Buggy whip forehand
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tennis_balla
Hall of Fame
This should answer your question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmU5cOUtmIU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmU5cOUtmIU
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
I assume that you are referring to the reverse (finish) FH. If not, pls make a distinction.
Many players can easily generate more spin with it -- more topspin, often with a good dose of sidespin and sometimes some spiral spin. Some players, like Sharapova, often use it for a late contact -- instead of making contact even with the front foot (or forward of it), contact is made later (often, in line with the back foot). Some of Nadal's reverse FHs fall in this category.
Sampras primarily for hitting balls out wide when he was on the run. He could generate some great spin and angles with this use of the reverse. This is the use of the reverse that I show or teach to students.
Back in the early 80s (and late 70s?), the reverse finish was often employed to teach the topspin lob. Topspin lobs were not common back then and coaches often discouraged it. Lobs were hit fairly flat or with underspin. As rackets become larger, topspin lobs became more common. The reverse finish was often employed in teaching to show how to exaggerate the topspin on the shot.
Many players can easily generate more spin with it -- more topspin, often with a good dose of sidespin and sometimes some spiral spin. Some players, like Sharapova, often use it for a late contact -- instead of making contact even with the front foot (or forward of it), contact is made later (often, in line with the back foot). Some of Nadal's reverse FHs fall in this category.
Sampras primarily for hitting balls out wide when he was on the run. He could generate some great spin and angles with this use of the reverse. This is the use of the reverse that I show or teach to students.
Back in the early 80s (and late 70s?), the reverse finish was often employed to teach the topspin lob. Topspin lobs were not common back then and coaches often discouraged it. Lobs were hit fairly flat or with underspin. As rackets become larger, topspin lobs became more common. The reverse finish was often employed in teaching to show how to exaggerate the topspin on the shot.
fuzz nation
G.O.A.T.
I use something in the neighborhood of this sort of forehand for putting topspin on a higher bouncing ball on that side. If the ball has gotten too high before I can take it on the rise, this is a decent alternative to a my slice forehand.
Avles
Hall of Fame
Here's Don Budge hitting a reverse-finish forehand:
http://youtu.be/j_jT-pqRIDI?t=8m50s
Looks like it's been around for quite a while...
http://youtu.be/j_jT-pqRIDI?t=8m50s
Looks like it's been around for quite a while...
I'm aware it's been around for quite a while.
My question is WHY would you hit a buggy whip forehand over an across the body forehand...
WHY?
Incoming ball is deeper, quicker, faster, or unexpected. Player wants to keep his reply short of the baseline. Extreme low to high brush shortens depth, adds topspin, for a short ball reply that doesn't go too deep.
Same with 1hbh, you can just lift up, 45 degree vertical swingpath, add topspin and little pace to control depth of your shot.
Incoming ball is deeper, quicker, faster, or unexpected. Player wants to keep his reply short of the baseline. Extreme low to high brush shortens depth, adds topspin, for a short ball reply that doesn't go too deep.
Same with 1hbh, you can just lift up, 45 degree vertical swingpath, add topspin and little pace to control depth of your shot.
Avles
Hall of Fame
Just thought it was interesting to see a player from the WWII era using that finish.
As far as the why, I think it's been covered pretty well by Systemic Anomaly, fuzz nation and LeeD. Easier to hit late, easier to apply topspin, easier to keep the ball from going long.
I think all of these things mean that overusing it could lead to bad habits for rec players.
I could be wrong, but I can't help but think this question is rhetorical.
Chotobaka
Hall of Fame
That is just an absolutely awesome video. I especially dig the high tech teaching aid of standing on the two scales to demonstrate weight transfer. Thanks!!!
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
Yes, Sampras often used the buggy whip when pulled out wide, generating angle, etc
But another scenario that Jeff Salzenstein talks about is using the buggy whip on a crosscourt rally ball (even when not pulled out wide or under pressure)
Jeff says the buggy whip contact point needs to be later.
In the case of a player using an Eastern FH grip and hitting a buggy whip on a crosscourt rally ball, why must he hit the ball with a later contact point compared to his regular Eastern forehand?
In a buggy whip forehand rally ball scenario, does the contact point need to be closer to the Contintental FH contact point?
Not clear why the contact point changes on a buggy whip forehand rally ball.
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
^ Yup, exactly.
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Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
Don't many players like Nadal and others choose to hit a buggy whip, instead of a normal forehand, when they are NOT LATE? Just to mix it up.
That was my question: Why is the buggy whip contact point different on a ball that you have time to set up for?
Topspin Shot
Legend
Buggy whip makes it easier to shape certain shots because you can get more clearance and still drop the ball in. It also works when late, jammed, or off balance.
