any pro using a light racquet?
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Moonballballer
Semi-Pro
Goffin and Rojer both have 300-305gr unstrung
acintya
Legend
are you sure? thanks
LinePainter
Professional
I wonder if Goffin would benefit from using a heavier racquet, the added mass would given him some more power and directional control.
Moonballballer
Semi-Pro
are you sure? thanks
Well unless theyve changed I'm pretty sure.
About 345gr strung right?
Nadal uses a low static weight racket (around 330 grams, I believe), but very high on swing weight
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
But what are their swingweights? They may be using racquets with a lot of weight in the head.
SpinToWin
Talk Tennis Guru
Goffin uses a stock Wilson Blade AFAIK, so nope on the high swingweight front.
dgoran
Hall of Fame
One of the stringers from Belgium reported that Goffin does not use lead anywhere so its presumably stock although we have no idea whats under the paint in terms of which version of blade. It could be 58RA nblade or 67RA kbade or really any layup that wilson cooked up for him. One thing I can tell just by looking is that its not retail...
Moonballballer
Semi-Pro
Goffin has a stock blade (I think 2015) and Rojer no idea what it really is or what swingweight is, I only know it's very light and that he wants his natural gut prestretched manually
dgoran
Hall of Fame
Do you mean Stock as in not modified after Wilson sends it to him or stock as in retail? Cause I am sure it's not retail.Goffin has a stock blade (I think 2015) and Rojer no idea what it really is or what swingweight is, I only know it's very light and that he wants his natural gut prestretched manually
Moonballballer
Semi-Pro
Yes retail and not customized. How are you so sure? I've heard this from people who strung for him and some other posters on this board seem to confirm it.
dgoran
Hall of Fame
I'm pretty good at recognizing those things I know the post you are referring to and that was years ago but now he is using a paint job of that racquet since his is glossy and retail is mate
jarko111
Hall of Fame
Aren't there women on tour that play with some of the heaviest sticks? Hantuckova and Date-Krumm for instance?
The only player that the board has acknowledged that actually uses a "lite" racquet is Aga Radwanska with the PD Lite. And I believe it. Her compact, short strokes .. and extremely flat/low balls.. it does make sense. She's so crafty. What was Santoro's static/swing weight? He was even more crafty, obviously.
The only player that the board has acknowledged that actually uses a "lite" racquet is Aga Radwanska with the PD Lite. And I believe it. Her compact, short strokes .. and extremely flat/low balls.. it does make sense. She's so crafty. What was Santoro's static/swing weight? He was even more crafty, obviously.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Has anyone actually measured Goffin's actual playing racquet to confirm its actual specs?
Moonballballer
Semi-Pro
Yes the stringers did that, but I dont have any proof if you'd like that.
dgoran
Hall of Fame
No one confirmed anything here's the post http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/david-goffins-racquet.430205/ Moonballer is referring to and he really does not say much in addition that was from 2012 so I doubt he will switch with every retail version. I can post some photos that I'm my opinion prove that it is not 2015 retail...
Moonballballer
Semi-Pro
Im not sure its 2015 retail. The stringers just told me that he used a retail blade this year in Rotterdam.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Hmmm...that doesn't sound very definitive to me. I mean, not every stringer knows the specs of every retail racquet, right? So unless someone actually measured Goffin's actual racquet, I'm not really convinced.
Moonballballer
Semi-Pro
Those stringers own tennis shops lol. They measured it but I dont know the exact stats. Not that interested in Goffin to be honest.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Not every tennis shop owner knows the specs to every retail racquet.
If you don't believe, walk into any tennis shop and ask the OWNER the exact specs of every single racquet he sells in his shop without looking them up.
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Moonballballer
Semi-Pro
Dude stop talking crap, I'm getting tired of you. If you don't want to believe anything I say, not my problem.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Oh, I believe what you said is true - i.e., that a stringer told you that he believes Goffin uses a retail Blade. However, that doesn't mean IT IS true. We don't have proof of the specs nor do we have proof that this stringer knows what he's talking about. You can tell the truth about hearing something that is erroneous.
Just like a stringer can tell me that Djokovic uses a retail Speed. Yes, it's a fact he told me that. However, that doesn't make it a fact that Djokovic uses a retail Speed.
Moonballballer
Semi-Pro
Okay last thing: both stringers are pro tuners and know all about retail and pro stock rackets. All I know is that the frame is retail blade and 304gr, nothing more nothing less
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Actually, I don't think you really do know that since you didn't measure Goffin's racquet yourself. All you know is what the stringer told you. Correct?
Ihatetennis
Hall of Fame
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/goffin-racket.540815/
Multiple sources actually. I saw goffin at uso practicing with fed. Definitely a stock blade, showroom specs dead on of course, but stock nonetheless. If he has a different grip from retail and maybe adds some lead thats cool, but at least we know we can get a pros racket haha
dgoran
Hall of Fame
Let me say this. No one would be happier than me to see that top 20 pro is actually using a retail stock racquet.
Few stringers have posted that its stock. I thought that it was retail too but it's not. In fact I posted in that thread too. I was the one saying it was stock but I am not ashamed to admit I was wrong. I guess like many racquet companies try to bend the truth using "definitions" this will depend on your definition of what is retail and what is stock but he is not using same racquet you can buy in the store and let me tell you why i think that and you guys draw your own conclusions:
Pay attention to 2 details. Paint gloss and buttcap:
1) Retail is NOT glossy.
2.Glossy
3. Again glossy
4. Glossy
As we said this friendly Talk Tennis argument depends on definitions of retail and stock. From my perspective Retail is what is sold in store and KBlade is NOT sold in store at least officially (I believe he is using KBlade now of course made only for pros thus Pro Stock).
Stock: for me means NOT modified or altered from original so IMHO it is modified to match paint he likes and handle does not have any gimmicks like amplifeel etc...
IMHO he is using this:
Few stringers have posted that its stock. I thought that it was retail too but it's not. In fact I posted in that thread too. I was the one saying it was stock but I am not ashamed to admit I was wrong. I guess like many racquet companies try to bend the truth using "definitions" this will depend on your definition of what is retail and what is stock but he is not using same racquet you can buy in the store and let me tell you why i think that and you guys draw your own conclusions:
Pay attention to 2 details. Paint gloss and buttcap:
1) Retail is NOT glossy.
2.Glossy
3. Again glossy
4. Glossy
As we said this friendly Talk Tennis argument depends on definitions of retail and stock. From my perspective Retail is what is sold in store and KBlade is NOT sold in store at least officially (I believe he is using KBlade now of course made only for pros thus Pro Stock).
Stock: for me means NOT modified or altered from original so IMHO it is modified to match paint he likes and handle does not have any gimmicks like amplifeel etc...
IMHO he is using this:
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
As if you had something valuable to contribute...ever.
BTW, someone who told someone who told someone is not proof of actual specs. Where are the actual numbers?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Wait, you were able to measure the specs of his racquet by just using your eyes and watching him practice? That's quite a talent that you have.
LOLIhatetennis
Hall of Fame
I held his racket, but no. What I was saying is it was a blade mold, no h22 or h19Wait, you were able to measure the specs of his racquet by just using your eyes and watching him practice? That's quite a talent that you have.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
But aren't there many molds that look similar to the Blade mold? So unless you had a retail Blade with you to compare them side-by-side, can you be 100% sure they are the same mold?
Anyway, what we'd really like to know are his playing specs, i.e., weight, swingweight, balance, flex, etc.
Ihatetennis
Hall of Fame
There are no other molds that look like the blade
dgoran
Hall of Fame
Maybe he was referring to layup and mass distribution or in marketing words nblade vs kblade vs blx blade vs black blade vs black and green blade all of which are very different as nblade had approx 58ra flex and 340 sw while kblade had 67 flex and 325 sw
Ihatetennis
Hall of Fame
as far as that, yeah. To me it seemed like the newest blade in hand feel. I used to use the k blade and imo was a different layup. I also am not a trained pro in rackets but it was a version of the blade.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
But then why do so many people confuse the H19 or H22 with the Blade?
dgoran
Hall of Fame
They don't know what h22 one looks like...
roger presley
Hall of Fame
Because a paint job is usually the same and they haven't seen any H22 or H19.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
I'd bet if you took a Blade 98 (16x19) and put the exact same paintjob on it as the RF97A along with a leather grip, most people would think it's a real RF97A. LOL
Paintjobs are very deceiving....and they work. That's why racquet companies do it. Most customers just look at the cosmetics to determine the model. Works for most women, too.
LOL
roger presley
Hall of Fame
True.I'd bet if you took a Blade 98 (16x19) and put the exact same paintjob on it as the RF97A along with a leather grip, most people would think it's a real RF97A. LOL
Paintjobs are very deceiving....and they work. That's why racquet companies do it. Most customers just look at the cosmetics to determine the model. Works for most women, too.
Ihatetennis
Hall of Fame
Because the colors look the same, but beyond that they do not look the same.
Blades have rounded d box beams, h22 has a roundish box beam.
I know for a fact goffin doesnt use an h22
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Could you please elaborate on that? What's the difference between a "rounded d box beam" and a "roundish box beam"?
Ihatetennis
Hall of Fame
I meant d beam.
The stock blade is round on the outside of the hoop, while the h22 is flat with round edges
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/inde...ck-racquet-how-to-tell-the-difference.337469/
Edit, here is a good picture to show the flatness of it
Meanwhile, real blades are rounded without edges
