Are Nishikori and Dimitrov already superior players than Raonic?
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Omega_7000
Legend
Yeah but what good is that if he cannot stay healthy for more than a few weeks at a time.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
And yet being older than them, his results doesnt imply that
This is why the ignore function doesn't work, guys. You keep quoting him!
Marius_Hancu
Talk Tennis Guru
Not anymore. Raonic has been making serious progress from the baseline and at the net. He has finally learned how to neutralize an exchange.
tennisbuck
Hall of Fame
I really think watching the match tonight that Kei is a superior player to raonic and should have a better career than him as well. I know the score to the match looked really close, but I think Kei should've won the third set but missed break chances that he normally won't. So the match could've easily been 4. I really don't think Raonic should ever beat kei. Kei will only get better as well once he has a year free of injuries. I mean I don't think a player can continue to always have as bad of injury luck as he has.
Kei is already better and have much room to grow than Raonic. Injuries may prevent him from winning a slam, but as I said he's the only one (out of the 3) that I can see becoming a slam winner. Not that he'll have the best career overall, Milos will probably have the best career results, finishing in the top 10 for a decade or so, etc. I just feel that Nishi is the only one with enough strokes to beat 2 members of the top4 in a row in order to win a slam.
Although, as I said in my previous post, they'll have a 3 year window to win slams when the big4 retire and they still are on their prime and before the next young guns reach their own prime.
Anyways, Milos needs to improve his 2nd serve. He wins a lot of points with his ground strokes therefore it improvess 2nd serve winning percentage thus making people say he got a better 2nd Serve than other serve bots. Problem is that other serve bots barely can keep a rally going for more than 4 exchanges against anyone, that's Milos real advantage, but his second serve can improve by leaps and bounds (based on his 1st serve).
5'9 Victor Estrella was returning Milos kick serve with ease... Just by getting inside the court and slicing it back. It'd be funny seeing him try that against Isner's kick serve. Improving his 2nd serve is achievable and would help him tremendously, of course that improving his net game would help him also, but considering his height and the fact his volleys sucks, he probably simply can't learn.
Although, as I said in my previous post, they'll have a 3 year window to win slams when the big4 retire and they still are on their prime and before the next young guns reach their own prime.
Anyways, Milos needs to improve his 2nd serve. He wins a lot of points with his ground strokes therefore it improvess 2nd serve winning percentage thus making people say he got a better 2nd Serve than other serve bots. Problem is that other serve bots barely can keep a rally going for more than 4 exchanges against anyone, that's Milos real advantage, but his second serve can improve by leaps and bounds (based on his 1st serve).
5'9 Victor Estrella was returning Milos kick serve with ease... Just by getting inside the court and slicing it back. It'd be funny seeing him try that against Isner's kick serve. Improving his 2nd serve is achievable and would help him tremendously, of course that improving his net game would help him also, but considering his height and the fact his volleys sucks, he probably simply can't learn.
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tlm
G.O.A.T.
Ya right keep dreaming, Kei has not been playing and is not in top form and despite his total brain cramps and gifts he gave your hero he still wins.
He can now neutralize an exchange? Ya he looks so great in any rally over 4 shots, LOL. The only reason this match went 5 is because Kei is off his game because he has not been playing due to injury. No surprise that once kei got on to the servebots serve and made him play tennis the superior player wins.
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Marius_Hancu
Talk Tennis Guru
Well, it seems Nishikori is still better on HC than Raonic, as the surface favors his very precise foot movement. The opposite was true at Wimbledon. However, I feel Raonic should have come yesterday much more to the net, and the sooner he will recall that Sampras started to S-V on his 2nd at 25, the better.
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tennisfreak
Semi-Pro
Think this depends on the surface.
On Grass:
Raonic > Dimitrov > Nishikori
On HC:
Dimitrov = Nishikori > Raonic
On Clay:
Nishikori > Dimitrov > Raonic
On Grass:
Raonic > Dimitrov > Nishikori
On HC:
Dimitrov = Nishikori > Raonic
On Clay:
Nishikori > Dimitrov > Raonic
This was the first year Raonic had better grass results than Nishikori.
Him being better than Nishi on grass is not a given. I expect Kei to have similar to better results during the grass season next year.
@Marius Hancu, not sure if you follow Milos but his volley sucks. His net game is bellow mediocre.
Him being better than Nishi on grass is not a given. I expect Kei to have similar to better results during the grass season next year.
@Marius Hancu, not sure if you follow Milos but his volley sucks. His net game is bellow mediocre.
coolschreiber
Hall of Fame
At the net I agree, Raonic has improved a lot... But at the baseline, I don't know man..... He was terrible, even the commentators were saying how bad he was... Taylor Dent said after he hit a backhand down the line..... Finally Raonic hit a great shot that's not a serve. He couldn't get more than 3-5 shots back in neutral baseline rallies.. He wasnt on defense or anything.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
Yeah, both of them. Too bad Kei is so injury prone, but it happens. I think he has the best mindset and smarts to win and win big. Kei seems to have more inner belief.
Dmitrov is very talented too, but he seems like a hotdogger and hotdogging, instead of buckling down and keeping your head straight sometimes loses the match. He kept trying to go through Monfils, and when that didn't work, he just kept doing the same thing.
Kei was playing like crap, but he kept his head in the game and ended up prevailing.
Dmitrov is very talented too, but he seems like a hotdogger and hotdogging, instead of buckling down and keeping your head straight sometimes loses the match. He kept trying to go through Monfils, and when that didn't work, he just kept doing the same thing.
Kei was playing like crap, but he kept his head in the game and ended up prevailing.
Marius_Hancu
Talk Tennis Guru
After Nishikori's taking out Djokovic to qualify for the final of 2014 USO, he's no doubt at the top of the young crowd.
Terenigma
G.O.A.T.
That was a magnificant performance today and to beat Raonic/Wawrinka too puts him high but im still unconvinced about putting him at the top of the pile. Raonic still took him to 5 this year and also beat him at Wimbledon and Djokovic was pretty poor today. If he wins the US Open then there is no doubt he will be the best of the 3 right now but when you compare his year performance to Raonic in paticular. There isnt much to choose between them in my eyes. A slam run doesnt change the big picture for me unless he wins it.
Marius_Hancu
Talk Tennis Guru
Get out of here. He beat Nishikori from anywhere, including the baseline, at Wimbledon.
movdqa
Talk Tennis Guru
I think that the heat affected both players today but Nishikori handled it better overall - Djokovic definitely played better against Murray (who was also playing really well). Sometimes a player has a really great streak in a big tournament like Wawrinka did at the AO and then come back down to earth. The other players (and their coaches) will look closely at their games and try to dissect them to find patterns that they don't like and other weaknesses.
I'll put Nishikori on top for now. Dimitrov and Raonic are going to have to prove themselves next year.
I'll put Nishikori on top for now. Dimitrov and Raonic are going to have to prove themselves next year.
That was quite obvious to anyone that play tennis. Raonic may have better results aka being a more efficient player, using his limited skills to the maximum but Nishikori is a complete player. As I kept saying throughout this thread: Nishi is the only one, out of the 3, that have enough skills to take out 2 members of the top4 in a row. Dimitrov is tremendously overrated. His backhand return is a joke, his footwork is not that good and I don't see him surving 2 5setters in a row, like Nishi did, and still having energy to take out Djokovic.
So yeh: Raonic may be the most efficient out of the 3; Key is the better player with the most room to grow and Dimitrov is just an overrated player because he used to play like Federer (nowadays he plays really passive from the baseline, btw).
Bukmeikara
Legend
Top 8 guy is overrated While those under him in the rankings are reaching Slam final
While those under him in the rankings are reaching Slam finalTop 8 guy is overrated
Being overrated has nothing to do with how good you are. People that says Nadal is the goat are overrating him, and he's an amazing player, just not the goat. Dimitrov is an elite player, but people overrated Dimitrov because he used to play like Federer. I believe he'll remain an elite player (top20) for the most part of his career but he'll never win a slam, will never become Top1, not skilled enough. Nishikori can do both, if he gets injury free for some years and Raonic will do his thing (if he wants, if he remains focused) 'till his mid 30's.
He's not that skilled but with that weapon that he has, once he matures his mental game will(should) improve and he may win Wimbledon by winning a lot of Tie Breakers. Something he doesn't do right now, not at the rate he could do with that serve he has.
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Bukmeikara
Legend
At 23 he is number 8 alongside Murray, Djokovic, Nadal, Federer - the deadliest group of wolfes that tennis had ever seen. And you are saying he doesnt have enough potential to win a Slam? I could posibly agree with the number 1 ranking(which I believe Grigor would eventually get) because its a hard task and manny great players didnt achieved but Slam is totaly in his reach.
Majority of the Tour are veterans who would fade away in 2-3-4 years time, who would dominate man tennis if not Nishikori, Raonic, Dimitrov, Kirgios and Thiem?
movdqa
Talk Tennis Guru
Players can change their games though. I think that Lendl helped Murray quite a bit [though Murray seemed to revert to his old self]. I think that Edberg helped Federer with a little S&V polish. Fed, Nadal and Djokovic have all made changes over the years and Dimitrov could do this too.
FreeBird
Legend
Raonic had some pretty unbelievably easy draws this year. That is why he has climbed the ranking as high as 6. He has only 1 top 10 win this year while Nishikori has 7. Nishikori has a slam Final and a Masters final. So, yes, he is better.
LazyNinja19
Banned
This seals the deal for Miloshhhh...
Marius_Hancu
Talk Tennis Guru
watch it:
04:00 am EST Tomic - Raonic (ATP Tokyo)
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04:00 am EST Tomic - Raonic (ATP Tokyo)
streamed
FFS,cut a bit low isn't it?This seals the deal for Miloshhhh...
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
Disgusting image
Amelie Mauresmo
Banned
This seals the deal for Miloshhhh...
WOW Milos looks pretty hot nice pubic hair! Nice to see male athletes showing more skin down below!
Amelie Mauresmo
Banned
But that is the advantage of being higher ranked you act like the other top guys don't get easy draws too. When you get into the top 10 this means you are one of the best so OF COURSE you get easier draws!
FreeBird
Legend
TBH, his draws have opened up strangely. I think a guy on other forum shared statistics about this.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
haha yeah, missed the match but the way Nishikori plays sometimes is unbelievable, like a video game
La_Para
Rookie
He's amazing. I just love his style and attitude on court, the things he can do with a ball is just crazy:shock:.
I Just watched some highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uAyCtIiJaU
He's turned on the heat these last couple of years hasn't he? Too bad for all those injuries he suffered. He's quickly turning into one of my favourite players.
Hope he goes a long way
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
He's amazing. I just love his style and attitude on court, the things he can do with a ball is just crazy:shock:.
I Just watched some highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uAyCtIiJaU
He's turned on the heat these last couple of years hasn't he? Too bad for all those injuries he suffered. He's quickly turning into one of my favourite players.
Hope he goes a long way
great highlights
TheMusicLover
G.O.A.T.
Disgusting image
This. No thanks mr. Raonic. Buy a jeans that fits you, please.
I'm not that much interested in your certain 'body parts' aka pubic hair...
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Bryan Swartz
Hall of Fame
He's an interesting case. He crushes inferior players at an outstanding rate, yet has an anemic record against better ones(only 1-9 against the Top 10 in the last year). Tennis needs a player like him I think for variety, but he's not going anywhere that he hasn't already gone until he improves his weaknesses.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
This. No thanks mr. Raonic. Buy a jeans that fits you, please.
I'm not that much interested in your certain 'body parts' aka pubic hair...
What if it were Dolgopolov instead? :wink:
He is a beast. I am looking forward to the myriad of Nishi vs Raonic matches in the coming years. Although I am Canadian and a Milos fan, I am not delusional in the fact that Kei is leaps and bounds more naturally gifted off the ground than Milos.
TBH Kei reminds me a lot of prime Davy, someone who was really fun to watch. Too bad he couldn't gut out that win over Nads then he would have had a win against each of the Top 3.
Rock Strongo
Legend
This seals the deal for Miloshhhh...
Oh! Well... Nothing to say. Perhaps a shave?
Marius_Hancu
Talk Tennis Guru
great victory for Raonic against Melzer, who humiliated him 2 years ago via smart returning
tennisbuck
Hall of Fame
True but that was a different Melzer
Amelie Mauresmo
Banned
This. No thanks mr. Raonic. Buy a jeans that fits you, please.
I'm not that much interested in your certain 'body parts' aka pubic hair...
No way LOL! We need to see MORE male athletes show us down below! It is about time. The men in pro sports need to see they got a lot of female and gay fans. Good job by Milos showing us his bush!!
Amelie Mauresmo
Banned
Unfortunately, this is indeed the truth. Milos is very consistent against the lower ranked players BUT he really needs in the off season to strengthen the weak parts. The movement is better that has definitely improved a lot. The return of serve I feel is the BIG PROBLEM. Milos really needs to break more frequently I feel if he is going to go higher.
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
I think we all know by now that when all three are competing, Kei is more likely to win more times than the other two.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
Nishikori is getting tired this week I think, Chardy is his next opponent.
La_Para
Rookie
I've heard he has a lower back injury. do you have any info about that?
Such a letdown, I'd hate to see him quit or play below his usual level because of that in the final
Marius_Hancu
Talk Tennis Guru
I'll let the ATP points at the end of the year decide
Bryan Swartz
Hall of Fame
A reasonable approach. Dimitrov has considerable work to do to make the Tour Final and be in that conversation.
Terenigma
G.O.A.T.
Nishikori has took over Raonic in my eyes with that win. Love how close their matches always seem to be, watched the highlights earlia and enjoyed it. I think Raonic took the initial lead of the 3, Nishikori is now in the lead with Raonic still maintaining a decent pace to only stay a little behind. Dimitrov deff needs to do something to re-ignite his place in this thread but he's still had a good year, especially on grass.
Good to see that these 3 have somewhat made the main strides into taking over the new generation tho, shame the same cant be said for other "maybe" players such as JJ and Gulbis.
Good to see that these 3 have somewhat made the main strides into taking over the new generation tho, shame the same cant be said for other "maybe" players such as JJ and Gulbis.
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