lovethetriangle
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRUTQdTYPyA&feature=related
Sorry I posted this on the other thread by mistake.
Critique please!
Sorry I posted this on the other thread by mistake.
Critique please!
Critique the forehand!
- Thread starter lovethetriangle
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With that technique - more knee bend to facilitate more left to the right weight shift could give you more power.
Also, less jumping (vertical extension of the knees) with more left to right weight shift (by staying down on the stroke) would give you more consistency. Keep the looping arm stroke portion, though, for good top spin.
Also, less jumping (vertical extension of the knees) with more left to right weight shift (by staying down on the stroke) would give you more consistency. Keep the looping arm stroke portion, though, for good top spin.
lovethetriangle
Rookie
Thanks!!
What's the diff between left to right weightshift vs. shoulder turn???
What's the diff between left to right weightshift vs. shoulder turn???
ProgressoR
Hall of Fame
i have been trying to improve my forehand, i am working on something so I noticed the same thing in your stroke, from the prep, you have a pause in your stroke when your racket is facing the ground, i think that is a good place to have your racket, but not pausing there, from the prep, it should be a continuous motion right upto contact.
i think you lose a bit of momentum with this pause.
cheers
i think you lose a bit of momentum with this pause.
cheers
pushing_wins
Hall of Fame
textbook spinning around too much forehand
thats the way i use to hit
it is completely wrong.
thats the way i use to hit
it is completely wrong.
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It's fine if you like to hit lots of tennis balls to win one point, and like to play a game of physical attrition, as opposed to ending points quickly by going for winners.
Short swing, lots of vertical, means consistent but slow moving heavy spinning rally ball. Good if that's what you want.'
If you need more power, lengthen the stroke, flatten it out, keep that back foot more grounded.
But once again, if your forehand does what YOU want it to do on clay, then little is wrong.
Short swing, lots of vertical, means consistent but slow moving heavy spinning rally ball. Good if that's what you want.'
If you need more power, lengthen the stroke, flatten it out, keep that back foot more grounded.
But once again, if your forehand does what YOU want it to do on clay, then little is wrong.
FedExpress 333
Professional
LOL I CALL IT DOZU!!!!!!!!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTjBXVQyiwg
Now, is Federer:
A.Swinging his racket, or
B.Using his legs, trunk, aka the kinetic chain to move his arm?
And PWNED, Dozu =P
Now, is Federer:
A.Swinging his racket, or
B.Using his legs, trunk, aka the kinetic chain to move his arm?
And PWNED, Dozu =P
lovethetriangle
Rookie
Magic pill???
Mr Lee, the second part is absolutely correct, the first part is not, lots of vertical will give lots of spin, it also means lots of errors down the road, even it shorten the flight.
Mr.Ho, you are correct if the OP swings like a weak 5 year old. But OP doesn't, he swings like a real tennis player, and on slow clay, a heavy low to high swingpath equals TONS of topspin, high net clearance, and a consistent forehand! OP is adding tons of topspin, exactly what most clay court players do...heavy topspin.
Look at Mr.Muster's swingpath. Extreme low to high, but with a longer stroke.
Look at Mr.Muster's swingpath. Extreme low to high, but with a longer stroke.
The easiest way to have consistent, control is to hit thru the ball, not hit up. Hit up create topspin, it shorten the flight, ball land in.
But it also mean that ball do not stay longer on the string bed as hit thru it. Hope you get my thinking.
In fact hit closer to your side and extend your arm out is better: if you hit the ball on the side, you have a better chance to hit thru it do to the natural rotation of your body: it release the arm on the side: arm have a better chance to draw a straight line.
Think mr Lee, think:
1 Hitting thru the ball means flatter forehands, meaning more chances of net or long. : yes, it will be CONSISTENT net or long
2. Loopy balls mean more margin for errors, meaning more consistent.: yes, it will make the ball land short but not CONSISTENT land short, due to the fact that ball do not stay long on the string bed.
Not sure your reasoning.
THINK!
Who cares if your heavy topspin shot lands short or just inside the baseline. The heavy topspin makes the short ball hard to attack, and opens up wide angles for both DTL and CC.
Consistent means getting the ball IN on important points when you're thinking more survival and strategy. \
A FLAT shot goes long or short, into the net, so it's NOT CONSISTENT and worthless for most players on CLAY courts.
THINK!
Who cares if your heavy topspin shot lands short or just inside the baseline. The heavy topspin makes the short ball hard to attack, and opens up wide angles for both DTL and CC.
Consistent means getting the ball IN on important points when you're thinking more survival and strategy. \
A FLAT shot goes long or short, into the net, so it's NOT CONSISTENT and worthless for most players on CLAY courts.
gregor.b
Professional
Maybe a little too close to the ball and a little too vertical in swingpath instead of horizontal.Also,the right arm maybe drops away a little too early and low so you are not getting a proper rotation.This will give a little more power and spin.Add some leg drive/knee bend and you will be laughing.
What the definition of CONSISTENT? land at about the same spot
regardless long or net. that's what we want. then a little topspin will make the ball shorter and higher.
How many pro use heavy topspin ??
Consistent...
Your shots go IN on the other guys court, period.
If your shot go long or into the net, you are not consistent.
If you shot goes deep to but inside his baseline, and shorter than service line, you are still consistent!
YOU are playing horsehoes, not tennis.
In tennis, getting the ball IN on the other guys court counts more than how deep you hit them.
Your shots go IN on the other guys court, period.
If your shot go long or into the net, you are not consistent.
If you shot goes deep to but inside his baseline, and shorter than service line, you are still consistent!
YOU are playing horsehoes, not tennis.
In tennis, getting the ball IN on the other guys court counts more than how deep you hit them.
we have a serious problem, i think
Timbo's hopeless slice
Hall of Fame
forget it, I can't be bothered.
OP hits the ball nice and clean, which was kind of the point of the thread... Take a bit of the topspin out every now and then to flatten it out and you have a pretty decent shot.
OP hits the ball nice and clean, which was kind of the point of the thread... Take a bit of the topspin out every now and then to flatten it out and you have a pretty decent shot.
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dozu
Banned
yes - read FedExpress' post.. that's the magic pill.
OP your core rotation appears to be fine... but there is a problem. There is this concept called 'release' in groundstroke like the FH.
with the magic pill, you use your legs/hips/core to toss the arm/racket unit around... you are doing a decent job with the legs/hips/core, but you are still pushing the graphite racket around. There is no release, there is no power.
If you toss the passive arm/racket unit around, that unit will act like a whip, where the tip of the whip, aka the racket head, will whip thru the ball, then, after impact, you should NO LONGER be pulling the racket... the racket should be pulling you into the finish!
right now you are pushing the racket all the way to the finish, there is no release, there is no depth/power.
I actually disagree from you. check out this video and see the guy with the haviest forehand in the game. Look how far in front of his body he hits the ball, and his arm is always almost completely extended.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kr7chlWo1I&feature=related
fruitytennis1
Professional
You and your advice would be the only problem I see.
Back ontopic
One optional change would be to (as others have said) make your swing more horizontal..Depends on what ball you want to hit.
Another optional change would be to close your stance slightly more on those balls that are a little short.
Nice post. I've seen the majic pill from another post of yours, but this made it sink.
You are correct. Their is 2 type of FH: Push and Pull.
On Pull stroke, speed is created by kinetic energy generated from the arm, mainly. Kinetic Energy need time to develop. Therefore in Pull stroke, you hit far out, In Push stroke, speed is created by body and arm rotation in one unit. Therefore, you need to hit on the side.
Nadal is a classic Pull, Del Potro, Hewitt and numerous WTA is classic Push. I forgot to mention Pull on my previuos post.
I think I have the same idea thru my post.
When you swing horizontal, you hit head on with the ball. Ball will be compressed more, once it compressed more, it stay on the string bed longer, Once it stay on the string bed longer, we have consistent shot, direction and length wise.
Is that the same as you think?
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Actually, OP FH is a classic Push stroke, Push stroke generate power from rotation of body and arm as one unit. right at the moment of impact, arm and body still is one unit, but after that, arm detach body and push out to add speed and spin. The timing seem to be hard to be accomplished, but if you hit on the side, you have a good chance to get it done: By the time arm hit the ball at your side, centrifuge force by rotation, if you do not restrain, will spit straight out your arm: you hit thru the ball, whether you like or not.
pushing_wins
Hall of Fame
yes, absolutely, I just fixed one for my neighbor's son, even me, i surprise how good he is in just one week, can you have a video ?
are we speaking English?
pushing_wins
Hall of Fame
from the moonMr. Ho...
I am speaking perfect English.
YOU, OTOH, write in some mumbo jumbo mixture of wierd, sad, uninformed, and just plain HORRID English.
You do the math.
I will give you a break if you state WHERE you're from.....
I need a new video from you.
pushing_wins
Hall of Fame
I see, From that video, you do not do exactly a Push, sometime you swing with just your arm. As a classic Push, you have to have the whole body and arm as one unit at contact. To have a feel of this, bolt 1 or 2 7" saw blade on your racket, since the racket is very heavy, you have to use your body and arm as one unit to swing it. and since it very heavy, your will have a hard time swing it up you hit horizontal thruuuuu the ball all the time. The finish is not at your ear, it below your left shoulder. Arm and body connect together by a stiff shoulder, if you get it loose it won't transfer your weight to the racket. even so your FH look good now.
To have a pronation, just hold SW you will have to pronate most of the time unwillingly. Expect to see you next time.
IMO, you are right. LeeD is talking about accuracy, not about consistency.
Accuracy And Consistency Of Artillery Fire
See please http://www.scribd.com/doc/52019277/202/ACCURACY-AND-CONSISTENCY-OF-ARTILLERY-FIRE Chapter 7.
DEFINITIONS:
MPI is the mean point of impact.
Accuracy is the measure of the precision with which the MPI of a group of rounds can be delivered at the target from occasion to occasion.
Consistency of a gun is a measure of the dispersion of a single group of rounds about the MPI at a given elevation. Consistency is mainly governed by variations in the gun itself and is measured, not about the target, but about the MPI.
Comparison of Accuracy and Consistency
If, on every occasion, a weapon system delivered all rounds on the target at which it was aimed, accuracy and consistency would be perfect. If the MPI was always on the target but there was a big dispersion of rounds about the MPI, accuracy would be perfect but consistency would be poor. If there was a small dispersion of rounds about the MPI but the MPI was far from the target, consistency would be good but accuracy would be poor.
In Push stroke, you do want the whole body and arm and racket as one unit in the striking zone:
1. in Classic push, hand (wrist) bend completely backward, there is NO MOVEMENT of wrist during contact (4.0)
2. in Hybrid push (DJ) hand (wrist) bend completely backward, but keep a LOOSE wrist by the time ball contact, accelerate wrist forward to increase speed and spin (5.0)
pushing_wins
Hall of Fame
doctor dennis
Semi-Pro
Hi
It looks like a solid shot from what i've seen. If i was to be picky it doesnt look like you seperate your shoulder from the swing. I.e your hitting arm shoulder should get through the shot before your hips. Yours go through at the same time
Do you miss hit many approach shots or struggle hitting DTL?
If you do, it could be down to the lack of seperation.
Nice hitting though.
Regards
ok, if you want a pull, buy "The Killer Forehand" of Nick B.
Basically, you swing with your arm trail behind your shoulder, snap the arm near contact.
There is several ingredient more, but start that way first, you will see ball land in more (more spin) less power than push and require more talent than push. OK????
Vedasco is a Pull stroke. He generate most of his power from snapping his wrist, start up neutral, then bend back then snap forward.What is wrong with Verdasco? His wrist/hand is neural.
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