Big 3 - Records against the top 10 in slams

[NatF]

So I am a Federer and Nadal fan yada yada yada

Federer;

AO: 20-9 (69%)
FO: 8-11 (42%)
Wim: 17-5 (77%)
USO: 16-6 (73%)

Total: 61-31 (66%)
Total outside pet slam: 44-26 (63%)

Djokovic;

AO: 17-5 (77%)
FO: 8-10 (44%)
Wim: 7-4 (64%)
USO: 11-7 (61%)

Total: 43-26 (62%)
Total outside pet slam: 26-21 (55%)

Nadal;

AO: 7-7 (50%)
FO: 21-1 (95%)
Wim: 6-3 (67%)
USO: 5-4 (56%)

Total: 39-15 (72%)
Total outside pet slam: 18-14 (56%)

Highly highly revealing.

 

[FrontHeadlock]

Of course, hard court and grass results tend to be much more correlative with each other, so this is an overblown point.

B- for effort though.

 

[tennisaddict]

Of course, hard court and grass results tend to be much more correlative with each other, so this is an overblown point.

B- for effort though.

Your end result is right however reasoning is wrong.

Great grass court players have always found the talent to adapt themselves at Hard courts than clay court players.

 

[NatF]

Of course, hard court and grass results tend to be much more correlative with each other, so this is an overblown point.

B- for effort though.

Not sure what your problem is?

I'm just posting facts.

 

[NatF]

The real question is whether those preposterous numbers at the FO from Nadal are because he's so good or because of a weak clay era with his two key rivals below 50%.

 

[HipRotation]

Federer actually played top 10 players besides Murdalovic?

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Hmm.
Strongeradal: 18 meetings with top 10 players in WIM & USO combined.
Weakeraerer: 19 meetings with top 10 playwrs in RG, 22 in both WIM & USO, 29 at AO (record!).

...but any problem cannot be found?

Nadal's RG percentage is incredible however you look at it, though. We should call him 'the sand demon'.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

The real question is whether those preposterous numbers at the FO from Nadal are because he's so good or because of a weak clay era with his two key rivals below 50%.

False dichotomy, man. He's extremely good in a weak clay era.

 

[Charlie]

Spencer Bore doesn't like this.

 

[NatF]

Hmm.
Strongeradal: 18 meetings with top 10 players in WIM & USO combined.
Weakeraerer: 19 meetings with top 10 playwrs in RG, 22 in both WIM & USO, 29 at AO (record!).

...but any problem cannot be found?

Nadal's RG percentage is incredible however you look at it, though. We should call him 'the sand demon'.

Obviously Nadal had the hardest competition with roughly 59% of the top 10 meetings that Federer has had.

False dichotomy, man. He's extremely good in a weak clay era.

Natf's false dawn exposed?

 

[ibbi]

It's funny how each man has played exactly 22 top 10 matches at their respective 'pet' slams. Also, how they tend to play more in Australia than anywhere else (barring Nadal in Paris) that really does seem like it's the most neutralish out of all of them.

 

[Steve0904]

So I am a Federer and Nadal fan yada yada yada

Federer;

AO: 20-9 (69%)
FO: 8-11 (42%)
Wim: 17-5 (77%)
USO: 16-6 (73%)

Total: 61-31 (66%)
Total outside pet slam: 44-26 (63%)

Djokovic;

AO: 17-5 (77%)
FO: 8-10 (44%)
Wim: 7-4 (77%)
USO: 11-7 (61%)

Total: 43-26 (62%)
Total outside pet slam: 26-21 (55%)

Nadal;

AO: 7-7 (50%)
FO: 21-1 (95%)
Wim: 6-3 (67%)
USO: 5-4 (56%)

Total: 39-15 (72%)
Total outside pet slam: 18-14 (56%)

Highly highly revealing.

Had me laughing right from the start.

 

[TheMaestro1990]

Federer was unlucky to never face Murray at the French and instead always was had to cope with peak/prime Djokovic.

 

[merlinpinpin]

The real question is whether those preposterous numbers at the FO from Nadal are because he's so good or because of a weak clay era with his two key rivals below 50%.

Well, can a clay era be considered weak when there's only been one single top claycourter around for the last twelve years?

"Dismal" would probably be closer to the truth, wouldn't it?

As to the number of times they faced top 10 opponents, the difference is pretty telling. Fed must really have benefitted from a super weak era if he hasn't played 100 top 10's in slams yet. I mean, our Rafa has already played more than 50, so...

(And these 3 USO's with a 5-4 record are just mind-boggling. It's totally possible that he ends his career on a negative ratio there, it's just crazy. There's luck of the draw, and then there's luck of the draw Rafa-style, he really is the GCOAT (greateast cupcakedrawer of all time).)

 

[mike danny]

Spencer Bore right now

 

[tennisaddict]

Damn !



Credit to @RF-18

 

[King No1e]

So I am a Federer and Nadal fan yada yada yada

Federer;

AO: 20-9 (69%)
FO: 8-11 (42%)
Wim: 17-5 (77%)
USO: 16-6 (73%)

Total: 61-31 (66%)
Total outside pet slam: 44-26 (63%)

Djokovic;

AO: 17-5 (77%)
FO: 8-10 (44%)
Wim: 7-4 (77%)
USO: 11-7 (61%)

Total: 43-26 (62%)
Total outside pet slam: 26-21 (55%)

Nadal;

AO: 7-7 (50%)
FO: 21-1 (95%)
Wim: 6-3 (67%)
USO: 5-4 (56%)

Total: 39-15 (72%)
Total outside pet slam: 18-14 (56%)

Highly highly revealing.

Federer has 2 pet slams (in his day he was unbeatable at USO and Wimbledon). Nadal has RG, Djokovic has AO, and Murray has Wimby. Federer has no single one like that.

 

[NatF]

Federer has 2 pet slams (in his day he was unbeatable at USO and Wimbledon). Nadal has RG, Djokovic has AO, and Murray has Wimby. Federer has no single one like that.

Murray isn't even in the conversation man

The funny thing is even if you remove both of Federer's best slams he still comes out with better numbers than Djokodal.

 

[TheAssassin]

Forgot to say you're a Djokovic fan too yada yada yada. I can't fully trust you being neutral in this case yet.

 

[pame]

Federer has 2 pet slams (in his day he was unbeatable at USO and Wimbledon). Nadal has RG, Djokovic has AO, and Murray has Wimby. Federer has no single one like that.

No single one; he has two. Now tell me, in which trolling universe if one better than two?

 

[King No1e]

Murray isn't even in the conversation man

The funny thing is even if you remove both of Federer's best slams he still comes out with better numbers than Djokodal.

It is astounding, isn't it? Bring up any stat with Fed and it boggles your mind

 

[King No1e]

No single one; he has two. Now tell me, in which trolling universe if one better than two?

¿What? Dominating 2 Slams is clearly better than one.

 

[pame]

¿What? Dominating 2 Slams is clearly better than one.

Well either you mis-wrote or I misread.

Federer has no single one like that.

 

[King No1e]

Well either you mis-wrote or I misread.

Well that is true. He doesn't have one pet Slam, he has 2. That is clearly a positive not a negative. (Don't assume all Nole fans are out to get Fed haha) My point was that the term "Pet Slam" is not applicable to Federer.

 

[NatF]

It is astounding, isn't it? Bring up any stat with Fed and it boggles your mind

Djokovic's record at the USO compared to the AO is quite striking tbh.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

So I am a Federer and Nadal fan yada yada yada

Federer;

AO: 20-9 (69%)
FO: 8-11 (42%)
Wim: 17-5 (77%)
USO: 16-6 (73%)

Total: 61-31 (66%)
Total outside pet slam: 44-26 (63%)

Djokovic;

AO: 17-5 (77%)
FO: 8-10 (44%)
Wim: 7-4 (77%)
USO: 11-7 (61%)

Total: 43-26 (62%)
Total outside pet slam: 26-21 (55%)

Nadal;

AO: 7-7 (50%)
FO: 21-1 (95%)
Wim: 6-3 (67%)
USO: 5-4 (56%)

Total: 39-15 (72%)
Total outside pet slam: 18-14 (56%)

Highly highly revealing.

Just out of curiosity, what are Murray's numbers?

 

[King No1e]

What's the craziest stat: how about the fact that Djokovic has the same top 10 win ratio on the surface where he struggles most at Wimbledon, as he does for Melbourne where he is a 6-time champ.

 

[pame]

Well that is true. He doesn't have one pet Slam, he has 2. That is clearly a positive not a negative. (Don't assume all Nole fans are out to get Fed haha) My point was that the term "Pet Slam" is not applicable to Federer.

I'm not assuming that at all, but the way you phrased it suggested that the other three having a single slam was better... I think it was really just the way you phrased it. No matter

 

[Tennisanity]

What is most surprising is the sheer number of fewer matches Nadal has played against the top 10. You can argue that Fed is 5 years older and so had more opportunities. But why has Djokovic who is younger than Nadal played so many more matches against the top 10 at slams????????

 

[tennis_pro]

Well that is true. He doesn't have one pet Slam, he has 2. That is clearly a positive not a negative. (Don't assume all Nole fans are out to get Fed haha) My point was that the term "Pet Slam" is not applicable to Federer.

Why not 3? And the WTF. And Cincinnati. And Dubai. And Basel. And Halle. And...

 

[NoleFam]

Nadal lost twice at RG though so that needs to be updated.

 

[DismalFuture]

Nadal lost twice at RG though so that needs to be updated.

Soderling wasn't in the top 10 when he beat Nadal

 

[King No1e]

Why not 3? And the WTF. And Cincinnati. And Dubai. And Basel. And Halle. And...

Last I checked those weren't Grand Slam tournaments.

 

[NatF]

Just out of curiosity, what are Murray's numbers?

Murray;

AO: 5-8 (38%)
FO: 3-6 (33%)
Wim: 8-6 (57%)
USO: 5-5 (50%)

Total: 21-26 (45%)

Not as terrible as I would have liked but nevermind...

 

[NoleFam]

Soderling wasn't in the top 10 when he beat Nadal

True. He couldn't have been since it was in the 4th round anyway. Brain freeze.

 

[tennis_pro]

Last I checked those weren't Grand Slam tournaments.

The point is - Federer is so good that almost all tournaments that suit his game are his pet tournies. Take the AO:

Djokovic - 6 wins. Pet Slam by far.
Federer - 5 wins. 1 final. 7 SF. 2nd worst Slam.

 

[NatF]

True. He couldn't have been since it was in the 4th round anyway. Brain freeze.

Shame. Ban yourself.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Murray;

AO: 5-8 (38%)
FO: 3-6 (33%)
Wim: 8-6 (57%)
USO: 5-5 (50%)

Total: 21-26 (45%)

Not as terrible as I would have liked but nevermind...

Better put that confetti away.

 

[King No1e]

The point is - Federer is so good that almost all tournaments that suit his game are his pet tournies. Take the AO:

Djokovic - 6 wins. Pet Slam.
Federer - 5 wins. 1 final. 7 SF. 2nd worst Slam.

Rain drop
Drop top
Federer wins
Non stop

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Nadal;

FO: 21-1 (95%)


@MichaelNadal

Djokovic is the one, in 21 and one. The REAL reignining!!!! Defending!!!!! Undisputed!!!! Heavyweight Champion of the world!!!!!! Novak Djjjooookkkooovvviiiccccc!!!!!

 

[NatF]

Better put that confetti away.

Guy has nearly as many meetings as Nadal does, this just brings home how many more times he's been hammered by comparison

 

[NoleFam]

Shame. Ban yourself.

LOL. I like to keep you on your toes. I did see a mistake though but will let it pass. Good work.

 

[NatF]

LOL. I like to keep you on your toes. I did see a mistake though but will let it pass. Good work.

Please tell, unless it's grammatical or some **** like that

 

[Deleted member 748597]

Big 4. There is no Big 3. There is only Big 4. Stop disrespecting Sir Murray. I say this as Fedalovic fan.

 

[NoleFam]

@NatF Warinka's numbers. These are straight from tennisabstract so may have to correct if there are errors.

AO: 5-6 45%
RG: 5-8 38%
W: 0-3 0%
USO: 6-5 55%

Total 16-22 42%

 

[Phoenix1983]

Big 4. There is no Big 3. There is only Big 4. Stop disrespecting Sir Murray. I say this as Fedalovic fan.

What about a Big 5 including Stan the Man?

 

[Deleted member 743561]

Big 4. There is no Big 3. There is only Big 4. Stop disrespecting Sir Murray. I say this as Fedalovic fan.

No “Big Four” in tennis. If we’re real about it, there’s no “Big” anything; there’s GOAT and chasing pack...

 

[NoleFam]

Please tell, unless it's grammatical or some **** like that

Well Djokovic is actually 64% at Wimbledon.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Big 4. There is no Big 3. There is only Big 4. Stop disrespecting Sir Murray. I say this as Fedalovic fan.

This is @NatF thread. What were you expecting?

 

[NatF]

Well Djokovic is actually 64% at Wimbledon.

I'll edit. I see it's caught out a couple of people