You think that she skipped eight months for fun? I doubt it.This is just too funny.
Fun fact: multiple players can call fake MTO's and be drama queens. Everyone knows Caroline is and has a reputation. I never said she wasn't a drama queen. For some reason though, you can't bring yourself to question Bianca's and instead go after other players instead. Why?
Those stats don't change what Bianca did though does it??
Crying wolf:
call for help when it is not needed, with the effect that one is not believed when one really does need help.
I don’t believe all 5 of her MTO’s and the issue with that is, by the time it was real, nobody was buying it including Kerber. Pretty simple.
I’ve just found that she in fact took ANOTHER MTO in Auckland, this time against Babos in the 1R. And no it wasn’t for a shoulder injury. So that makes 6 MTO’s in 8 months. 5 times she went on to win the match, the other time playing matches days later and winning 4 of them.
In Auckland it was for a hip injury and then against Woz it was a back injury. She came good to win both matches and make the final and then qualify for the Australian open. Surely even you see how this is getting INCREDIBLY unbelievable? Surely.... 6 MTO’s in 8 months and winning 5 of those matches.
According to this list Wozniacki used 8 MTO before Aug 2017 in the same year.
Did Darcy say anything about this then?
Caroline Wozniacki:
(1) Sydney - 1 - Right Ankle vs Strycova
(2) Dubai - 1 - Left thigh vs Bondarenko
(3) Indian Wells - 2 - Right Ankle vs Keys &
(4) Indian Wells Right Ankle vs Mladenovic
(5) Miami - 1 - Right Ankle vs Konta
(6) Bastad - 1 - Right wrist vs Siniakova
(7) Niculescu in R1 of Madrid (shoulder)
(8) Heather Watson at the SF in Eastbourne (abdominal strain)
The most hilarious was Tsitsipas shoelaces issuesI love drama thats actually one of the reason why I am following WTA
She is not the only one who does it with MTO's. Yastremska does it too and many others. I think with time she will find out its unnecessary and she can win without it. Nadal did it too in early stages, Djokovic as well.
Injuries are a concern with someone so young... and God help her if she wins the U.S. Open, she'll just follow the example of other women who have won recent grand slams and then suddenly become mediocre....Stephens, Osaka, Barty, Ostapenko, Kerber sort of.
If Serena was sport enough
I don't doubt she had back spasms that affected her serve but she preferred not to complete a set and retire after that just because she figured she was about to be destroyed.
Did she play it in both matches? No? Did she win the match? No?
There’s your answer. One MTO is believable, two sure, three maybe. SIX? 6? Pull your head out and take off the rose coloured glasses man.
This is just incredible! Serena has two retirements this year, one coming in tears and you criticise her for ruining someone’s moment. Bianca pulls a MTO SIX times (goes on to win 5 of the 6 matches too), annoying the hell out of players and you believe every single one? My god the double standards are unreal. Kerber saw through the BS, she was rude with her criticism but anyone with a brain can see what Bianca does.
Osaka won back to back majors. That is the opposite of "mediocre."
Hypothesis: If a person likes Bianca then they defend her against charges of drama-queenery. If a person doesn't like her then she is a drama queen.
Experiment: Working on how to test the hypothesis, to be determined.
Conclusion: None
My private opinion that conflicts with the hypothesis: I like her and she is a drama queen. May as well get used to it folks, Bianca will ever be a polarizing figure in tennis. She may not be all that likeable to a lot of people, but her tennis game is superb, sublime. So is her mind game. Both her and her mind games are not pretty but both do the job of winning. Her actual tennis game is pretty. This debate will never be over.
Oh - so she wasn’t vulturing, she was just lazy. Sorry, my mistake.
More top pros should work with sports psychologists to deal with the fake MTO, stalling, rhythm breaking behaviors exhibited by many players. They know it's coming, why not prepare for it? There is no excuse to get so upset over something so predictable. They need to learn to let this stuff go and concentrate on winning strategies instead of being so mad and bitter.
Not just back-to-back, but DEBUT majors!
When was the last time someone did that?
This is just too funny.
Fun fact: multiple players can call fake MTO's and be drama queens. Everyone knows Caroline is and has a reputation. I never said she wasn't a drama queen. For some reason though, you can't bring yourself to question Bianca's and instead go after other players instead. Why?
Those stats don't change what Bianca did though does it??
I got the info from MTF (mens tennis forum) as far as I remember.How did you pull that info up?
Is there a MTO Wiki on each WTA/ATP player?
I got the info from MTF (mens tennis forum) as far as I remember.
LOLTo some in this thread it does not matter, as they writer her and/or her performance as "mediocre", yet the subject of this thread is treated like the greatest player of the past few generations, Agenda, bias and obsession will not turn Adreescu into a great player..
Like your like.LIKE!
They "writer her" do they? "As mediocre"? Who?To some in this thread it does not matter, as they writer her and/or her performance as "mediocre", yet the subject of this thread is treated like the greatest player of the past few generations, Agenda, bias and obsession will not turn Adreescu into a great player..
LOL
19 year old who climbed from #178 to #14 in just 9 months and won two mandatory tournaments, 7-0 against Top 10 in 2019 and that is despite the injuries.
Already a great player to me and to most people who know about tennis including Rod Laver who twitted "A star is born" after Bianca's IW victory in March.
2017 Stephens from 950 ----> 18 in 3 months i thinkHas anyone in history ever climbed that many ranking spots so fast??
Plus she did all that only playing at one major, right?
Osaka won back to back majors. That is the opposite of "mediocre."
Do you genuinely believe that all six she's taken this year have been genuine, none have been done tactically or to stop momentum, change things up a bit? All were legit and not to play some mind games/ have drama? Honestly?
And then lost in the first round of Wimbledon and 3rd round Roland Garros and hasn't made a final in any tournament since the Aussie open.
LOL
19 year old who climbed from #178 to #14 in just 9 months and won two mandatory tournaments, 7-0 against Top 10 in 2019 and that is despite the injuries.
When is the last time a new male player made and won their first two majors finals? The ATP is populated by the truly mediocre players on life support brought to you by 3 granddaddies.
How many majors has Osaka won without Sasha's game plan?
She's pretty one dimensional. All power. Nothing else.
Bianca would abuse Osaka in a match. Hard ball, High ball, Drop Shot, Lob, Slice BH, Slice FH, Big FH. GAME OVER.
Osaka is basically Andy Roddick or Leyton Hewitt. Decent players who snuck in their majors before the big guns showed up.
I believe I did criticitize her, I mean I don't have the direct quotes cause i'm not that heavily invested but we've long known that Caroline is a drama queen. Even though I asked my question first, you still won't answer me whether you truly believe all 6 of her MTO's, you don't think any were tactical? I answered yours, now answer mine.So you're not answering the question Did you ever critisize Caroline for those MTOs or not? But you're doing it to a 18-19 yo who had worse injuries.
I got the info from MTF (mens tennis forum) as far as I remember.
Congratulations on completely flipping my post.I absolutely believe that neither you nor I know what any player is experiencing in the moment and I'd rather assume most players use their MTO's because something is indeed hurting. It takes a cynical soul to believe all these MTO's are just to get momentum flipped.
I mean really, if I had something become sore in a match and I started to lose points and games, you can bet your sweet patootie I'm calling an MTO before the damage physically and on the scoreboard gets too severe.
With Andreescu I suspect almost all her MTO's have been legit given her history of having to take months off to heal various physical ailments.
But I can't know for sure just as you can't know that any of them were "crying wolf".
Regardless, I like her game. I like that she shows emotion on the court. I don't care if she's faking her MTO's but I don't believe that's knowable or at all likely.
Still trying to figure out the drama. Do we doubt these injuries are legit? I mean do players withdraw from the FO and Wimbledon to keep up a facade of being injured?
Does looking fatigued in a match qualify as drama? I mean Sampras had the Hang Dog look mastered and no one called him dramatic. Is it sexism that seeing open displays of pain and emotion in women are “drama”.
She’s a 19 year old competitive kid. She’s won two Premiere events this year despite taking 3 months off. She plays a varied all court game that’s far more entertaining than most women to watch. I just don’t know where the hate is coming from.
Lots of tactical MTO's. Acts like she's down and out and can't move and then suddenly runs around like she never had an injury concern. Did it against Wozniacki in Auckland (went on to win the match) did it against Kerber in the Indian Wells final (went on to win the match), did it again in Miami against Kerber after losing the 2nd set but went on to win the match hence the dramaqueen comments since it happened in back to back matches). Did it again against Pliskova this week (went on to win the match).
She's only 19 but she's already making her mark on the tour with all these BS MTO's. Four this year alone, every time going on to win the match (they're might be more I forgot about?).
Yes, and as you see, this crazed defense/unjustified crowning of Andreescu leads to a full acceptance of cheating. At all costs, she has to have an advantage, but let any other player do that, and there would be calls for the player to be banned from the sportAnd yet 2 pages later, you've admitted you actually don't care if the MTO's are fake or not (which is completely fine) but why are you arguing then? That's why she's seen as a drama queen. That's the answer. You apparently don't care but that doesn't mean others like Kerber and other posters here don't.
No question she had health issues for a long time. Out of 6, possibly 1 or 2 were tactical, or let's say to get some relief during the match as she was bothered. She doesn't annoy me like Woz, so I didn't dig much into it. Are you happy now? lolI believe I did criticitize her, I mean I don't have the direct quotes cause i'm not that heavily invested but we've long known that Caroline is a drama queen. Even though I asked my question first, you still won't answer me whether you truly believe all 6 of her MTO's, you don't think any were tactical? I answered yours, now answer mine.
Same here. She just came in the right time as Kvitova started losing altitude. Besides she is Canadian!I think she's my new fav women's player. Love her all-court game. She's a little flashy too which I'm always for.
Serena is the favorite but it will be great to see a final between them if Bianca makes it that far.She has a great shot to win the US Open.
Omg pls the lobs. I don;t understand why players haven't really used them against Taylor. She closes so far that the lobs don't even have to be that good. It's like players only think about side to side and not forward and back.Taylor Townsend up next...Bianca is gonna have to be sharp with her passing shots and lobs.
Bianca is pretty comfortable up at net herself, so it might not be a bad idea to take away the net from Townsend first.
Omg pls the lobs. I don;t understand why players haven't really used them against Taylor. She closes so far that the lobs don't even have to be that good. It's like players only think about side to side and not forward and back.
Such a good player to watch. I rarely find WTA interesting but her game is top notch. Hope she stays healthy, although for that she might have to lose some weight. She looks too thicc for a tennis player atm.
Mertens, not Bertens LOL I know it's easy to mix those names up.Look like dippers worked just find. Just step into the serves and get the returns to her feet. That seemed to be what worked best. Good match with Taylor. Good practice to face someone that does something different.
Wish Bianca was better at keeping her focus when she's cruising. Got very loose with points in the second set. Lots of UE's on short balls.
Onto Bertens, but for her second grand slam, it's been a successful tourney so far.