Bigger Upset: Soderling, Rosol or Darcis?

Biggest Upset?

  • Soderling

    Votes: 46 59.7%
  • Rosol

    Votes: 22 28.6%
  • Darcis

    Votes: 9 11.7%

  • Total voters
    77

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
But he was at his top form, which he proved by reaching a final and also next year.

He beat prime Fedal in 09/10, both were defending champs at the time, so his level of play was legit.

And you do know that rankings don't reflect FO form a lot. Sampras was nr.1 seed at RG. Wasn't Nadal nr.4 seed in 2013 at RG?

I don't see how we can even compare elite RG player like Soderling to mugs Rafa lost on grass twice early. Why it was so upsetting was, that Rafa was in form from winning RG both times and those guys were newbs.

I think Fed losing is the biggest upset in his career too. He said it himself. I mean he was the defending champ in 2013, lost to a total mug too.

Rafa lost at Wimbledon in the 2nd round though, in unfavorable conditions to a guy that still hasn't ever played at that level, and never will again. Sure it's a HUGE upset, but to this day, he's still only ever lost 1 match in his entire life at RG. The weight of what Soderling did>>>>> Wimbledon 2012.
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
Rafa lost at Wimbledon in the 2nd round though, in unfavorable conditions to a guy that still hasn't ever played at that level, and never will again. Sure it's a HUGE upset, but to this day, he's still only ever lost 1 match in his entire life at RG. The weight of what Soderling did>>>>> Wimbledon 2012.

Depends how you see it. I don't see it that way.

Rafa was bound to lose at some point at RG. And losing to a great player like Soderling is no problem. Soderling has better RG results than even Nole,Ferrer.

But W is the biggest tournament in tennis and losing to mugs early is worse.

I guess I have different interpretation of what a bad loss is. If you lose to a good player at later stages in a close match, that's ok.

But if you lose early to a lesser player is far worse for me.

It's my perspective. Fed also says that his loss at W 2013 was the worst loss of his career. So, he sees this the same way.

And don't forget, Rafa was in top form in both W losses. He was just coming from RG win. That means his level and confidence were high. And in 2009 he was confused and his level dropped. He said it himself. That he was used to chase Fed all the time, so now that he did it, he lost motivation after AO 09 and W 08. It was new unknown territory for him. And his clay form wasn't the same as in 2008. So, I don't see Soderlng loss as bad.

But, look in the grand scheme of things losses like that happen to everyone not named Fed. Sampras had tons of those losses too, so no big deal.

I think Fed set too higher standard with his finals/semis streak. We got spoiled. If we remove Fed, what Nadal did is spectacular.

Fans focus on tiny flaws of players too much. Like it's a big deal.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Depends how you see it. I don't see it that way.

Rafa was bound to lose at some point at RG. And losing to a great player like Soderling is no problem. Soderling has better RG results than even Nole,Ferrer.

But W is the biggest tournament in tennis and losing to mugs early is worse.

I guess I have different interpretation of what a bad loss is. If you lose to a good player at later stages in a close match, that's ok.

But if you lose early to a lesser player is far worse for me.

It's my perspective. Fed also says that his loss at W 2013 was the worst loss of his career. So, he sees this the same way.

And don't forget, Rafa was in top form in both W losses. He was just coming from RG win. That means his level and confidence were high. And in 2009 he was confused and his level dropped. He said it himself. That he was used to chase Fed all the time, so now that he did it, he lost motivation after AO 09 and W 08. It was new unknown territory for him. And his clay form wasn't the same as in 2008. So, I don't see Soderlng loss as bad.

But, look in the grand scheme of things losses like that happen to everyone not named Fed. Sampras had tons of those losses too, so no big deal.

I think Fed set too higher standard with his finals/semis streak. We got spoiled. If we remove Fed, what Nadal did is spectacular.

Fans focus on tiny flaws of players too much. Like it's a big deal.

1... that's really irrelevant when it comes to what an upset is.
2... Yeah he was playing better than I've ever seen against Darcis :rolleyes:

As a fan that literally watches every slam match Rafa plays as long as I don't have plans, I purposefully slept during the Soderling match. I (and pretty much the tennis world) had taken it for granted that Nadal was extremely unlikely to lose a match at RG at that point. Nadal was not the 3x defending champion at Wimbledon in 2012, neither has he ever had a better year going into the FO. Like you said, it's really up to interpretation, but someone losing a match somewhere where they have won twice in their career, isn't as big of a deal as being beaten somewhere that they were literally undefeated.
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
1... that's really irrelevant when it comes to what an upset is.
2... Yeah he was playing better than I've ever seen against Darcis :rolleyes:

As a fan that literally watches every slam match Rafa plays as long as I don't have plans, I purposefully slept during the Soderling match. I (and pretty much the tennis world) had taken it for granted that Nadal was extremely unlikely to lose a match at RG at that point. Nadal was not the 3x defending champion at Wimbledon in 2012, neither has he ever had a better year going into the FO. Like you said, it's really up to interpretation, but someone losing a match somewhere where they have won twice in their career, isn't as big of a deal as being beaten somewhere that they were literally undefeated.

Maybe at the time it was seen as an upset. But after Soderling proved himself to be an amazing RG player, I don't see it as a big deal. And the match was close.

But at W, Rafa won RG. So that is what it was so shocking. That he lost his form so fast. And vs a journeymen. And not only once, two years in a row.

Also his 2009 clay form was a bit worse and he had injuries and divorce. Also he lost motivation after winning everything. That's why Soderling loss doesn't seem that bad to me.

But at W last two years he looked fine after RG, nothing seemed out of place. I guess, it's relative. There is no right or wrong. We have different perceptions.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Depends how you see it. I don't see it that way.

Rafa was bound to lose at some point at RG. And losing to a great player like Soderling is no problem. Soderling has better RG results than even Nole,Ferrer.

But W is the biggest tournament in tennis and losing to mugs early is worse.

I guess I have different interpretation of what a bad loss is. If you lose to a good player at later stages in a close match, that's ok.

But if you lose early to a lesser player is far worse for me.

It's my perspective. Fed also says that his loss at W 2013 was the worst loss of his career. So, he sees this the same way.

And don't forget, Rafa was in top form in both W losses. He was just coming from RG win. That means his level and confidence were high. And in 2009 he was confused and his level dropped. He said it himself. That he was used to chase Fed all the time, so now that he did it, he lost motivation after AO 09 and W 08. It was new unknown territory for him. And his clay form wasn't the same as in 2008. So, I don't see Soderlng loss as bad.

But, look in the grand scheme of things losses like that happen to everyone not named Fed. Sampras had tons of those losses too, so no big deal.

I think Fed set too higher standard with his finals/semis streak. We got spoiled. If we remove Fed, what Nadal did is spectacular.

Fans focus on tiny flaws of players too much. Like it's a big deal.

I'll be honest here, I didn't read all of that. Truth is, this is not about the way anybody sees anything. It is a fact that Soderling produced the biggest upset, not an opinion, and it is not even close. Just save your fingers.
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
I'll be honest here, I didn't read all of that. Truth is, this is not about the way anybody sees anything. It is a fact that Soderling produced the biggest upset, not an opinion, and it is not even close. Just save your fingers.

You are wrong. You are posing your opinion as a fact. It is opinion that Soderling is the bigger upset. I don't agree with this.

If it were a fact, we wouldn't be even having this discussion.

You need to learn to tell the difference between a fact and an opinion.
 
and then, you begin to have conversations with yourself.

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malbaker86

Hall of Fame
It's easily Soderling. Even though Nadal wasn't playing particularly well in the first few rounds (don't let the scorelines fool you), NOBODY thought Soderling had a prayer. ONLY one who had a shot to even trouble Nadal that year was Djokovic
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
It's easily Soderling. Even though Nadal wasn't playing particularly well in the first few rounds (don't let the scorelines fool you), NOBODY thought Soderling had a prayer. ONLY one who had a shot to even trouble Nadal that year was Djokovic

It's simple.

What were the odds before Soderling match and Rosol match according to bookies?

This will reveal the truth. If anyone has the time to check it.
 
Soderking. The only man to defeat the undefeatable, and two days after Hewitt got just 5 games.

Rosol's 5th set was ridiculous though.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
So sad for Fedfans who are constantly looking for something on Nadal to cheer them up. However hard they try, nothing seems to do it. Federer is still 2nd fiddle to Nadal...............23-10.

They keep saying h2h doesn't matter yet they put so much premium on Rafa losing once to anyone.
 
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