Critique the forehand!

toly

Hall of Fame
Vedasco is a Pull stroke. He generate most of his power from snapping his wrist, start up neutral, then bend back then snap forward.
Agreed. But how can the forward wrist acceleration increase spin?
 

toly

Hall of Fame
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In picture 1 Verdasco hits pure flat FH. That’s why his wrist is in neutral and he cannot use arm pronation to produce topspin.
In picture 2 Verdasco hits topspin. His wrist is in bent back position around 45 degrees and he can use arm pronation to create topspin.
IMO, wrist motions have nothing to do with Pull or Push FH.
 
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toly

Hall of Fame
i dont want a push
Absolutely agree with you.
With Push FH we cannot generate maximum power. I really don’t know who are using this very weak routine right now, maybe beginners and very old people only.
We can use it for serve return and against very fast bolls.
IMO, Push FH provides better consistency, but less power. Pull FH is very good for power, but is bad for accuracy and consistency.
 
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toly

Hall of Fame
just hit the damn ball, folks...

Modern FH is stroke about rotation of relevant body parts. There are virtually no straight line motions. How can we hit thru the damn ball in this case? In billiards I understand, but about modern tennis I have no idea.
 
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pushing_wins

Hall of Fame
ok, if you want a pull, buy "The Killer Forehand" of Nick B.
Basically, you swing with your arm trail behind your shoulder, snap the arm near contact.
There is several ingredient more, but start that way first, you will see ball land in more (more spin) less power than push and require more talent than push. OK????

a lot more to it than that.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
As usual, Toly and Ho are wrong again.....
We are talking TENNIS here, not artillery fire, hand grenades, horseshoes, or Practical Pistol.
In TENNIS, not the shooting sports, accurate means left and right control and IN the opponent's court.
Consistency, IN TENNIS, not shooting sports, is getting the ball IN on the opponent's court over and over again.
You have to understand, and neither of you do, that a short groundstroke is JUST AS EFFECTIVE as a deep groundstroke, if you hit with heavy topspin. DID YOU KNOW that heavy topspin is the modern accepted forehand?
Of course not, you guys are playing in 1970.
YOU think a short topspin can be attacked. But it can't nowadaze, with heavy topspin allowing you to hit with WIDER ANGLES, dip the ball if you get approached, and pass on the next shot.
But then, both you guys are all theory, and don't PLAY TENNIS. You go by dictionary and theory, not tennis court SENSE, which you don't have.
 

pushing_wins

Hall of Fame
As usual, Toly and Ho are wrong again.....
We are talking TENNIS here, not artillery fire, hand grenades, horseshoes, or Practical Pistol.
In TENNIS, not the shooting sports, accurate means left and right control and IN the opponent's court.
Consistency, IN TENNIS, not shooting sports, is getting the ball IN on the opponent's court over and over again.
You have to understand, and neither of you do, that a short groundstroke is JUST AS EFFECTIVE as a deep groundstroke, if you hit with heavy topspin. DID YOU KNOW that heavy topspin is the modern accepted forehand?
Of course not, you guys are playing in 1970.
YOU think a short topspin can be attacked. But it can't nowadaze, with heavy topspin allowing you to hit with WIDER ANGLES, dip the ball if you get approached, and pass on the next shot.
But then, both you guys are all theory, and don't PLAY TENNIS. You go by dictionary and theory, not tennis court SENSE, which you don't have.

can u fix my forehand?
 

ho

Semi-Pro
As usual, Toly and Ho are wrong again.....
We are talking TENNIS here, not artillery fire, hand grenades, horseshoes, or Practical Pistol.
In TENNIS, not the shooting sports, accurate means left and right control and IN the opponent's court.
Consistency, IN TENNIS, not shooting sports, is getting the ball IN on the opponent's court over and over again.
You have to understand, and neither of you do, that a short groundstroke is JUST AS EFFECTIVE as a deep groundstroke, if you hit with heavy topspin. DID YOU KNOW that heavy topspin is the modern accepted forehand?
Of course not, you guys are playing in 1970.
YOU think a short topspin can be attacked. But it can't nowadaze, with heavy topspin allowing you to hit with WIDER ANGLES, dip the ball if you get approached, and pass on the next shot.
But then, both you guys are all theory, and don't PLAY TENNIS. You go by dictionary and theory, not tennis court SENSE, which you don't have.
it's nap time Mr Lee, lonely old people need a lot of rest.
 
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pushing_wins

Hall of Fame
ok, if you want a pull, buy "The Killer Forehand" of Nick B.
Basically, you swing with your arm trail behind your shoulder, snap the arm near contact.There is several ingredient more, but start that way first, you will see ball land in more (more spin) less power than push and require more talent than push. OK????

after you initate the forward swing, all elements are passive
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
:):)
And of course, Mr.Ho, your perfect command on the English lanquage should certainly rank you amongst the foremost experts on diction, tennis and shooting.
Who cares if your groundie lands short? This is 2011, and topspin carries the ball past the baseline even on short balls, and nobody knows how to attack short balls anymore.
Consistent is getting the ball IN, not hitting it always deep but in.
 

ho

Semi-Pro
:):)
And of course, Mr.Ho, your perfect command on the English lanquage should certainly rank you amongst the foremost experts on diction, tennis and shooting.
Who cares if your groundie lands short? This is 2011, and topspin carries the ball past the baseline even on short balls, and nobody knows how to attack short balls anymore.
Consistent is getting the ball IN, not hitting it always deep but in.
Don't seem like your 40's girlfriend helps. Most of the time loneliness comes from a series of bad memories.
 
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