Biggest Chokers on Tour

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Lee

Guest
Now we know that Mardy Fish is the #1 choker in the world when he handed the gold medal to a lowly-ranked, exhausted Massau. It's time for everyone to list their top 5 chokers in professional tennis...

Anastasia Myskina was up 5-1 in the third set in the quarters of Olympics, but she could not seal the match and went home empty handed. For her experience and skills, she is too good to only have one grand slam under her belt....

Let's hear some crazy stories!
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
I wouldn't even count the Olympics. The fact that some guy named Mardy Fish landed in the finals of a tournament that included Federer, Roddick, Henman, etc. tells me that a lot of the pros who decide to make the trip, pretty much pay lip service to the 5 rings. I would give Mardy, who, outside of this board is a no-name, credit for making a final, rather than choking.
 
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Lee

Guest
Phil, you are totally right. I should have given Fish credit for beating JCF. I was just really dissapointed to watch the USA gaving away a gold medal.... especially in tennis :(
 

pound cat

G.O.A.T.
Clijsters, Mauresmo, Ferrero, Safin. I don't know if choking and knuckling under pressure are the same thing, but in the Olympics the "names " all choked IMO. And Federer wanted it all right...has said that to win the gold in 2004 was his goal, and his loss was a big disappointment. For once the pressure of playing for someone other than themselves was on their shoulders (playing for their country on the world stage) and they couldn't handle it. Conversely, Massu & Gonzalez win the biggest non-chokers award.
 

Camilio Pascual

Hall of Fame
The bigggest chokers in pro tennis? We don't know their names offhand. Venus Williams, a push button for the Hall of Fame, a choker? Kooyah's Clijsters and Mauresmo are much, much better picks. Once Clijsters gets past the quarters in a Major, she is 0-7. Anybody have a better, er, worse record than that?
 

JohnThomas1

Professional
Clisters for sure as one. She reminds me of Lendl, he used to choke like hell in major finals. He got part of the monkey off his back with the French but it wasn't until he finally won the US that he found his feet and went on to win a handful more. I am sure Clisters will be the same, she is far too good not to be. Once she opens those floodgates lookout. Tho the choke was on at the Oz Open there were some very encouraging signs as well. She definitely arrested the choke for quite a while mid match.
 

Camilio Pascual

Hall of Fame
Correction: Clijsters is actually 3-7. She either loses in the semis or loses in the final. The point I meant to make is she has not one a Major in the 7 times she's made it to the semis. I wonder what Henman's record is, though that Roland Garros SF is more of a badge of honour for him.
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
I don't really think that you could call Ferrero a choker, he has won half the grand-slam finals that he has been in, beaten Agassi in the US Open semi's and won the Davis Cup for his Country!!

Henman can be a choker like the way he let that French semi slip, he really had his chances and should of taken them. You can't really blame him for his Wimbledon semi's other than Ivanesevic which he should of won, you can't say that he choked against Sampras and Hewitt though.

I think that Safin and Clijsters are definetly the biggest chokers.

-Liam
 

@wright

Hall of Fame
Jana Novotna was one of the biggest chokes this game has ever seen. The best choking moment I can remember is when Hingis gave the '99 RG trophy to Graf, who was getting her ass kicked all over the place until Hingis fell apart.
 

@wright

Hall of Fame
How about Pat Rafter? He says he choked his nuts off against Pete in the Wimby final. For some reason I'm having troule thinking of ATP players who choke regularly. Henman may count.
 
Rafter admits that he got nervous when he was up in the second set tiebreak and miffed a forehand volley. If he would have hit that volley, he probably would have won the match. But, I wouldn't call him a choker.

Coria: huge choke at the French
Safin: not really a choker
 

@wright

Hall of Fame
Yeah, Moya chokes pretty often. He had Roddick beat a couple months ago and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. He makes me mad sometimes, usually doesn't resemble anything close to a slam winner. Has very little resolve or fight in him.
 

callitout

Professional
Although, its easy to think of individual cases of big collapses by good players on the tour, for the most part what makes the pros so good is that they come up with close to their best play on big occasons. There are a few guys who havent lived up to expectations: Mark Philipoussis and Tommy Haas come to mind. For those who watch junior tennis or D1 college tennis you realize how well pros handle pressure and thats part of what makes them pros. They can lose a tough tiebreak and comeback to win a match.
 

Kevin Patrick

Hall of Fame
Interesting posts, it seems like many of you (understandably) have different definitions of choking.
I think to be a true choker, it needs to happen more than once & in a situation in which victory is almost a lock. I don't consider Rafter losing a mini-break in the 2nd set tiebreak against Sampras in the '00 W Final to be a true choke, yes the guy got nervous, but he was only up 4-2, I believe. It's not unheard of for a player to lose that lead in a tiebreak especially against an all time great at his best tournament. Plus up to that point Rafter hadn't even had a breakpoint against Sampras, even if he went up 2 sets to love, it wouldn't have been a lock in my mind.
I don't consider Safin to be a choker either, he just tanks a lot, but he doesn't seem to get nervous in crunchtimes or when he is in position to win.
Moya on the other hand, while inherently an erratic player even on a good day, has gotten tight many times. At Key Biscayne against Roddick this year, he served 2 doubles when serving for the match. Also he was probably most responsible for helping Agassi on the road to becoming an all time great in '99. At the French he was the defending champ, had a great claycourt season, was up a set & 2 breaks before self destructing.
Todd Martin is an interesting case. He has a great 5 set record(making ridiculous comebacks in many of them), has gone deep in several majors, but is responsible for 2 of the most amazing chokes I've even seen in Grand Slam play. In the '96 W SF against Malivai Washington he was up 5-1 in the 5th, & ended up losing the match. In the 2nd Round of the '00 W, he was up 5-1 again in the 5th against Agassi & blew it. Amazing.
Clijsters is also a unique choker. She spent much of '03 one of the 2 or 3 best players in the world, had a previous Grand Slam final experience(in '01 French where she competed very well) & came out for both the '03 French & US Finals like a lower ranked rookie with stage fright, not even vaguely resembling half the player she is from beginning to end in both matches(she also froze in Aussie SF against Serena losing a 5-1 3rd set lead). I can understand nerves like that from Dementieva this year with her limited big match experience but Clijsters? Eventhough she's young (though by tennis standards she's a veteran) I'm not sure if Clijsters can pull a Lendl & change her career around.
And my last candidate for a Grade A choker: Capriati. Yes she's shown guts in her Slam wins, but also some horrible losses. She lost the Key Biscayne Final against Venus after having 8(!) match points. In last year's US Open SF against Henin (playing great tennis from the 1st point) she got very tight every chance she got close to the finish line(plus Henin was cramping) losing all depth on her strokes. At this year's French, after beating Serena in the quarters, it was her tournament to lose & she did spectacturally losing to Myskina in the semis, barely able to kep the ball in the court.
 

ezdude1970

Semi-Pro
from current players:

1. Moya - choker of all chokers.

2. Nalbandian, I love the guy, but common, last year US this year French.

past players:

choker of all chokers has to be my man Yevgeny Kafelnikov
5 masters finals all lost, he lost to more people outside of top 30 then 10 top players combined. I was his biggest fan when he played. That is why I hated 90's, Buffalo Bills losing 4 superbowls and Kafelnikov chocking any chance he got. At least he won 2 grandslams (minor cancellation there). With his talent he should have won much more.

Number # 2 choker for me was Rios.
 

Mikael

Professional
He's often forgotten these days, but Enqvist should be on the list. I've seen him countless times lose his serve when serving for the match in what should have been a routine victory.

Off the top of my head:

2004 Wimbledon 3rd round vs Schalken. Enqvist serves for the match at 5-4 in the fourth, goes on to have a match point in the tiebreak, and eventually loses the match.

2004 Olympics vs Moya. Serves for the match in the third set and doublefaults twice.

2001 Stuttgart TMS. 3rd round against Roddick. Leads 6-4, 5-2 with Roddick on the ropes and eventually wins in the third set tiebreaker...

2000 Indian Wells semis vs Philipoussis. Blows away a 6-4, 5-3 lead. Then almost loses, then blows another lead in the final set tiebreak, but goes on to win...

1999 Aussie Open 4th round vs Philipoussis. Comfortable match, 6-2 6-4 and 5-4, serving for the match. Proceeds to make three forehand errors in the next game. Eventually wins in 5.

And there are plenty more...
 

JohnThomas1

Professional
Is a choke a choke if they go on to win tho? I think coming back from a mid match choke then still winning is an amazing effort. I do see your point tho, in many he DOESN'T come back to win. You certainly prove he struggles in closing out matches.
 

PureCarlosMoyaDrive

Professional
Ya Kevin, that Moya choke against Agassi could've stopped Agassi from being great that year. Moya had that in the bag, don't even know how it was possible what he did. Moya is up there all time (think 1998 World Championship final). He kills me all the time, it's hard, but he's still awesome. He could be one of the worst I've ever seen though.

And Liam, Ferrero has won 1 of 3 slam finals, making him win 1/3, which is 33%, not 1/2 man. He chokes all right (coming to net down match point against Hewitt in the Masters Cup final, what the hell?), but he's awesome too.
 
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Lee

Guest
My friend once told me that this WTA player was up in the second set, 5-0 and serving at 40-0 and lost the match in the third set. Can anyone confirm that?

By the way, thank you for some great post, fellas. It's great to hear some diverse opinions from you all!!
 

K!ck5w3rvE

Hall of Fame
Coria. And when he isn't choking, he's getting mysterious injuries like at the French. He was winning comfortably, and then he feigns an injury and loses by playing Z-Grade tennis.
 

Max G.

Legend
Lee said:
My friend once told me that this WTA player was up in the second set, 5-0 and serving at 40-0 and lost the match in the third set. Can anyone confirm that?

By the way, thank you for some great post, fellas. It's great to hear some diverse opinions from you all!!

I'm not sure about that particular one.

I do know that at the French Open, Lisa Raymond was down 6-0. 5-0, 0-30 on her serve and went on to win. (Including saving matchpoints at 5-1 15-40).

That's almost, but not quite.

Maybe Novotna you meant? I'm not sure about her final, was she up 5-0 40-0 before losing?
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
:lol:

We all know that Tim gave that match away after leading it for such a long time.

Let's face it, Tim choked (again) and lost his serve in the 8th game of the last set.

He does it year in and year out, nothing special about it happening against Goran.

-Liam
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
ok then I have an IQ of 50 yet you still can't spell my name? Ever head about The Pot Calling The Kettle Black?

Tim had the match and let it go, the subject of this post is chokers and Tim choked that match after being 2 sets to 1 up and had Goran in a Tie-Breaker in the 4th and basically choked.

Pretty simple to understand really,

-Liam
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
I feel sorry for people with big serves, they are killing the game and are so naive that they can't realise it!!

I have a very good slice and kick serve, who needs to hit a huge flat serve? I like to work for my points and walk of the court knowing that I have played tennis, not hit a couple of serves and won that way.

And as for Pat Cash been the best commentator we have then you will be glad to know that he is no longer working with the BBC after all his little crappy remarks, and frankly non exsistent commentary. You are one funny person with this view of tennis :lol:

-Liam
 
liam.... how did sampras achieve GOAT status?

with his big serve..

but he also had great groundies and volleys

i model my game after him

I MISS U LIAM!
 

Andres

G.O.A.T.
Feña14 said:
I feel sorry for people with big serves, they are killing the game and are so naive that they can't realise it!!

I have a very good slice and kick serve, who needs to hit a huge flat serve? I like to work for my points and walk of the court knowing that I have played tennis, not hit a couple of serves and won that way.

And as for Pat Cash been the best commentator we have then you will be glad to know that he is no longer working with the BBC after all his little crappy remarks, and frankly non exsistent commentary. You are one funny person with this view of tennis :lol:

-Liam

From all the big servers i've seen, Goran is, probably, the server who LESS uses a huge flat bomb. He mainly served using his advantage of his "leftyness". 85% of the "T" aces were lefty spins serves, not flat ones.

And sorry on my crappy english, but I think I made my point understandable (or sort of... :p)
 

LendlFan

Semi-Pro
@wright said:
Jana Novotna was one of the biggest chokes this game has ever seen. The best choking moment I can remember is when Hingis gave the '99 RG trophy to Graf, who was getting her ass kicked all over the place until Hingis fell apart.

Everybody remembers Jana Novotna's big choke on Centre Court Wimbledon against Steffi Graf and how she had the victory well in hand but somehow couldn't bare to see Steffi lose. But I would say that paled in comparison to her even bigger choke in 1995, place: Roland Garros playing against Chanda Rubin.

Chanda won the 1st Set and Novotna won the 2nd. But here's where it got interesting. Picture this if you wil, Jana Novotna is serving 40-15 5-0 in the 3rd and found a way to not only get broken in that game but lost the entire set to Chanda Rubin. If that's not choking then somebody needs to explain to me what choking is.
 

joy

New User
What about Federer's loss to Safin in this year's Australian open? He was serving 5-2 in the fourth set tie break and from there, lost the tie break as well as the match. Is this not one of the greatest chokes?
 

gugafanatic

Hall of Fame
I beieve, Likhovtseva (sp?) blew a (6-0) tiebreak lead against Pierce this week. She began to steer the ball mid-court, hoping for the error from Pierce but it did not arrive. Pierce won the third set and match 7-6 (8-6).

Serious choke job!!!!
 

Mr Topspin

Semi-Pro
Interesting post.

As has already been mentioned the interpretation of choking differs greatly. Heres my two cents.

I would say that if player A was serving for tha match against player B and had a lead of say 2 breaks i.e 5-2 and had had match point and still contrived to lose. I would classify that scenario as choking. The key for me is having match point or match points. If player A was leading 5-0 and lost and did not have match point then i wouldn't call it choking. I think reacing match point with a lead that is fairly comfortable of 2 or more breaks and losing is a choke.

Most pro's judge their performances on how well they execute on their breakpoints, set points or match points. Those are the points that really matter as they are the biggest points of the match and the player that plays the big points well tends to win. Its not always the front runner that wins. Tennis in may ways is a marathon; its how u finish that matters not always how u start.

Consequently, i would describe a choker who consistently fails to win matches in the same scenario as above. Therefore, i would not say that if Player A got to 5 GS finals and lost all the finals and never had match point in all those GS finals that it was choking. If thats the case if Federer had met Nalbandian pre 2003 in 5 GS finals and had lost as he was in the habit of doing would that be choking. Or if Henman had reached 3 finals againt Hewitt and had lost would that also be choking. Is Roddick consistent losses to Federer in finals also choking. IMHO its not always about how many semi's or finals that players get into it how many of them take advantage of wining positions and blow them that suggest to me choking. Consequently for fols that think losing from 5 love up with no match point is choke what about the player that loses those 5 games in a row are they also choking. IMHO as easy as it is for one player to lead 5-0 its as easy as the other player to tie it up 5-5 and that should not be considered a choke as momentum swings are far too common in tennis. Its only when big points are on the line at 5-0 like 40-0 0r 40-15 and player A has several match points and still loses then i would call that choking especially if Player A loses a lot of matches in that way.
 
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