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McDonald and Giron were also there in Sac and they both won their matches. good players, good attitudes, no foul mouths.Good player and nice attitude.
McDonald and Giron were also there in Sac and they both won their matches. good players, good attitudes, no foul mouths.Good player and nice attitude.
17 yr old fritz took down the sacramento challenger - beating donaldson in the final - and moved up over 350 spots to 339 in the world
(youngest american to win a challenger since DYoung in '07)
18 yo paul up to 329 after losing to kudla in the rd of 16 of sacramento
DB up 9 spots to 352 after medellin
Yeah we really need a Fritz, Donaldson, Paul, Tiafoe, Opelka, Baughman, Altamirano thread....
... in the pro forum.
Hard to believe Fritz lost to Kozlov at K'zoo this year, and then, a couple months later, goes on a tear like he has.good challenger day for the young americans:
tiafoe looks more focused this week, another straight sets win, this time over james mcgee - he has darian king in the quarters
fritz absolutely throttling #1 seed smyczek right now 6-2,4-1 - he's on some serious hot streak this past week and a half (or maybe dating back to the us open juniors)
Fritz rolled Rola 3 and 3, pretty impressive, this kid looks like the real deal right now. Finals vs. Brown tomorrow will be a big test, Brown has played three consecutive three set matches.
I think Del Potro was the last 17 yr old to win multiple Challengers. As far as back to back, not sure.fritz rolls again - 3 and 4 - impressive young man, very businesslike and composed out there seemingly every match
would love to know who was the last 17 yo to win back to back challengers
Mmoh is serving for the match against Ryan Harrison, 6-2, 5-3.
yeah, not even Nadal himself has his forehand and movement any longer. it's now an ancient relic of the past.impressive stuff from mmoh, that was very routine - harrison could seemingly only win points off his first serve while being outplayed by a wide margin from the baseline
re: harrison
hard to be an attacking baseliner who dictates play (this seems to be his game plan out there) when you set up shop in nadal territory routinely - unless you have nadal's forehand and movement, which he does not
whoever about 10 yrs ago or so told the Americans to start grinding should be thrown out of the coaching ranks.yeah, not even Nadal himself has his forehand and movement any longer. it's now an ancient relic of the past.
Currently, the only US teens in the top 1000 are:
Rank, name, Age
How many will crack the top 100? Top 10?
- 142 - Jared Donaldson (19 yrs old)
- 228 - Frances Tiafoe (17)
- 232 - Taylor Fritz (17)
- 321 - Tommy Paul (18)
- 355 - Deigton Baughman (19)
- 472 - Michael Mmoh (17)
- 526 - Noah Rubin (19)
- 534 - Ernesto Escobedo (19)
- 548 - Stefan Kozlov (17)
- 728 - Alex Rybakov (18)
- 812 - Collin Altamirano (19)
- 906 - Reilly Opelka (18)
- 970 - William Bushamuka (19)
- 980 - Eduardo Nava (18)
Fritz and MMoh on now. MMoh got 1st set, Fritz serving to go into 1st set TB
Yeah, Francis really had fun banging his racket 27 times after the loss.
Both other young guys appear to be going to a deciding set.
I like the odds of the top four guys on that list getting into the top 100, I'd throw in Opelka too but I think his game will take a bit longer to mature, Kozlov has lots of potential if he grows.
Currently, the only US teens in the top 1000 are:
Rank, name, Age
How many will crack the top 100? Top 10?
- 142 - Jared Donaldson (19 yrs old)
- 228 - Frances Tiafoe (17)
- 232 - Taylor Fritz (17)
- 321 - Tommy Paul (18)
- 355 - Deigton Baughman (19)
- 472 - Michael Mmoh (17)
- 526 - Noah Rubin (19)
- 534 - Ernesto Escobedo (19)
- 548 - Stefan Kozlov (17)
- 728 - Alex Rybakov (18)
- 812 - Collin Altamirano (19)
- 906 - Reilly Opelka (18)
- 970 - William Bushamuka (19)
- 980 - Eduardo Nava (18)
A few of these guys playing in Mexico Challenger this week:
http://www.protennislive.com/posting/2015/7351/mds.pdf
Escobedo on now: splits set with Mitchell "Freddy" Krueger
Given how big this thread has gotten, I feel as if I need to stop lurking and start sharing a DB story. Back in maybe like 2009 I played him in a men's open tournament. By that stage, I had spent around 8+ years in a 60 to 70 hour per week desk job, and was on the wrong side of 30. I had played college tennis for a top 40 program as a legit walk on, but nevertheless a walkon, and had won my share of real small weekend money tournaments in my 20s ($300 to $500). I only say this to give you guys some perspective on the level. I was playing about 1x per month at that stage, and had spent my 20s "playing myself into shape" in sporadic weekend men's open tournaments in the Northeast (Manhattan court time insanely expensive), where admittedly competition was very weak compared to where I played in Florida as a kid.
My friend and I decided to fly out to LA to play a men's open tournament-- maybe a money tournament, I really can't remember. I drew DB in either my first match or second match. He was 13 or 14 I think, though with each retelling of the story from my wife, he gets younger and younger. I think maybe he was 6 years old at this stage in the retelling......
We ended up splitting sets, and I lost in a super-10 like 10-7 or something----this was just when they were starting to get popular in men's tournaments. Anyway, I have obviously followed the kid's career since then, hoping one day to see him on Ashe and tell my friends I played him. At the time, I thought a few things:
1). He was legit. His strokes were clean off the ground, he was a lanky kid, and he certainly had a future in college, easily. His serve was odd---that's all I remember, but I remember thinking it needed some work. He was never going to be a low-level college recruit. Too good already at that age to be that lowly regarded and he had the frame to have real upside. As long as he stayed focused and healthy, he was easily going to be a blue chip recruit. 100%.
2). He was a nice kid. He hooked me on a big call on a running passing shot in the breaker, and I instinctively yelled "that's bull----" and he immediately said "You're right, I missed the call" as my sister and brother-in-law were rolling on the ground laughing at me trying to beat a 13 year-old kid. Now that I think about it, I am not even sure my wife was there....
3). His dad was a unique person, but respectful and not overbearing versus the other crazy parents I met in the tennis scene over the years. I think the Carson Challenger was that weekend, and I remember speaking to him during that, for like 30 minutes, which is about 29 minutes longer than most conversations I have, so maybe he was a bit pushy, but nothing absurd in my interaction. Sure, he elevated his kid and worked hard to sell him, but he was nowhere near most parents I have met over the years. He gave off the Christian vibe but that was all---nothing mean-spirited and he had quite the personal life story, too. I just sorta listened, and if I didn't follow his son's career, the entire content of the conversation would have faded from my memory.
4). I cheer for the guy. He recently lost a match to another player I know very well who I just played at a tournament this summer, and it sort of let me index DB progress. He is definitely not a pushover or an underacheiver based on what I saw of him at 14 versus where that result comes out now. The difference at the level he is trying to get to is so small, that to say he hasn't lived up to the hype or he is a failure, even if he never wins another ATP point, is unfair at this stage. Who knows at 15 whether a kid will be top 10, top 100 or top 350? The number of breaks you need in your favor coupled with the marginal difference at that stage, it's just too hard to predict.
5). If I were his parents I would have told him to spend 1 year at college, just because even if he is sucessful, he will be out of tennis by 35, so why not have that as a fallback no matter what? He definitely never has been a slam dunk, top 20 talent (who is, really?), so I would have pushed him to 1 year of school. But that's just me, and that's not specific to DB here.
Again, I have had zero interaction with the guy in 6 years, and have only followed at a distance as sort of a running family joke, but DB was legit back then, and I am happy to see his good results. I know this is a long post, but I thought I would share given the board controversy on this kid.
Corrected that for you.This post is fantastic @NYCtennis13
Anyways, back to DB, glad he is slugging away on the lower levels of the tour. He doesn't deserve those wildcards that some Americans tend to sponge and incessantly request (Yes, you, Ryan Harrison). So I respect the hell out of him for doing it the right way. Grind grind grind. I was too young too make much of the DB threads when his dad was taking heat, but I read some of the posts, unnecessary from both sides. A top 500 ranking is nothing to scoff at, and I wish him the best. Always liked his silky strokes, and I once saw a news program that detailed his low-income upbringing. Best of luck to DB and all our young Americans.
ernesto into the semifinals!!!
Speaking of that story lol, my friend beat opelka and tiafoe in a level 4 itf junior tournament 3 years ago... who woulda thought theyd be taking titles like they are now. they were amazing always, but theyre coming on like a wildfire