Big Hitter (Blue) Rough
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You need to have a look at the racquet you're using. If its 100/16x19 you need to go up in tension. I use 53lbs in a 95/18x20 and its perfect for me.
cmendez79
Semi-Pro
Hi,
I used the 17 g, I played again yesterday and had the same experience, great power, spin, touch and control.
But I feel today a little soreness in my elbow and shoulder.
Do you think I will lose the sping, touch and feel If I hybrid with Mantis confort or Gose sheep in the crosses?
Or will keep the same qualities?
THanks
JT_2eighty
Hall of Fame
I may try this out soon with Polystar Energy crosses to add comfort without losing the poly control/spin.
Will report back once I get to it...
FWIW, having used normal BHB as a cross to gut, after about 4 hours of match play, the stringbed became much less forgiving, and ball-sound on strings had a metallic "pingy" tone to it.
Think because of this and a handful of other people reporting arm pain means this string does not have the best of tension stability/resilience... so it's best to cut this one after 4-6 hours, rough or not. However, when fresh (like most polys) it is amaaazing. Just don't overplay it or wait for it to break if your arm is screaming otherwise
Will report back once I get to it...
FWIW, having used normal BHB as a cross to gut, after about 4 hours of match play, the stringbed became much less forgiving, and ball-sound on strings had a metallic "pingy" tone to it.
Think because of this and a handful of other people reporting arm pain means this string does not have the best of tension stability/resilience... so it's best to cut this one after 4-6 hours, rough or not. However, when fresh (like most polys) it is amaaazing. Just don't overplay it or wait for it to break if your arm is screaming otherwise
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I was thinking about to do the same thing. I think you will lose a bit of spin but easy on the arm. Give it a world and let us know the result.
I've been playing with a full bed of BHBR 17 and (after the tension dropped some) really enjoyed it. But I can see where it lacks a bit of control at times.
What do you guys think about BHBR mains and BHSR crosses? Should get the same sort of spin, with the most of the softness of BHB but tightened up and controlled a little more from the BHS.
Thoughts? Waste? Just stick with a full bed or try a multi in the crosses instead?
What do you guys think about BHBR mains and BHSR crosses? Should get the same sort of spin, with the most of the softness of BHB but tightened up and controlled a little more from the BHS.
Thoughts? Waste? Just stick with a full bed or try a multi in the crosses instead?
Carolina Racquet
Professional
I think BHBR and BHSR could be a good combo. If you haven't tried full bed of BHSR, perhaps that is a good option. You'll feel SOME of the BHBR buttery feel, but a crisper response.
cmendez79
Semi-Pro
Hi,
In your opinion whats the biggest difference between Silver Rough and Blue Rough ?
Some say he Silver is a little more stiffer than Blue, what can you tell us ??
Carolina Racquet
Professional
I'd say the biggest difference isn't the stiffness, but the feel and response you get from the string.
IMO, BHBR is not stiff, and the feel is muted, which some people like. Those who don't like it says it feels 'mushy'. Also, it's a twisted octagon geared string.
BHSR is not stiff either, but the feel is different and has more of a crisp response. I think it has a bit more control. Instead of twisted octagon, it's a twisted pentagon shape.
I think this is also important... BHBR feels very much like BHB whereas I feel BHSR feels very different than BHS. Because of this, I believe that those who don't like BHS will never try BHSR.
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Deleted member 120290
Guest
According to the rep at Unique Sports, the manufacturer of BHBR and BHSR, BHBR generates a little more spin and power whereas BHSR feels crisper and has a little more control. They said the stiffness is basically the same.
One interesting note: Some of you noted getting elbow and shoulder pain from a full bed of BHBR. I've experienced the same. After using it for a few weeks it seems to have gotten worse each time out. When I took my BHBR reel to my stringer (who strings for Sampras), he said Sampras had tried it out but went back to RPM. I asked him why and he said Sampras found BHBR to be too harsh on his arm. I thought this was weird because BHBR feels so soft. But that could be where the danger is. This may be one of the soft feeling strings that in reality is harsh on your arm, esp. if you have a sensitive arm already like me. Strings like Lux I know and can feel that they are harsh so I prepare for it but it seems from my limited experience that BHBR is harsher than it feels.
Carolina Racquet
Professional
That's an odd thought... strings that feel soft can actually be harsh on your arm. Go figure. Perhaps it's not 'softness' that's felt but actually 'muting'?
I know this... BHBR/BHB is more elastic that RPM. I can tell a significant difference when I string using those strings. Seems like elasticity equals forgiveness.
bad_call
Legend
also experienced that some "soft" strings aggravate my the arm more than the not so soft.
Lefty5
Hall of Fame
or more likely, you're keeping softer strings in longer.... all polys are harsh if you keep them in there long enough. A lot of lux and stiffer polys smoke my shoulder in 1 outing, definitely not the case with BHBR. Interesting insight on Sampras. You are connected!
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Deleted member 120290
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Yes, I have the same stringer and arm sensitivity. Unfortunately, not the same game.
I think the softer the string, the more the ball cups and stays on the racket putting more pressure on the shoulder and elbow. I switched from BHBR to BHB, it is a little stiffer but for me held tension and played better. After 20 hours of play with BHB the arm and shoulder was OK, but I started feeling wrist soreness, so went back to Synthetic Gut. Problem went away.
CDestroyer
Professional
I agree. It is very powerful so you should string it a little tighter to maintain good control. I started out at 55 now I am up to 62 pounds.
bad_call
Legend
don't think it's softness alone. have 10+ hours on Scorpion (soft poly) and it still plays well with no arm aggravation. other "soft" strings aggravate the arm in < hour.
DavidNERODease
Rookie
I also experienced the same thing MSV Focus Hex 17L. It felt very comfortable and I loved it but my entire arm was killing me after the first match I played. The same thing happened after my second match with the string (total of 4 hours of play) I was really bummed becuase the strings performance was amazing. I haven't had the same issue with any other string yet. BHBR will be tested this weekend but I have my proven Sonic Pro as a back up.
geese_com
Semi-Pro
Yup, you read that right, a PS95. I usually don't have much trouble with generating power or using heavy racquets. I'm excited to try it out since I loved the spin of BHBR but didn't like the feel and I just love how CF, BHS, BHSR feel.
parasailing
Legend
I just had a chance to play with BHBR today for about 3 hours and love the overall feel of the string but I guess I will monitor whether I run into arm or shoulder issues.
So far, it feels soft on the arm and for me, I have tried quite a few soft copolys and Luxilon strings so I know what harshness feels like.
I strung it up at 54lbs on a Babolat PSTGT which is a rather plush racquet so that might help my arm as well.
So far, it feels soft on the arm and for me, I have tried quite a few soft copolys and Luxilon strings so I know what harshness feels like.
I strung it up at 54lbs on a Babolat PSTGT which is a rather plush racquet so that might help my arm as well.
parasailing
Legend
Tlm - What do you mean it does not feel as nice as Strike? What does Strike offer that BHBR did not?
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tlm
G.O.A.T.
The strike seemed more comfy but also not as mushy as the blue. The strike was crisp but also had a really nice comfortable feel to it. I thought the blue had a nice feel, but nothing like the strike. The strike seemed like i got as good if not better control than the blue but with better spin+power. I was using the the regular bhb not the rough.
I will be able to give another report on the strike later this week, because i should be receiving a new order in today.
CDestroyer
Professional
This is wrong. The BHSR is much stiffer than the BHBR. So if you like stiff polys go with the BHSR and if you like soft polys that generate ridiculous sidespin get the BHBR.
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Deleted member 120290
Guest
Personally I have never hit with BHSR. That's just what the rep at Unique said. I'd imagine if a string feels more crisp and has better control, logically it would tend to be stiffer.
An important side note: Earlier I posted that I was having elbow problems with BHBR after a few weeks even though I had no pain in the first 2 weeks. I can't really attribute the pain to BHBR because I have been using PS Energy and Gosen OG 17 Micro for a week and I still feel elbow pain. I think my elbow is in such bad shape that whatever string I use I will still get elbow soreness. So I can't really blame BHBR although Sampras and a few other posters may disagree.
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mikeler
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CDestroyer
Professional
I am one of the posters that feel that it is one of the softest most playable copolys. I don't see how Sampras could say that. Maybe he was commenting on the Silvers.
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Deleted member 120290
Guest
Well he is getting senile in tennis age. Anyway just because he won 14 majors that makes him qualified to make comments? He is not even a Rookie on TT. :mrgreen:
CDestroyer
Professional
He is the man no doubt but I really think he misspoke, was confused or was talking about another string than the BHBR.
I have a very limited experience with multi but BHBR @ 48 feels softer than Mantis Comfort @ 60. I found BHBR (@ <50) really arm friendly compare to other polys (Genesis Black Magic, 361 nation, MSV Hex).
000KFACTOR90000
Professional
I agree its very soft at lower tensions but at 75lbs I'm not so sure.
He's hardly going be stringing it at 75lbs.
000KFACTOR90000
Professional
Yeah sounds extreme to me too but it's the only indication I've heard of his preferred poly tension.
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Deleted member 120290
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Just came back from playing 2 sets of singles against a guy who is pretty close to me in ability. Used 2 rackets, 1 Energy 47 lbs, 1 BHBR 45 lbs. Used Energy 1st set and lost 6-7 (4). Used BHBR 2nd set and won 7-5. Lights went out before we could play 3rd set.
Both strings are powerful, comfortable and have great feel. However at the crucial moment 5-5 or 6-6, I was able to take full cuts and keep the ball in with BHBR but not so much with Energy. If I'm playing someone better or worse than I, string's not going make much difference. But if I'm in a tight set, the few points make the difference between winning and losing. I'm sticking with BHBR over Energy.
Both strings are powerful, comfortable and have great feel. However at the crucial moment 5-5 or 6-6, I was able to take full cuts and keep the ball in with BHBR but not so much with Energy. If I'm playing someone better or worse than I, string's not going make much difference. But if I'm in a tight set, the few points make the difference between winning and losing. I'm sticking with BHBR over Energy.
Have you tried BHBR with a lower tension like low 40's or 30's?
The ball might as well go to space because this string is powerful.
Carolina Racquet
Professional
I've tried BHB/BHBR at lower tensions (40's) and I found it was too elastic, thus too powerful.
It is much more effective at as you get closer to the recommended tension range for each racquet.
It is much more effective at as you get closer to the recommended tension range for each racquet.
Lefty5
Hall of Fame
depends on your frame...
I used 4D 200 Tour @ 35 and really like the soft feel of BHBR. My skill isn't good enough to say if the tension was the problem of hitting the fence or my skill (which is more likely).
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Deleted member 120290
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I've used Cyclone, RPM and BB Ace at 35 but in a 18x20 low powered racket. It was fine. But a soft string like BHBR in a powerful 16x19 YT Extreme Pro with 338 SW, it is too much esp. if I'm swinging away. 45 is pretty low already considering the recommended range is 52-62.
Carolina Racquet
Professional
Not to steer off course, but Cyclone was my favorite low tension poly. Couldn't make BHB/BHBR work.
How does Cyclone work at the low tension compare to BHBR?
Lefty5
Hall of Fame
Cyclone went dead about 1-2 hours quicker. Otherwise, pretty similar overall...
