Best version of Djokovic to lose in USO Final?
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
Probably 2012 due to being the closest scoreline. And his great level pre-final.
After that, probably 2010 comes second.
After that, probably 2010 comes second.
lrdrdy
Rookie
Why did he lose the 2012 final, I never really hear about that one.
Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
2013. He had all the Mojo from 2011 and was a boba fide ATG.
2010 Nole was basically still the third wheel.
2010 Nole was basically still the third wheel.
2013 Djokovic was a mental midget due to RG and many slam F loses but 2013 was his best level physically and he shouldn’t of lost the way he did.
He has 0-40 on Nadal serve at 4-4 in the 3rd lost the game and won 1 more game the whole match.
2016 he was awful.
2010. He was good but Nadal was the better player.
2021 Not the best but Med played well.
2007 good fight but Fed was better player than him.
2012. Shouldn’t be losing that
He has 0-40 on Nadal serve at 4-4 in the 3rd lost the game and won 1 more game the whole match.
2016 he was awful.
2010. He was good but Nadal was the better player.
2021 Not the best but Med played well.
2007 good fight but Fed was better player than him.
2012. Shouldn’t be losing that
goldengate14
Professional
2010. He was playing flawless tennis and just ran into Nadal possibly playig some of the greatest tennis in the Majors ever seen. 2007 he was still a puppy.
goldengate14
Professional
2012 should not be losing? Why?
That Djokovic was better than Murray. Also after the 3rd and 4th it seemed he would win easily.
Overall Murray deserved it but I feel Djokovic shouldn’t be losing that
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
2013 is definitely not the best LMAO
please go watch this match and then tell me you still believe it is. It was Gilles Simon AO '16 level of error fest.
I chose 2012. If not for that wind... Although not really an excuse, just not very clutch in 1st and 2nd set, but overall he played the best in '12 IMO. Murray was quite clutch and good in this one. The wind really threw off Djoko's clean ballstriking and some uncharacteristic errors crept in on big points, where Djokovic looked visibly deterred by the bounce due to the wind. Credit to Murray tho.
2010 he fought well but fell apart physically. Federer in SFs vs. Youzhny in SFs showed vs. Nadal.
please go watch this match and then tell me you still believe it is. It was Gilles Simon AO '16 level of error fest.
I chose 2012. If not for that wind... Although not really an excuse, just not very clutch in 1st and 2nd set, but overall he played the best in '12 IMO. Murray was quite clutch and good in this one. The wind really threw off Djoko's clean ballstriking and some uncharacteristic errors crept in on big points, where Djokovic looked visibly deterred by the bounce due to the wind. Credit to Murray tho.
2010 he fought well but fell apart physically. Federer in SFs vs. Youzhny in SFs showed vs. Nadal.
goldengate14
Professional
Djokovic is such a class act to this day he has never mentioned an injury issue but i am sure he had a leg problem the final set if memory serves me right. Ironically after this years Us Open that 5th set was preceded by an extended toilet break.
Injuries are frustrating.
The one i feel he was robbed was 2016. Basically he was undercooked due to 3 of his opponents retiring in matches against him. I like wawrinka but i actually do not think he is the albatross for Novak people make him out to be.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
2012 clearly .
That loss was the most unexpected one .
07- Fed Goat mode Vs third wheel kid
10- Third wheel + Marathon semis vs Fed
13 - Mentally weak because of RG 13 , same thing happened to Federer at WB 2008 + Nadal in top form in 2013 .
16- was sick throughout tournament , bleeding toe + Stan the man .
21- Meddy better player .
That loss was the most unexpected one .
07- Fed Goat mode Vs third wheel kid
10- Third wheel + Marathon semis vs Fed
13 - Mentally weak because of RG 13 , same thing happened to Federer at WB 2008 + Nadal in top form in 2013 .
16- was sick throughout tournament , bleeding toe + Stan the man .
21- Meddy better player .
Don’t think he had a injury just think it was cramps so it’s up too the players to not cramp so Murray deserved that way. No matter what it was the 5th set he was hampered no doubt.
2016 version was a poor Djokovic. Draw falling apart aside he was awful and that Wawrinka was the worst one he faced yet he still lost.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
At the end of 2013, Djokovic had 6 slams, which does prove he was an ATG at that time, but just barely. In the Becker/Edberg league of ATG's. That would change...
goldengate14
Professional
Yes Wawrinka was error prone that day
Well that was because he only hit his elite level in 2011.
In 2010 after the USO he was 1-2 in slam finals and 23. Too get too 6 by 26 was a great achievement
I bet that Wawrinka couldn’t believe his luck as RG 15 he peaked and his level AO 14 was great with AO13 being his best, US16 he didn’t play well at all and still won
goldengate14
Professional
Wawrinka a solid 5th the last era behind fedalovic and Murray but i do feel Del Potro was a better player.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
2007 was a bit choke-y and he wasn't super good anyway
2010 was actually a perfectly solid performance; not much bad with it but of course his game wasn't as refined as it would be in 2011
2012 was really, really good pre-final, but his final performance was pretty crap; however, this was largely the fault of the windy conditions
2013 was quite choke-y and he was downright bad for some stretches; still pretty good overall but not that great
2016 was kinda bad; Stan didn't really have to bring a godly level or anything in that match
2021 goes without saying
I think the answer's 2010, followed by 2013, 2012, 2007, 2016, and 2021 in that order I think.
2010 was actually a perfectly solid performance; not much bad with it but of course his game wasn't as refined as it would be in 2011
2012 was really, really good pre-final, but his final performance was pretty crap; however, this was largely the fault of the windy conditions
2013 was quite choke-y and he was downright bad for some stretches; still pretty good overall but not that great
2016 was kinda bad; Stan didn't really have to bring a godly level or anything in that match
2021 goes without saying
I think the answer's 2010, followed by 2013, 2012, 2007, 2016, and 2021 in that order I think.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Too many failures. Shame on him.
2010 was his best performance if you look at it from his overall level perspective. In 2010 he wasn’t the player he is now and Nadal was having his best season. Nadal was just a better player than him.
07,10,21 are loses which is understandable but the other 3 are bad loses for me
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
Honestly, I think he was better in 2008 SF vs Fed than every match but 2010/2012.
have a look at that match if you want some epicness. To my eye it is the last truly GOAT level HC Slam Roger played. Also the court speed noticeably quicker and lower bouncing than the 2010s.
Tbh, I think the courts favored in Murray/Nadal/Nishikori/Stan’s favor moreso than Djokovic’s, although he is known as the king of slow hard. The high bounce takes a bit of venom off the usually lower bouncing BH shot that was so effective for him.
have a look at that match if you want some epicness. To my eye it is the last truly GOAT level HC Slam Roger played. Also the court speed noticeably quicker and lower bouncing than the 2010s.
Tbh, I think the courts favored in Murray/Nadal/Nishikori/Stan’s favor moreso than Djokovic’s, although he is known as the king of slow hard. The high bounce takes a bit of venom off the usually lower bouncing BH shot that was so effective for him.
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NoleFam
Bionic Poster
2012 obviously. He rolled through that tournament over Wawrinka, Del Potro and Ferrer and only lost one set before the final. His points dominance and games dominance was higher than Murray's that tournament and no way should he have lost that to anyone in the draw. Out of all his Slam final losses, that's the worst one because it's the one he definitely should have won.
lrdrdy
Rookie
Do you think if the weather was fair Djokovic would 100% win it? He and Murray played a very close match that year at AO, and Murray was in a good stretch of his career, maybe he would win even without the wind?
platypus50
Rookie
I would say 2010.
Nadal was just too good in the final with his aggressive groundstrokes and that serve (it was like a Sampras/Roddick hybrid just for that tournament), that was the best match on HC that Nadal has played against Djokovic so far.
Nadal was just too good in the final with his aggressive groundstrokes and that serve (it was like a Sampras/Roddick hybrid just for that tournament), that was the best match on HC that Nadal has played against Djokovic so far.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Hitman
Bionic Poster
2012, no doubt. Had he taken one of those two very tightly contested sets, he would have likely won it in four. Had to give kudos to Murray though, he was the better wind player, helped being from Scotland, and was in the form of his life during that period.
2010 is not his best version that lost, but he played to the best of his capabilities in that match, two different things.
2010 is not his best version that lost, but he played to the best of his capabilities in that match, two different things.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Murray's better wind play changed a lot of the momentum. First two sets were as tight as you can get and he lost them both, that hurt him.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
2012 and 2013 , he had no business losing those finals. Others are understandable. He should not have been in 2016 finals in the first place.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
2013 wasn't one of his best forms.
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
Excuses that I don’t like to give as a Djokovic fan (unlike most nadal fans here)
mike danny
Bionic Poster
You shouldn't say it was his best form just because he was in his prime.
nolefam_2024
G.O.A.T.
2013 was great Djokovic. He should not even have lost the third set. It was huge effort from Nadal to win that set and then he streamerolled. Fair play to Rafa for playing amazing.
2012 was close but the final was very weird with wind affecting the first 2 sets to that extent.
2012 was close but the final was very weird with wind affecting the first 2 sets to that extent.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Exactly. Nadal was crispy af and hadn't lost a HC match all year at that point. The excuses about 2013 are as stale as bread from September.
Turning Pro
Hall of Fame
Wow completely forgot about Nadal not losing a hc match till then. Don't think even peak Fed at Us open would have beat him then (imho, maybe 2004/2006 would go to 5).
P.S
2010 US open Nadal was probably even better. ( 2010 Serve wise, speed, aggression but groundies slight edge 2013...)
P.S.S
Djokovic 2013 was a better player than 2010 in the U.S finals and overall a much better player in general.
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MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Nadal was using variety to perfection in 2013 and he was super confident. Djokovic played better in Montreal, I'll say that, but Rafa still beat him. Everything was clicking, movement, FH, BH, slice, DTL-FH etc.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Don't let that spoil the narrative....
I guess Nadal must have been in truly peak form at RG 2009 right slap bang in the middle of his best time at the top, when Soderling hit him off the court, certainly cannot be anything more than that right?
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Nadal skipping AO and Miami, two tournaments where he has historically struggled played a part in that. His NA summer HC season deserves a lot of praise for sure, but the whole thing about him not losing a match all year until Djokovic took him out at Beijing doesn't take into account he missed his worst slam result wise, and a masters event that he is 0-5 in finals in.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
2013 - The great Djokovic lost to his pigeon Del Potro in IW, was blasted off the court in the only time he didn't reach the Miami final between 2011 and 2016 to old man Haas, choked away a match in epic fashion to his other pigeon Berdych in Rome, went into mental meltdown against Dimitrov in Madrid....laid a massive egg in the W final, getting crushed in straights in his only loss in a W final, loses to Isner in Cincinnati....but yeah, 2013 Djokovic was great.
Garro
Rookie
Hard to compare between 2010 and 2013. In 2010 Djokovic played to the best of his (then) abilities given his level and the emotional win over Fed in the semi's.
2013 Djokovic is obviously a much better player, but he just made so many errors in that match. 66 if I'm not mistaken which is more than he's made in any match against Nadal, save for their French Open match that same year which was a long 5 setter.
2013 Djokovic is obviously a much better player, but he just made so many errors in that match. 66 if I'm not mistaken which is more than he's made in any match against Nadal, save for their French Open match that same year which was a long 5 setter.
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Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
The Djokosmash gets memed but it let him down at crucial junctures in
2008 USO SF
2008 Olympics
2012 US Open (break point)
2013 Roland Garros
And that’s just off the top of my head I know there have been more as well.
nolefam_2024
G.O.A.T.
All the losses in 2013 do not make much difference. He lost many close matches but was in peak form. Reaching 3 finals in slams, winning AO and WTF, and only reason he didn't reach 4th final was because Nadal's ranking was down. He beat Wawrinka 2 times (second last time he beat Wawrinka in slam ever), Murray, in slams and his real problem that year was Nadal just like how he was the problem for Nadal. Without Nadal, he would have 3 slams and a final that year.2013 - The great Djokovic lost to his pigeon Del Potro in IW, was blasted off the court in the only time he didn't reach the Miami final between 2011 and 2016 to old man Haas, choked away a match in epic fashion to his other pigeon Berdych in Rome, went into mental meltdown against Dimitrov in Madrid....laid a massive egg in the W final, getting crushed in straights in his only loss in a W final, loses to Isner in Cincinnati....but yeah, 2013 Djokovic was great.
nolefam_2024
G.O.A.T.
In fact, Nadal's serving was nowhere near his 2010 level and Djokovic failed to take advantage of that whole 2013. It was how good Nadal was off the ground. He took that DTL fh and Djokovic didn't know how to deal with it.
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
In my opinion results are what they are. But giving excuses you are just undermining a legitimate victory of the opponent. But Djokovic worked his *** off, came back mentally strong and won the Wimbledon 2014. We all know about his golden run after that. Win or lose Everything is a lesson
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