossil fuel propaganda intersects with Sinophobia here.
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
So to be clear, you are saying that CO2 is a greenhouse gas , correct?
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
What do you mean by 'earthly' a bit more precisely?
Do you know from where and what oxygen is produced so we live and breathe?
Username_
Hall of Fame
gotta wonder if the commies actually read this post considering the following replies to this one are one line replies
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Sometimes less is more but your one line is a case of less is less.
If people claim climate science is a cult then there is nothing to discuss.
If people claim climate science is a cult then there is nothing to discuss.
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Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
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They are having another go by inventing various fear crises and fear narratives so that the scared citizens will demand authoritarian action from the government. Even Klaus said that C19 was a narrow opportunity to push the Great Reset and go from share holder capitalism to stakeholder capitalism which is another word for communism. They feel that this time they can terrorise the people with technology, pharma and climate change. Green policies are a good way of killing people.
They say though that fear is the virus and courage is the cure, so we the people must stand up;
The major flaw that these people have is that their ideology practices barbarism and they have no regard for the human soul, individuality, serving one another or the pioneer spirit - after all they all collectivists and would hand their own mother over to the authorities for the cause - which is why they always eventually fail, crash and burn.
They are having another go by inventing various fear crises and fear narratives so that the scared citizens will demand authoritarian action from the government. Even Klaus said that C19 was a narrow opportunity to push the Great Reset and go from share holder capitalism to stakeholder capitalism which is another word for communism. They feel that this time they can terrorise the people with technology, pharma and climate change. Green policies are a good way of killing people.
They say though that fear is the virus and courage is the cure, so we the people must stand up;
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
Yes along with water vapour and clouds and water vapour and clouds makes up over 70 percent of greenhouse molecules.
As we currently sit at 400PPM geology tells us that this figure has actually been a lot higher.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
It's the greenhouse effect. The gasses exist naturally. They have increased due to industrialisation and hence the greenhouse effect. That's the problem. It causes global warming.
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
I couldn’t tell you, I honestly don’t know, at present how the world is tracking but if IHR’s are signed off by a lot of countries along with digital ID and CBDC implemented you will be sorry that you ever pushed renewables and it’s associated electrification and digital surveillance and compliance measures. Then you will have a better appreciation of population control and the meaning of green house gases as it applies to your own mortality.
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
You are supposed to predict doom far off into the future. You just told us confidently about a doom foretold by Klaus that we know never happened. That's the problem.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
On May 9, 2013, an instrument near the summit of Mauna Loa in Hawai'i, United States, recorded a long-awaited climate milestone: the amount of carbon dioxide (CO2)in the atmosphere there had exceeded 400 parts per million (ppm) for the first time in 55 years of measurement—and probably more than thre million years of Earth history.
The last time the concentration of Earth's main greenhouse gas reached this mark, horses and camels lived in the high Arctic. Seas were at least 9.1 meters (30 feet higher)—at a level that today would inundate major cities around the world.
The planet was about 2 to 3 degrees Celsius (3.6 to 5.4 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer. But Earth then was in the final stage of a prolonged greenhouse epoch, and CO2 concentrations were on their way down. However, the May 2013 reading represented something different. This time, 400 ppm was a milepost on a far more rapid uphill climb toward an uncertain climate future.
Two independent teams of scientists measure CO2 on Mauna Loa: one from the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the other from the Scripps Institution of Oceanography. The NOAA team was the first to post word on its website: The daily average for May 9 was 400.03 ppm. The Scripps team later confirmed the milestone had been crossed.
National Geographic
The last time the concentration of Earth's main greenhouse gas reached this mark, horses and camels lived in the high Arctic. Seas were at least 9.1 meters (30 feet higher)—at a level that today would inundate major cities around the world.
The planet was about 2 to 3 degrees Celsius (3.6 to 5.4 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer. But Earth then was in the final stage of a prolonged greenhouse epoch, and CO2 concentrations were on their way down. However, the May 2013 reading represented something different. This time, 400 ppm was a milepost on a far more rapid uphill climb toward an uncertain climate future.
Two independent teams of scientists measure CO2 on Mauna Loa: one from the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the other from the Scripps Institution of Oceanography. The NOAA team was the first to post word on its website: The daily average for May 9 was 400.03 ppm. The Scripps team later confirmed the milestone had been crossed.
National Geographic
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
There is no clear evidence that greenhouse gases of human origin are driving global warming. It’s much more complicated than that. I have a client who is a climate scientist and he said that at present they are studying the effects of clouds, water vapour and solar activity along with ocean temperatures, under water tectonic movements and currents in line with Australian El Niño and La Niña cycles which change every 5 years. There are quite a few climate scientists from Europe here in Australia researching it nice along with countries near the equator. The El Niño and La Niña cycles are just one of about 8 different cycles that influence how the planet behaves. I tend to follow what independent scientists have to say rather than ones sponsored by the climate cult and exaggerated by the media:
The real shame about the climate cult is that they have totally abandoned what conservation and environmental protection was all about which explains why major green advocates have left prominent organisations.
If you take electric cars and look at it in terms of PM 2.5 and 10 pollutants we can see at face value that you can make reductions, however what we haven’t factored in is all the other things that go into changing the whole energy grid and transmission technology and batteries will have on pollution.
Maybe take a look at this real time air pollution readings to give you some insight
World's Air Pollution: Real-time Air Quality Index
How polluted is the air today? Check out the real-time air pollution map, for more than 80 countries.
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chrischris
G.O.A.T.
There is no clear evidence that greenhouse gases of human origin are driving global warming. It’s much more complicated than that. I have a client who is a climate scientist and he said that at present they are studying the effects of clouds, water vapour and solar activity along with ocean temperatures, under water tectonic movements and currents in line with Australian El Niño and La Niña cycles which change every 5 years. There are quite a few climate scientists from Europe here in Australia researching it nice along with countries near the equator. The El Niño and La Niña cycles are just one of about 8 different cycles that influence how the planet behaves. I tend to follow what independent scientists have to say rather than ones sponsored by the climate cult and exaggerated by the media:
The real shame about the climate cult is that they have totally abandoned what conservation and environmental protection was all about which explains why major green advocates have left prominent organisations.
If you take electric cars and look at it in terms of PM 2.5 and 10 pollutants we can see at face value that you can make reductions, however what we haven’t factored in is all the other things that go into changing the whole energy grid and transmission technology and batteries will have on pollution.
Maybe take a look at this real time air pollution readings to give you some insight
World's Air Pollution: Real-time Air Quality Index
How polluted is the air today? Check out the real-time air pollution map, for more than 80 countries.
Isnt there?
What about Gravity, doesnt that exist either?
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Indeed, this croc fellow is running round and round.. swappng chairs and narrative like mad.
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
According to climate science that I have read the sudden increase between the late 80’s to year 2000 was more due to major El Niño patterns and changes in temperature recording measures. Much more reliable data is now being collected through satellite technology,
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
There is no clear evidence that greenhouse gases of human origin are driving global warming. It’s much more complicated than that. I have a client who is a climate scientist and he said that at present they are studying the effects of clouds, water vapour and solar activity along with ocean temperatures, under water tectonic movements and currents in line with Australian El Niño and La Niña cycles which change every 5 years. There are quite a few climate scientists from Europe here in Australia researching it nice along with countries near the equator. The El Niño and La Niña cycles are just one of about 8 different cycles that influence how the planet behaves. I tend to follow what independent scientists have to say rather than ones sponsored by the climate cult and exaggerated by the media:
The real shame about the climate cult is that they have totally abandoned what conservation and environmental protection was all about which explains why major green advocates have left prominent organisations.
If you take electric cars and look at it in terms of PM 2.5 and 10 pollutants we can see at face value that you can make reductions, however what we haven’t factored in is all the other things that go into changing the whole energy grid and transmission technology and batteries will have on pollution.
Maybe take a look at this real time air pollution readings to give you some insight
World's Air Pollution: Real-time Air Quality Index
How polluted is the air today? Check out the real-time air pollution map, for more than 80 countries.
You state an incorrect fact without evidence and then launch into a personal anecdote before returning to the 'climate cult' thesis. You are really off the deep end.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
And what are your references for the El Nino thesis? You do realise that you are also discounting the greenhouse effect with this move?
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
What’s going on in the world right now is happening now and the WEF courtesy of Klaus and his global shapers have penetrated cabinets in governments all over the world;
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
You just can’t handle the facts Bartelby. The opportunity that I had in looking at the research of an actual climate scientist gives me an advantage over the Marxist activist propaganda media sheets where you get your talking points from.
The difference between us is that I search for the truth where’s you search for what best benefits the objectives of the collectivists,
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
If for example if you are being honest you will know that in Australia in the last 3 years we had quite a reasonable La Niña Cycle and this resulted in much milder summer temperatures with the dams filling up with some flooding events. We are now heading into a El Niño
Cycle that will bring hotter and drier conditions especially in south eastern Australia. This cycle has been happening in Australia for as long as people have lived here, and we know that ocean currents play a big part in these cycles.
And I will say it again that if the free world collapses due to net zero madness and the totalitarians gain control over the world, climate activism will vanish, but I can guarantee you that you will own nothing including your soul and I don’t think you will be happy, but someone else will own everything and it won’t be you. You will
be a hackable bar code receiving your universal basic income and rations of grasshopper protein bars. There’s a thought for you - yum eat ze bugs Bart
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
We passed 410 ppm in 2017, and El Nino is merely a southern hemisphere cycle beginning in 2023. The Greenhouse Effect is a global one and with different causes, namely human ones.
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
El Niño and La Niña cycles and ocean currents and other planetary and solar cycles are well documented in scientific literature. Because most cycles last for about 5 years and they have been known to happen now for quite some time the thesis is one of the better ones.
However the claims made by government funded climate activists who claim that cyclones and bush fires are more frequent, well the truth is that the opposite is the case. Even with oceans, the oyster farmers still farm in the same locations and Fort Denison and the Opera House are still where they are years ago;
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
See, you are a complete science denialist. The greenhouse effect is good science and explains the data. Ever been into a proper greenhouse? I recommend the one in the Fitzroy Gardens.
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