Article on bathroom breaks in tennis.

Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
Shoutout to Ralph on TT who is particularly against this. :)

WIMBLEDON, England — After Rafael Nadal lost the first set of his third-round match against Mikhail Kukushkin on Centre Court, he whispered something to the umpire and left the court.

He was gone for more than three minutes. Kukushkin, like a date momentarily abandoned at a cafe, sat in his chair, staring straight ahead, waiting for Nadal to return. He tapped his toes amid the white noise of murmuring fans and rain pattering on the roof.

Nadal returned and won the next three sets by identical 6-1 scores.

“I needed to go to the bathroom; that’s all,” Nadal said afterward. “I bring my T-shirt and my bandanna to change that there because I had to go to the bathroom. Not because I wanted to have a break, no.”

Something as ordinary as a toilet break has increasingly become a debated topic at the top levels of tennis. Does the player really need to go, or is it a ruse to buy time, clear the mind and alter momentum? Did he or she flush? Does it matter?

And by the way, where is the nearest bathroom to Court 16, anyway?

They are surprisingly complicated questions for such a mundane task. And they stir something inside any player or fan who views leaving the court as unbecoming to the sport.

The drama in tennis comes, in large part, by its unusual sporting spectacle — players alone on a stage, their every action and emotion visible for all to see, even, and perhaps especially, between games and sets. There is no halftime to regroup, no dugout to hide in, no helmet to shrink inside, no teammate or coach to deflect attention.

Bathroom breaks are an escape hatch. There are no statistics kept on their frequency, but most top players have used them at trying times in key matches.

“It’s gotten completely out of hand,” said the former player John McEnroe, now a television analyst. “Most of the times, it’s when someone loses a set. Very rarely does it happen that you go out when you’re winning.”

When Andy Murray was still in pursuit of his first Grand Slam title, he won the first two sets of the 2012 United States Open final against Novak Djokovic and then lost the next two. He excused himself.

As Djokovic and the restless crowd waited, Murray stood alone in a tiny, one-toilet bathroom just off the court at Arthur Ashe Stadium.

“I stood in front of the mirror with sweat dripping down my face, and I knew I had to change what was going on inside,” he said the next spring. “So I started talking. Out loud. ‘You are not losing this match,’ I said to myself. ‘You are not losing this match.’ I started out a little tentative, but my voice got louder. ‘You are not going to let this one slip. This is your time.’

“At first, I felt a bit weird, but I felt something change inside me. I was surprised by my response. I knew I could win.”

He did not say whether he used the toilet.

The rules are simple; their enforcement is tricky. At Grand Slam events, women are allowed two bathroom breaks during their three-set matches. In men’s singles, with five-set matches, three breaks are allowed.

“A player is allowed to request permission to leave the court for a reasonable time for a toilet break/change of attire break (women’s events),” the Grand Slam tournament rule book reads. “Toilet breaks should be taken on a set break and can be used for no other purpose. Change of attire breaks (women’s events) must be taken on a set break.”

Subsequent breaks, or breaks in the middle of a set, can be requested, but the player might be subject to penalties if the break lasts longer than 90 seconds. Ana Ivanovic was docked four points for a break during a tournament in 2010 in Austria.

The breaks are not a new phenomenon, just one that seems to be more regularly employed at key moments.

“I can tell you I abused the rule once or twice myself,” said Pam Shriver, who won 22 Grand Slam doubles titles (one mixed) and was ranked as high as third in singles. “More when I lost composure. Not so much in a major. Wimbledon, I wouldn’t think of doing it. But a couple of times at tour events where I was tired and burned out and emotional and I just needed to collect myself, I used it.”

Roger Federer once used one to wait for the sun to move, after losing the first set of a 2010 Australian Open quarterfinal match against Nikolay Davydenko.

“When the sun comes from the side, the ball seems half the size and is just hard to hit,” Federer explained after rallying to win. “I never take toilet breaks. But I thought, Why not? I just hoped with every minute it took, the sun would move another centimeter.”

In a match that followed, Djokovic took a break against Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, an absence largely excused because Djokovic said he had to throw up.

Last year in Montreal, the Canadian Milos Raonic acknowledged that he took a bathroom break “to regroup.” During last year’s Wimbledon final against Marion Bartoli, Sabine Lisicki took a bathroom break after losing the first set, 6-1. She was unable to find her game or her composure and lost the second set.

At this year’s French Open final, Maria Sharapova won the first set against Simona Halep, lost the second, took a break and won the third.

Some see it as a way to slow down an opponent’s momentum. Venus and Serena Williams have reputations for taking bathroom breaks after warm-ups, creating a short delay before the match begins. Do they really have to use the toilet minutes after taking the court?

“I don’t think that the players would honestly say that they’re doing it on purpose to interfere with other players’ rhythm,” Djokovic said. “In the end of the day, it stays behind the doors in a way.”

Beyond gamesmanship, there might be other reasons for what seems to be a spike in trips to the bathroom. Players hydrate more than ever, including before and during a match, and some men’s Grand Slam matches last five sets and five hours. Still, women seem to use the breaks at least as often.

Logistics can be tricky. Tournaments are played across a dozen or more courts scattered over many acres. Players may not be familiar with where to find relief.

Wimbledon has a written plan for each court, given to all chair umpires, telling them where the nearest bathroom is. Officials declined to share it.

The plan at the United States Open is not so secret. “Courts 4-10 will be taken in the public bathrooms under Court 7,” the instructions read. In capital letters, it adds: “If Court 7 ladies restrooms blocked, please take the ladies to media entrance and go into media center and to the left.” Players on several other courts are directed to a bathroom under Court 11, through a door marked “court attendants.” A key is required, and the player must return the key to the attendant. “Make sure the player takes his/her credential,” the instructions read.

In all cases, tournament officials said, players must be accompanied to the bathroom, usually by a predetermined line judge.

There are concerns that players could do something illegal — receive coaching advice by someone along the way, watch video or trade text messages on a smartphone inside the stall, even inject themselves with an illegal substance.

Nowhere, however, are there rules or instructions for the one person who must sit through an entire match without the benefit of sweating out fluids: the chair umpire.

At Wimbledon in 2010, when John Isner and Nicolas Mahut played a match lasting more than 11 hours, divided over three days, they were lauded for their endurance and their ability to control their emotions — and bladders.

In the fading light of an impossibly long second day, Isner called a bathroom break at 58-58. Mahut followed. They each returned to win a service game and called it a night.

The chair umpire, Mohamed Lahyani, took no break.

“A few people have asked me how I managed to get through seven hours of tennis without using the toilet,” he said as part of a retrospective of the match by The Telegraph of London in 2011. “But when you are into the game and so focused, you don’t have time to think about food and drinks.”

Instead, as Isner and Mahut were off using the toilet — no one checked to make sure they actually did — the umpire sat in his chair, waiting amid the din of the crowd for his company to return.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/04/s...thers-use-bathroom-trips-to-regroup.html?_r=0
 

70後

Hall of Fame
Julia Goerges took a post warm up toilet break and spent SEVENTEEN minutes removing her leggings before returning on court to play Eugenie Bouchard at RG 2R. 17 minutes just to take her pants off!
 

Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
Julia Goerges took a post warm up toilet break and spent SEVENTEEN minutes removing her leggings before returning on court to play Eugenie Bouchard at RG 2R. 17 minutes just to take her pants off!

Del Potro took a shower and put on fresh clothes during a bathroom break at the AO this year. :lol:
 

Mr.Lob

G.O.A.T.
Players must be accompanied by a line judge to the bathroom? They go in the stall with them? Weird.
 

bigserving

Hall of Fame
Players are not allowed to receive coaching or get any medical treatment during a bathroom break. An umpire will escort them to make sure that does not happen.
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
As long as the bathroom break is taken between sets and does not exceed the stipulated time between sets, I don't see why this should be an issue. Call out the ones which are taken in between games or exceed the allowed time. To talk about legal and illegal ones in the same breath and brand all of them as gamesmanship is stupid.
 

TheMusicLover

G.O.A.T.
As long as the bathroom break is taken between sets and does not exceed the stipulated time between sets, I don't see why this should be an issue. Call out the ones which are taken in between games or exceed the allowed time. To talk about legal and illegal ones in the same breath and brand all of them as gamesmanship is stupid.

Yep. I don't see the issue here either.
In stead of making a fuss out of nothing, rather concentrate on those occasions where rules are actually broken, i.e. time wasting and on-court coaching.

Oh, and ladies who need more than 15 minutes to get rid of their leggings should inmediately be defaulted from the match. Not because of the bathroom break but because of showing up at the match too late.
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
Del Potro took a shower and put on fresh clothes during a bathroom break at the AO this year. :lol:

I see cheaters have one thing in common. They all beat Fed in a GS final.

That's why Fed gets so upset vs those guys. He hates cheating. Remember USO final? Or all those finals vs Rafa? Fed always got upset.

That is the problem of Murray and the gang, they aren't mentally tough to cheat in a GS final.
 

Kalin

Legend
Next time Julia Goerges needs help in removing her pants I volunteer to help! No need to waste the umpires' precious efforts...
 

Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
Yep. I don't see the issue here either.
In stead of making a fuss out of nothing, rather concentrate on those occasions where rules are actually broken, i.e. time wasting and on-court coaching.

Oh, and ladies who need more than 15 minutes to get rid of their leggings should inmediately be defaulted from the match. Not because of the bathroom break but because of showing up at the match too late.

As long as the bathroom break is in the allotted time, I don't think there is anything wrong with it even if the player just goes in to look at themselves in the mirror or regain composure. For me, it is similar to when you are taking a standardized exam with multiple sections. After each section, you are offered a bathroom break, but you can decline and keep moving through the exam. If you do everything in 2-3 minutes, I don't see whats wrong with it.
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
Yep. I don't see the issue here either.
In stead of making a fuss out of nothing, rather concentrate on those occasions where rules are actually broken, i.e. time wasting and on-court coaching.

Exactly. It is trivializing the real cases of gamesmanship and strategic breaks to disrupt momentum at important points during a match. Like take a bathroom break before someone serves for a set or a match. The author should have done basic research to understand the rules before painting all of them with the same brush and displaying his ignorance. Yeah, and let us hear some talk about the clear cases of rule breaking like in the instances you quoted.

Oh ! And the author clearly seems to have an agenda. Nadal took a bathroom break after losing the first set in 2-3 matches of his and the author's sub statement in the headline says "Federer, Raonic and others use bathroom break to regroup" :lol: I mean really ?
 
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Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
Errr, the bathroom breaks are never within the alowed time between sets. What are people here smoking? They come back before 120 seconds expire? Never! They are using the loophole called "reasonable time" and, especially the big name players, know they have the power to ignore the rules. The bathroom breaks are definately not a trivial matter. The toweling is also becoming excessive. If they shorten points by way of faster surfaces, all this will go away. 3 shots, why do you need to towel off? Make it a once per game thing.
 

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
Errr, the bathroom breaks are never within the alowed time between sets. What are people here smoking? They come back before 120 seconds expire? Never! They are using the loophole called "reasonable time" and, especially the big name players, know they have the power to ignore the rules. The bathroom breaks are definately not a trivial matter. The toweling is also becoming excessive. If they shorten points by way of faster surfaces, all this will go away. 3 shots, why do you need to towel off? Make it a once per game thing.

Because of this....

nadal-sweat_2495319k.jpg


Lol, for some people, once you start sweating and/or it is very hot, your gonna need the towel after every point....
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
Errr, the bathroom breaks are never within the alowed time between sets. What are people here smoking? They come back before 120 seconds expire? Never! They are using the loophole called "reasonable time" and, especially the big name players, know they have the power to ignore the rules. The bathroom breaks are definately not a trivial matter. The toweling is also becoming excessive. If they shorten points by way of faster surfaces, all this will go away. 3 shots, why do you need to towel off? Make it a once per game thing.

You think that if you sweat 4 hours that suddenly when you hit an ace you will stop sweating for a few seconds and won't need a towel?
 

Paul Murphy

Hall of Fame
Poor Rafa.
After just 52 minutes against Kyrgios the poor guy felt the need to go to the toilet.
I bet he really had to go after the end of the fourth set. :)

Some suspicious minds may suggest his toilet break at the end of the first was designed to break the momentum of Kyrgios.
If it was - it didn't work.
Too bad for Rafa - the king of clay ... and nothing else.
 
Errr, the bathroom breaks are never within the alowed time between sets. What are people here smoking? They come back before 120 seconds expire? Never! They are using the loophole called "reasonable time" and, especially the big name players, know they have the power to ignore the rules. The bathroom breaks are definately not a trivial matter. The toweling is also becoming excessive. If they shorten points by way of faster surfaces, all this will go away. 3 shots, why do you need to towel off? Make it a once per game thing.

this is right.....nadal takes way more than 2 minutes each time.as for the towelling off..ive never seen nadal go for the towel in the middle of a 40 shot rally so why every point?they can play when theyre sweating you know.
 
“It’s gotten completely out of hand,” said the former player John McEnroe, now a television analyst. “Most of the times, it’s when someone loses a set. Very rarely does it happen that you go out when you’re winning.”



... LOL!!! Hilarious coming from MoRonroe when his idol Nadal did it frequently during the Wimbledon championships.... and how many times did he voice his objection,or mention 'it's gotten completely out of hand' when he did so.


Hmmm...
 

Ralph

Hall of Fame
Thanks for posting Sid Vicious.

Great article, showing how it has been used by many as a tactic, not as intended.

I didn't quite understand Nadal's comment though, did he mean he went to the toilet to change his bandana and t-shirt?
 

Ralph

Hall of Fame
“It’s gotten completely out of hand,” said the former player John McEnroe, now a television analyst. “Most of the times, it’s when someone loses a set. Very rarely does it happen that you go out when you’re winning.”



... LOL!!! Hilarious coming from MoRonroe when his idol Nadal did it frequently during the Wimbledon championships.... and how many times did he voice his objection,or mention 'it's gotten completely out of hand' when he did so.


Hmmm...

I can't decide who Mac loves more; himself, or Nadal.
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
“It’s gotten completely out of hand,” said the former player John McEnroe, now a television analyst. “Most of the times, it’s when someone loses a set. Very rarely does it happen that you go out when you’re winning.”



... LOL!!! Hilarious coming from MoRonroe when his idol Nadal did it frequently during the Wimbledon championships.... and how many times did he voice his objection,or mention 'it's gotten completely out of hand' when he did so.


Hmmm...

Knowing him and the tone of his Nadal-fanboying commentary , I am surprised he didn't say something like "Nadal should be allowed to go to the bathroom after every game if he wants, after all he sells tickets and he is a fighter".
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
I didn't quite understand Nadal's comment though, did he mean he went to the toilet to change his bandana and t-shirt?
Ralph got confused with Toni's signals. He was being told to change his return position during the Kyrgios match, but got that mixed up with some previous instruction.
 
It should never go "out of hand" when you take a bathroom break. You don't want to spray the walls. Unless you are Bruce Bigolo :)



LOL!!!


''Well son,it looks like I've got some work to do'' (after peering in the men's cubicle)

... then later on eats his small birthday cake and lick his fingers



Yaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!! :) :)
 

m2nk2

Hall of Fame
I remember Raonic when he took an 8 minute bathroom break after losing 2nd set in Montreal against Pospisil.

He came back and won third set. Later he admitted that he didn't actually use the toilet and that it was just to get the momentum off of his opponent.
 
Why not have a portable loo planted right on Centre Court and in the shape and colour of the '****IS'.Every time a player takes a 'potty break' and walks into the door the sound effects kick in ;)
 

woodrow1029

Hall of Fame
The men get 2 bathroom breaks during a 5 set match, not 3.

Also, when Isner and Mahut went to the toilet, they were accompanied by line umpires.
 

Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
You think that if you sweat 4 hours that suddenly when you hit an ace you will stop sweating for a few seconds and won't need a towel?

Did you fall and hit your head then got up and thought toweling after each point has been around forever? How about asking the general public if it wants 2 hours of Grade A tennis or 4-6 hours of "insert the usual"? I know what I'd choose and I am voicing that opinion here. If you want people to take more than 20/25 seconds between points, just say it.
 

Pete.Sampras.

Semi-Pro
I think a toilet break is always okay, even if you just do it to have a mental restart similar to Djokovic in the Wimbledon final. There's no way for anyone to tell whether the player needs to go to the toilet or not, so just let him/her go if he/she needs to. A few minutes should be fine. Sometimes it just takes a bit longer you know.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
I remember Raonic when he took an 8 minute bathroom break after losing 2nd set in Montreal against Pospisil.

He came back and won third set. Later he admitted that he didn't actually use the toilet and that it was just to get the momentum off of his opponent.
This is the 2nd case of Raonic showing bad sportsmanship (I think there was a incident where the ball hit him or his racquet and he denied it (until after the match). Losing respect for him.

..toweling after each point... forever...take more than 20/25 seconds between points...
You're one of the more solid posters here but very wrong on this one. a) the more physical nature of tennis and the fact that points last longer is the reason for the players needing to towel off. Sorry, Johnny Mac didn't run that much (but he sure did stall and complain to change momentum on countless occasions). b) you offer no proof that every time they exceed the 20 or 25 - because there isn't any. Nadal has gotten better now that he deploys 2 towels at getting done much faster. And I don't think Djokovic and Fed went over 20 seconds at all in the final - but they went to the towel many times. And even if the toweling player does take more time, guess what? His opponent isn't down there holding his breath - so he's benefitting from the extra time too. This is a complete non-issue. As opposed to the extra long bathroom breaks.

And what's the rush? It's not like eliminating toweling off would save so much time that they could get another match in. And if it really bugs you, just DVR every match instead of watching live and ffwd through the 20 seconds.
 
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