What is is not necessarily good!
Even a person as certain about things as you must agree with that? No?
It's as good as it's good for fathers to do so. No more, no less.
Azarenka Could Miss U.S. Open Because Of Custody Issues
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It's as good as it's good for fathers to do so. No more, no less.
You would make threads on online forums to berate him. That'll show him
newpball
Legend
Right, men and woman are really the same right?
There is absolutely no difference between them!
Tennis_Hands
Banned
I am not fully surprised it is inadequate for you!
Well, since you made no effort to explain your position on how the situation should be resolved if the women want to have a career and a baby, I guess it will remain inadequate for me.
Good luck with looking after your future kids (as I am sure that you don't have any).
Men and women are equally capable of parenting children.Right, men and woman are really the same right?
There is absolutely no difference between them!
newpball
Legend
Well, I suppose I never can tell what the future will bring, so in case of, thanks for the heartily good wishes!
newpball
Legend
I think children need to be raised by both a mother and a father, and their combined capability will make this happen.
However I think the mother is more capable than the father when it comes to caring for babies.
I know thousands of modernists shout discrimination when it comes to the lack of male nannies in the world!
Oh wait.....
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
You don't know s**t about me.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Lol no
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
Why does a mother that just had a baby travel the world to play tennis?
A mother needs to be home with her baby!
And a father needs to do what exactly besides contributing his genetic material ?
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
I think children need to be raised by both a mother and a father, and their combined capability will make this happen.
However I think the mother is more capable than the father when it comes to caring for babies.
Wrong. I've seen instances when fathers can be better/more capable than mothers in caring for babies.
This myth of mothers being better is perpetuated because oh well, they were not left with much choice and not too many fathers were willing to take on caring for babies. Women aren't born with any special skills in child care any more than men.
newpball
Legend
Certainly some mothers are less capable, they could be on drugs, or dealing with a gambling or alcohol addiction, extreme career types, etc.
Of course in those cases the father would have to do the best he can.
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
Certainly some mothers are less capable, they could be on drugs, or dealing with a gambling or alcohol addiction, extreme career types, etc.
Of course in those cases the father would have to do the best he can.
*Face palm* .
There are completely sobre, non-drug addict, non "extreme career" type women who aren't wired to care of a child better than the father.
For eg, the mother may have grown up as a single child and not been around children much while the father may have grown in a large family taking care of younger siblings.
newpball
Legend
I disagree, they are!
How about you inform yourself about paternal versus maternal care in apes?
newpball
Legend
Yes I know, there are some women that are different, bless their hearts, something happened with their wiring, not their fault!
Tennis_Hands
Banned
I disagree, they are!
How about you inform yourself about paternal versus maternal care in apes?
Well that substantive response sure knocked the wind out of me.
Newpball, babies do nothing but eat, sleep and have their diapers changed. The only woman-specific skill involved is breastfeeding, for couples that forego formula.
No, women do not have the magic touch when it comes to diaper changing. Or bottle feeding. Or getting the kid to sleep. So Azarenka is no less entitled to resume her career than Federer or Djokovic were.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
I am so going to laugh when Serena comes back after she gives birth.
Already looking forward to some people's poasts.
Already looking forward to some people's poasts.
She's going to be such a bad mother!I am so going to laugh when Serena comes back after she gives birth.
Already looking forward to some people's poasts.
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
I applaud your patience, I figured there was no point arguing with a 12 y. o on this topic and stopped.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Try telling that to a judge who deals in such matters! There is an overwhelming cultural preference for keeping children with women. It could just be simple prejudice, but is it entirely?
I don't need to 'try' it. I'm a lawyer and I worked at an org that practiced family law. Distorted popular perceptions aside, shared physical and legal custody is norm in the United States.
And as someone who recently gave birth, yes, it is a cultural prejudice. One that, incidentally, reinforces itself. How can my partner bond with the baby the way I am able to when, unlike me, he gets no parental leave because employers don't see it fit to offer leave to men and women on equal terms?
And as someone who recently gave birth, yes, it is a cultural prejudice. One that, incidentally, reinforces itself. How can my partner bond with the baby the way I am able to when, unlike me, he gets no parental leave because employers don't see it fit to offer leave to men and women on equal terms?
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Breaking: Following the relationship between Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal turning abusive this year - with Mr. Federer allegedly beating Mr. Nadal on three seperate occasions - both have now filed for sole custody of the US Open trophy.
Court date set for early September.
Court date set for early September.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
It's going on right now in my own family, and three grandchildren are suffering from the whole situation...The blind leading the blind man.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
It could just simply be her lifestyle/work. Because she travels so much for work and isn't able to be in the same place for more than a few weeks at a time, then that could be extremely problematic to the development of the child, and I doubt it's terribly practical to bring a small child under 2-3 years of age with you as you travel and play 25-30 different tournaments during the year. While the vast majority of custody cases ultimately end up going to the mother, there are special kinds of exemptions or cases in which the father is deemed the more suitable parent to raise the child.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
Might have been festering for a while, and ultimately came to a boil then. Relationships can be like that sometimes. People dance around the giant elephant in the room for a while before they deal with it. Not to mention some people can be cray cray. Not that I'm suggesting either Azarenka or her ex-are, but who knows what might have happened between them, or did happen.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
Except that the vast majority of mothers probably work no more than 1 hour away from their homes, so they get to home at night and see their child, and should anything come up, they can leave work and attend to the child. When you're in an entirely different city playing a tournament, you really don't have that luxury.
Which is why Azarenka wanted the child to travel to New York with her and will not go now that the father refuses to agree to the travel.
He didn't get custody; custody determinations have yet to be made. She simply cannot travel out of state with the child without his consent.
Far from odd that the court would require that he be in agreement with the travel. He's the fellow parent after all. I'm pretty certain the requirement runs both ways.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
I was talking about custody, not just travel though.
newpball
Legend
Sure biology does not count in the imaginary worlds concocted by social justice warriors.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Sure biology does not count in the imaginary worlds concocted by social justice warriors.
Well, you convinced me.
There are people that have the same mental capacity and would have the same behavioural patterns.
fedtennisphan
Hall of Fame
She going to miss the AO, not might. Her American ex doesn’t want her to live the US with their son that’s what the court’s decision is. Vika tried to take a WC into Auckland for what? to force the court’s hand. She will properly have to retire because for whatever reason no decision has been made for custody of their son.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
No one--not you, or those who "liked" your post--know anything about the woman. Yet some of the same have defended players with the worst personal actions (and crimes) played out in their personal lives.
Not a surprise.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Biology counts, but it is only destiny in the imaginary worlds concocted by the Christian sharia.
Sure biology does not count in the imaginary worlds concocted by social justice warriors.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Evolutionary theory is now press-ganged into reactionary causes, I see.
I disagree, they are!
How about you inform yourself about paternal versus maternal care in apes?
fedtennisphan
Hall of Fame
With her not being American is the reason she is not allowed to leave the US with their son.
Slightly D1
Professional
I feel bad for the kid to be in this situation but I am glad the father is fighting for his right to have fair custody. From my limited knowledge of the issue its seems that Azarenka wants free range to take the kid and then essentially have the father at the mercy of her own decisions on whether he could see the child which is wrong due to a lack of legal ability to claim any custody back.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Maybe, but in many countries you need the consent of both parents to take a child out of the country, regardless of nationality.
Not being an American would weigh on a judge's mind in terms of an assessment of her likelihood of returning with the child.
Not being an American would weigh on a judge's mind in terms of an assessment of her likelihood of returning with the child.
Fedinkum
Legend
Bukmeikara
Legend
My opinion is based on what I have seen from her from interviews and on court behavior. I am not claiming that this is 100% true and I am not forcing my thoughts on anyone. And speaking about defending worse people, Azarenka is constanly bragging about something and abusing the rules. Not to mention her screaming which is affecting a lot of her opponents.
jarko111
Hall of Fame
It just sucks because she is ready to play. Not injured. Would be a factor at big events, you'd assume. But time is no longer on her side as an aging pro. She will have to contemplate retirement. I think there are only two tournaments in California she could play. She is in California with this litigation, correct? If she is in Florida there is only Miami Open.
If she took her kid to another state that would be kidnapping.
Custody battles in the courts with people whose jobs don't require them to be in a different country every other week is hard and long enough. This will be messy for years.
Typically and I do say typically the average single mother doesn't have to deal with any of this. We all know the father-less statistics ... but this father means business.
If she took her kid to another state that would be kidnapping.
Custody battles in the courts with people whose jobs don't require them to be in a different country every other week is hard and long enough. This will be messy for years.
Typically and I do say typically the average single mother doesn't have to deal with any of this. We all know the father-less statistics ... but this father means business.
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Tennis_Hands
Banned
Stretchy Man
Professional
Apparently her "partner" saw that a bit differently at some point, no?
No, I think the screaming would have had an affect on him too.