Australia said no to Tsitsipas

[ST VINCENT FAN]

Given Greece is a nation where a lot of people make their own jobs, and the fact of a 40% youth unemployment rate, where exactly do they apply for a job?

Greeks have moreover had their pensions confiscated from them so you are also trading on information over a decade old and yet you go on and on.

You blow in and out of the country for cheap holidays and expect the locals to worship you and, guess what, they don't. You don't live there and you you don't understand.

Blow in for cheap holidays ...... you're making a lot of assumptions about me without knowing squat or where I come from.

I have my business in Athens, I go and work in Greece every year, I have a Greek passport and apart from my parents and siblings, every other relative I have on this Earth is in Greece.

40% unemployment is due to the fact that the Greek youth that are educated (which is most of them) will NOT consider a job that is below them, they will not wait tables, they will not work on the farm, they will not be cleaners BUT all the immigrants have jobs? Because they're willing to do the work that the Greek youth turn their nose up at.

I own my own property in Greece, have a Greek tax file number and pay my Greek taxes.

Pensions have been cut but still exist as this is all most people over the age of 50 are living off, that's how all my elderly relatives that have been retired since 45 are still living off of today, what are you on about that I'm trading off of information that is a decade old??

I'm speaking from first hand encounters, if you don't want to except it that's fine but it's you that is going on and on.

 

[ST VINCENT FAN]

Given that Australian-born Melbourne Greeks would barrack for Tsitsipas even against a Lleyton Hewitt, it suits their preferences as dual nationals for him to be Greek.

Most people don't like Lleyton unless he's talking badly about Bernard, then everyone falls back in love with him.

 

[Bartelby]

I have heard this position many times. Right-wing Melbourne Greeks regularly endorse it. You go to Greece for one to two months a year, on you own admission. This is not street cred!

Blow in for cheap holidays ...... you're making a lot of assumptions about me without knowing squat or where I come from.

I have my business in Athens, I go and work in Greece every year, I have a Greek passport and apart from my parents and siblings, every other relative I have on this Earth is in Greece.

40% unemployment is due to the fact that the Greek youth that are educated (which is most of them) will NOT consider a job that is below them, they will not wait tables, they will not work on the farm, they will not be cleaners BUT all the immigrants have jobs? Because they're willing to do the work that the Greek youth turn their nose up at.

I own my own property in Greece, have a Greek tax file number and pay my Greek taxes.

Pensions have been cut but still exist as this is all most people over the age of 50 are living off, that's how all my elderly relatives that have been retired since 45 are still living off of today, what are you on about that I'm trading off of information that is a decade old??

I'm speaking from first hand encounters, if you don't want to except it that's fine but it's you that is going on and on.

 

[Bartelby]

My point was that Australian-born Melbourne Greeks support Tsitsipas as a Greek so it doesn't matter to them that he doesn't play for Australia.

Most people don't like Lleyton unless he's talking badly about Bernard, then everyone falls back in love with him.

 

[Mainad]

Our? He spent his formative years in Spain. His playing style gives him away. He's not a Brit "product"

He spent 2 years in Spain, much less time than someone like Nishikori spent in the US (and still does). Are you going to argue that he is not Japanese? Try telling that in Japan!

 

[ST VINCENT FAN]

My point was that Australian-born Melbourne Greeks support Tsitsipas as a Greek so it doesn't matter to them that he doesn't play for Australia.

Yeah I get that, what matters and the whole point of this thread was that Tennis Australia let a good one get away.

 

[ST VINCENT FAN]

I have heard this position many times. Right-wing Melbourne Greeks regularly endorse it. You go to Greece for one to two months a year, on you own admission. This is not street cred!

I'm going to leave this here, I've given my opinion.

 

[EloQuent]

He spent 2 years in Spain, much less time than someone like Nishikori spent in the US (and still does). Are you going to argue that he is not Japanese? Try telling that in Japan!

Forget Nishikori, there is another Japanese player who grew up in the US....

 

[Bartelby]

Talent scouting is the first step in a long process, and even the Federer family thought about coming to Austalia at one stage.

Yeah I get that, what matters and the whole point of this thread was that Tennis Australia let a good one get away.

 

[-snake-]

He spent 2 years in Spain, much less time than someone like Nishikori spent in the US (and still does). Are you going to argue that he is not Japanese? Try telling that in Japan!

Eh? And when did I say he is like Glassi or Sharapova? You'd have to be blind not to see the (boring) influence the Spanish style had on his game. I wasn't implying he isn't from the UK. Chill out.

 

[DRII]

Guess you all missing important point talking about those taxes.
Government in Serbia is corrupt and bureaucracy has grown out of proportion. System is flawed and it shouldn't be nurtured by taxes of hard working people. It has to collapse.
Novak is smart enough to distribute money where he wants and in his own terms, mainly through his foundation. Don't forget he gave all his prize money from winning Rome Matsers to flooded areas in Serbia.
Novak isn't first nor last who has residence in tax free country, and it is more honest way than to do things like Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi, Luka Modric, late Pavarotti, Nicolas Cage, Dolce and Gabanna, Lauryn Hill, Wesley Snipes, Boris Becker, Pamela Anderson, Sophia Loren, Chuck Berry, Shakira, Lindsay Lohan, Judy Garland, Martin Luther King, Keith Richards, Martin Scorsese, Val Kilmer, Ingmar Bergman, Andre Agassi, Nina Simone, Osbourne family, Robert Downey Jr., Lionel Richie....to name few who weren't very keen on paying their taxes and were caught and fined.

uh, don't you dare put MLK (a couple days after MLK day no less) in the same category of those others you mentioned, including Djokovic!

 

[DRII]

I can't agree more with this. Not that I want to bash the western world but it sucks for it's so materialistic. Everything turns around money. Those fine young talented athletes who have little in sense of financial means cannot break through there.

yea ok, bro

you're living in a dream world if you think Djokovic somehow grew up poor and underserved!

 

[Mainad]

Eh? And when did I say he is like Glassi or Sharapova? You'd have to be blind not to see the (boring) influence the Spanish style had on his game. I wasn't implying he isn't from the UK. Chill out.

Well you did seem to take exception when I referred to him as "our" Andy. Did you want the Spaniards to claim him as well??

 

[DRII]

No, they are lazy, they admit it themselves, there is no shame, they are actually proud of it, it's just the way it is. I'm from Greek immigrant parents and see the difference between how hard everyone that left works in comparison to what's it's like back home.

For this reason I can't get over how well Tsitsipas has done coming from Greece and that attitude, I say well done to him and I'm behind him 100%

I think he would be even further developed if he had come to Australia, he wouldn't have slacked off as being an immigrant with hard work ethics already in place, he would of benefited with being able to hit and train with Nick, Thanasi and all the rest of the Aussie crew, I think it's a huge loss for Australia to have let him slip through their fingers when he was on offer.

almost all immigrants work hard. it takes a certain type of person and personality to take the risk to move from their homeland, particularly those who do it by choice, but an uncomfortable choice vs those with lots of means who move out of greed ie moving to a tax haven to avoid paying their fair share ie like Djokovic!

 

[DRII]

There are countries that simply do that - they are buying intelectuals, engineers, great sport talents, they are acting as landlord who has the right to pick most beautiful fruits you have raised in your garden and not paying you a penny. Such is USA, GB, Australia, even Slovenia offered Djokovic citizenship. And I am always glad to see when they misshit.

again, your view is misguided.

these 'fruits' as you describe it, want to move from their home countries or at least contemplated it themselves.

so enough with the 'evil capitalists' montra w/o assigning any responsibility to those who immigrate.

 

[DRII]

You can love your country without loving or trusting its government. Look at how much help he gave for the floods in Serbia.

this kind of attitude allows for the rich and privileged to be too selfish was still maintaining the guise of national pride.

 

[-snake-]

Well you did seem to take exception when I referred to him as "our" Andy. Did you want the Spaniards to claim him as well??

Nah. I was only referring to his playing style, not his nationality/upbringing/whatever. That's "the product". And about ADM, that's a can of worms some Oz guys have opened already. I honestly don't give a crahp about it, but I feel it's a little fake. Like AZ being "German".

 

[OldschoolKIaus]

Nice intro german hip hop

 

[DRII]

Greek youth have an unemployment rate of over 40%

They go to you Uni, get a degree and then can't find jobs in their chosen fields, ***** about it and will NOT consider doing anything that would be considered beneath their qualification, they sit in the coffee shops all day long and live off of their parents pensions.

Youth unemployment in Greece: https://www.statista.com/statistics/812053/youth-unemployment-rate-in-greece/

Why do all Greeks that I encounter say "why should I pay my taxes when my neighbour doesn't, I'll pay them when everyone else pays them"

This is the reality that I see and hear around me when I'm there, people in the shops talk about it, older generations ***** about it (and these are the ones that all retired at 45 and lived of government pensions ever since) and the young ones laugh about why should they work if they don't need to.

I haven't formed my opinion from out of the air, I own my own home there, I pay taxes there and I know what's going on around me when I'm there.

this is why a strong 'rule of law' tradition and practice is so important, although it has its downsides.

even with our current and horrible administration, America's legal institutions and firewalls are holding steady (steady enough).

 

[DRII]

Given that Australian-born Melbourne Greeks would barrack for Tsitsipas even against a Lleyton Hewitt, it suits their preferences as dual nationals for him to be Greek.

'barrack'???

 

[DRII]

He spent 2 years in Spain, much less time than someone like Nishikori spent in the US (and still does). Are you going to argue that he is not Japanese? Try telling that in Japan!

i consider Osaka to be American.

she also looks just like my cousin when she was younger, so there...

 

[Red Rick]

Obviously everything else would stay the same

Butterfly effect is a thing

 

[TennisBro]

yea ok, bro

you're living in a dream world if you think Djokovic somehow grew up poor and underserved!

Nooo, just not so entitled

 

[Mainad]

i consider Osaka to be American.

she also looks just like my cousin when she was younger, so there...

From her Wiki entry:

"Although Osaka was largely raised in the United States, François decided that his daughters would represent Japan. Osaka's parents have said that, "We made the decision that Naomi would represent Japan at an early age. She was born in Osaka and was brought up in a household of Japanese and Haitian culture. Quite simply, Naomi and her sister Mari have always felt Japanese so that was our only rationale. It was never a financially motivated decision nor were we ever swayed either way by any national federation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Osaka

 

[Bartelby]

It's an informal British English word used often enough where I live. It means 'support' in this context.

'barrack'???

 

[OhYes]

uh, don't you dare put MLK (a couple days after MLK day no less) in the same category of those others you mentioned, including Djokovic!

Ok consider MLK out.
Now what ?

 

[OhYes]

again, your view is misguided.

these 'fruits' as you describe it, want to move from their home countries or at least contemplated it themselves.

so enough with the 'evil capitalists' montra w/o assigning any responsibility to those who immigrate.

Why do they want to do it ? Those countries approach to players with offers, it is really hard to say no.

 

[ibbi]

It's alright, they have Bernie, Nico and the Kokk

 

[Deleted member 688153]

this kind of attitude allows for the rich and privileged to be too selfish was still maintaining the guise of national pride.

So if you love your country you must reside in it for tax purposes, even if you disagree with the government? I don't think it's as simple as that, although I'm also not suggesting that Djokovic isn't trying to minimise his tax bill for his own reasons too.

I wouldn't criticise someone who loves the USA if they tried to minimise their taxes payable to the US government. You only need to look at how poorly much of it is spent (in Australia and the UK too, not just picking on the USA) to see why someone, even someone patriotic, would seek to do that.

 

[Sudacafan]

Greek tennis is waiting to get slaughtered tonight. Enjoy the moment.

You proved to be the Supreme Pythoness.
Now you can go change your avatar.

 

[MugOpponent]

With prodigies like Tomic and Kyrgios in the fold, couldn't blame them.

 

[Zara]

You proved to be the Supreme Pythoness.
Now you can go change your avatar.

I shall change it to certified Nadal fan.

 

[mistik]

He would concentrate more on who bang who stuff instead of focusing on his own life and career.

 

[Deleted member 629564]

Last year while watching The Daily Serve (preview show for Grand Slams we have here on one of our cable channels) Wally Masur who is head of performance at Tennis Australia admitted he "dropped the ball" regarding Tsitsipas.

He explained that the Tsitsipas family had expressed interest in moving from the economically crippled Greece for a better future for the whole family and having Stefanos train and play for Australia.

Wally went to Athens to see the 16 year old Tsitsipas to see if he was worth the investment for Tennis Australa, he felt that Tsitsipas was an ok 16 year old but didn't feel he possessed what it took to be a top player so Wally Masur said no to Tsitsipas and the rest is history.

Good old Tennis Australia, always on the money.

Bittersweet.

 

[Fabresque]

“Economically crippled”.

What, in Germany’s eyes? They’re richer than every other country in the region 5 times over.