Delpo proof of what isner is capable of ?

[kragster]

I think delpo showed today how big man tennis can be used to beat pushers. Now imagine a version of delpo with twice the pace on serve and ground strokes. That is basically what isner is. The only thing that has held isner back is poor mental strength and having too much variety. Often isners losses can be attributed to poor shot selection because when you have that many options , sometimes you make the wrong choice vs someone like djokovic/Nadal/Murray whose only option is to push.

Isner is not that old , Agassi was playing great at 35. As a biomechanics expert , I can tell that Isner being twice as tall as Agassi means that he should easily have twice as many prime years. If he gets his mental stuff fixed , he could have 8-10 slam winning years.

 

[Fedfan34]

I think delpo showed today how big man tennis can be used to beat pushers. Now imagine a version of delpo with twice the pace on serve and ground strokes. That is basically what isner is. The only thing that has held isner back is poor mental strength and having too much variety. Often isners losses can be attributed to poor shot selection because when you have that many options , sometimes you make the wrong choice vs someone like djokovic/Nadal/Murray whose only option is to push.

Isner is not that old , Agassi was playing great at 35. As a biomechanics expert , I can tell that Isner being twice as tall as Agassi means that he should easily have twice as many prime years. If he gets his mental stuff fixed , he could have 8-10 slam winning years.

Sure he is! Given that
A) Delpo plays left handed
B) Barefoot
C) Brainless

Otherwise, the only skill in which Isner is twice as great as Delpo in is hitting miserable returns that would make even Roddick blush. Actually, I'm not giving him enough credit, he's *way* more than twice as good as Delpo at that.

 

[Jeffrey573639]

What..............

 

[OHBH]

I think delpo showed today how big man tennis can be used to beat pushers. Now imagine a version of delpo with twice the pace on serve and ground strokes. That is basically what isner is. The only thing that has held isner back is poor mental strength and having too much variety. Often isners losses can be attributed to poor shot selection because when you have that many options , sometimes you make the wrong choice vs someone like djokovic/Nadal/Murray whose only option is to push.

Isner is not that old , Agassi was playing great at 35. As a biomechanics expert , I can tell that Isner being twice as tall as Agassi means that he should easily have twice as many prime years. If he gets his mental stuff fixed , he could have 8-10 slam winning years.

That doesn't make any sense, the big guys tend to get worn out more quickly.

 

[Relinquis]

Rubbish...

Isner is just a serve.

His forehand isn't that impressive, movement sucks, has no touch, no skill, no backhand, average volleys, is a poor athlete by pro tennis standards, .... etc... Shall i go on?

Just a serve bot who has been figured out and has been trounced regularly this year by players who know that all they have to do is block that serve back. One trick pony...

 

[kragster]

Loving the responses!

 

[single_handed_champion]

LOL nice bait thread for Ark_98. If only you'd laid off the snark completely in your OP, you would have had him take over the thread with his predictions of the number of Wimbledons he is destined to win

 

[Doubles]

As the last poster said, this is the perfect thread for Ark_28.

 

[zagor]

I think delpo showed today how big man tennis can be used to beat pushers. Now imagine a version of delpo with twice the pace on serve and ground strokes. That is basically what isner is. The only thing that has held isner back is poor mental strength and having too much variety. Often isners losses can be attributed to poor shot selection because when you have that many options , sometimes you make the wrong choice vs someone like djokovic/Nadal/Murray whose only option is to push.

Isner is not that old , Agassi was playing great at 35. As a biomechanics expert , I can tell that Isner being twice as tall as Agassi means that he should easily have twice as many prime years. If he gets his mental stuff fixed , he could have 8-10 slam winning years.

Hahaha, great thread .

IsnerServeKing (Ark) will be here shortly I assume.

 

[abmk]

great thread

 

[ark_28]

I think delpo showed today how big man tennis can be used to beat pushers. Now imagine a version of delpo with twice the pace on serve and ground strokes. That is basically what isner is. The only thing that has held isner back is poor mental strength and having too much variety. Often isners losses can be attributed to poor shot selection because when you have that many options , sometimes you make the wrong choice vs someone like djokovic/Nadal/Murray whose only option is to push.

Isner is not that old , Agassi was playing great at 35. As a biomechanics expert , I can tell that Isner being twice as tall as Agassi means that he should easily have twice as many prime years. If he gets his mental stuff fixed , he could have 8-10 slam winning years.

Excellent thread! Let's give credit to Del Po it was a good performance I feel like he has stepped up this year.

As for John he made the final here last year and knows that it's about stepping up for the majors now! I agree that there was a slight loss of confidence for John he did have time out the game with injury that never helps!

You are also so right in that John maybe almost 28 but he didn't start up as a Pro till 22 as he played college tennis so he is a very young 28 and has many more miles left in the clock which is a very scary thought for the rest of the tour indeed if that booming serve starts to pop to go with those massive groundies then then rest of the tour are in dire straights!

 

[Macro80]

Hahahahaha what a ludicrous thread title.

Does Rafa show is what Donald Young is capable of?

 

[Rogael Naderer]

Del Potro's result is proof of what DelPotro is capable of, his groundstrokes and tennis brain are far beyond Isner's, he won with intelligence, Isner loses with stupidity.

 

[Warmaster]

Obvious troll but still successful, it's too easy on TW! Good job OP!

 

[forzamilan90]

Isner is no Del Potro by any means. Del Potro is actually an incredible player, and the tallest man to win to a major at 6'6"

 

[PSNELKE]

Please don't feed ark_28.

 

[Laurie]

Del Potro indeed is he tallest play to win a major. Todd Martin got to two finals but couldn't win one.

But, the tallest player to get to number 1 was Boris Becker at 6 ft 4, and he was only number for a short period I think.

Tennis is not Golf, movement is a huge part of the game, to win big titles consistently you have to move well. Isner is just too tall to move well and be a contender, it is not just about blasting the ball past your opponent, whether the court is slow or quick.

 

[Romismak]

No Isner is joke- to tall to compete with best - i think if you are over 2m you must be limited, Delpo is great mover for his height for sure. I think Delpo is ideal player of future - big strong tall guy, only thing that is missing besides being 100% healthy all the time is serve - his serve is good, but not good enough for his height - i mean Querrey is the same height and Milos is smaller, of course than you have guys like Hanescu and Cilic - same height and even worse serve, but imagine current Delpo even with his injuries with say 1 level better serve - say 10kph + on 1st serve, 20-30% more free points on 1st serve and you have best player in the world

Similar case can be made with Berdych- give him Milos´s serve and he would be No.1. I really thinkg big hitter + big server combination in future will dominate the tour full of average tall baseliners.

 

[Tennusdude]

I wonder if i learn to run on stilts as fast as isner runs without stilts if I could play world class tennis. I wonder if stilts are allowed.

 

[Laurie]

No Isner is joke- to tall to compete with best - i think if you are over 2m you must be limited, Delpo is great mover for his height for sure. I think Delpo is ideal player of future - big strong tall guy, only thing that is missing besides being 100% healthy all the time is serve - his serve is good, but not good enough for his height - i mean Querrey is the same height and Milos is smaller, of course than you have guys like Hanescu and Cilic - same height and even worse serve, but imagine current Delpo even with his injuries with say 1 level better serve - say 10kph + on 1st serve, 20-30% more free points on 1st serve and you have best player in the world

Similar case can be made with Berdych- give him Milos´s serve and he would be No.1. I really thinkg big hitter + big server combination in future will dominate the tour full of average tall baseliners.

I don't know, they have been predicting that sort of thing for years, that tall players over 6 ft 4 would take over and dominate. In the 1990s you had guys like Stich, Ivanisevic, Martin, Krajicek, Becker, Phillippoussis who were all 6 ft 4 plus, and none of them dominated. Rusedski never got beyond the quarterfinal of Wimbledon in his entire career. I even remember Alexander Popp who was 6 ft 7 but only won a few rounds at Wimbledon every year and then you never heard his name mentioned until the next Wimbledon.

In tennis there definitely seems to be a threshold height wise. Del Potro has done extremely well but I don't see him dominating. Raonic could have a career similar to a Stich or Krajicek although both those guys won clay events. Not sure Berdych has the heart, determination and temperment to beat the best, tennis is not the actual issue with him.

 

[Metalica]

ironically djokovic had more winners and errors probably alot more forced errors though

 

[Relinquis]

americans are so obsessed with height and size... *sigh*

you guys play tennis, right? is it always the biggest/tallest guy who wins?

 

[bullfan]

I think delpo showed today how big man tennis can be used to beat pushers. Now imagine a version of delpo with twice the pace on serve and ground strokes. That is basically what isner is. The only thing that has held isner back is poor mental strength and having too much variety. Often isners losses can be attributed to poor shot selection because when you have that many options , sometimes you make the wrong choice vs someone like djokovic/Nadal/Murray whose only option is to push.

Isner is not that old , Agassi was playing great at 35. As a biomechanics expert , I can tell that Isner being twice as tall as Agassi means that he should easily have twice as many prime years. If he gets his mental stuff fixed , he could have 8-10 slam winning years.

You just keep telling yourself this..... I guess the fact that John's older than Rafa doesn't tell you a thing about his prime, which I believe was in 2010.

 

[Bobby Jr]

I think delpo showed today how big man tennis can be used to beat pushers. Now imagine a version of delpo with twice the pace on serve and ground strokes. That is basically what isner is. The only thing that has held isner back is poor mental strength and having too much variety. Often isners losses can be attributed to poor shot selection...

Delpo and Isner are as far apart in their ability potential so as to make the comparison almost pointless. One is a tall guy who is a great hitter, mentally strong, moves pretty well and has tennis x-factor. The other is a 250 rank level player with an exception serve.

You say the only thing that held Isner back is a poor mentality and too much variety? Surely you're joking on this point? How about his utterly terrible movement (I could move better than Isner), his backhand weak, his forehand patchy and volleys average. His gamecraft almost rendered irrelevant by these details.

As a biomechanics expert , I can tell that Isner being twice as tall as Agassi means that he should easily have twice as many prime years...

As a "biomechanics expert" surely you will see the inherent and significant downsides to being overly tall? Anecdotal and historic evidence all points to Isner being hampered for his entire career by height related issues - lack of speed, lack of direction changing ability and lack of endurance.

The Delpo match vs Djokovic doesn't show what Isner is capable of, it basically shows what the thread-starter here is incapable of: watching tennis and actually seeing what is going on.

After reading some of the replies to this thread I realise it was so ludicrous it probably didn't even warrant a response.

 

[kragster]

All I see are a bunch of haters in this thread . I think it's ok though, nobody trusts talent until they see it. Back in 2000 when folks were talking about Feds genius , no one took it seriously.

 

[NadalAgassi]

Why are people taking this thread seriously. It is obvious it is meant as a joke thread, mocking ark, and it is quite a funny one.

 

[Cup8489]

Epic troll thread kragster.

 

[Bobby Jr]

...nobody trusts talent until they see it. Back in 2000 when folks were talking about Feds genius , no one took it seriously.

And Federer was still probably a better player in 2000 than Isner was at his peak.

 

[Fedex]

I think delpo showed today how big man tennis can be used to beat pushers. Now imagine a version of delpo with twice the pace on serve and ground strokes. That is basically what isner is. The only thing that has held isner back is poor mental strength and having too much variety. Often isners losses can be attributed to poor shot selection because when you have that many options , sometimes you make the wrong choice vs someone like djokovic/Nadal/Murray whose only option is to push.

Isner is not that old , Agassi was playing great at 35. As a biomechanics expert , I can tell that Isner being twice as tall as Agassi means that he should easily have twice as many prime years. If he gets his mental stuff fixed , he could have 8-10 slam winning years.

I see TTMR's sarcasm really rubbing off on people.

 

[70後]

btw, Isner's volleys imo are below average. Mac once played doubles with him and you could see how frustrated he was with his partner whose hands seemed to be made out of rocks. And in Hopman mixed, even Kristina Mladenovic volleyed better than Isner.

 

[kragster]

I see TTMR's sarcasm really rubbing off on people.

This forums SQ(sarcasm quotient) is notoriously low.
Allows for some great laughs. Just read all the detailed responses in this thread.

 

[jrs]

Yes, agreed - Isner's problem is shots selection - he should choose to hit majority of the shots in the court than out.

 

[mattennis]

Surprised that many posters don't understand the OP's parody work (which was obvious, to mock arc28 threads).

Del Potro indeed is he tallest play to win a major. Todd Martin got to two finals but couldn't win one.

But, the tallest player to get to number 1 was Boris Becker at 6 ft 4, and he was only number for a short period I think.

Tennis is not Golf, movement is a huge part of the game, to win big titles consistently you have to move well. Isner is just too tall to move well and be a contender, it is not just about blasting the ball past your opponent, whether the court is slow or quick.

Boris Becker was 1.90 m (6' 3''). Marat Safin (1.93m or 6' 4''), a bit taller, is the tallest nº1 ever.

Juan Martin Del Potro (1.98 m) and Richard Krajicek (1.96 m) are the two tallest GS champions as far as I remember.

 

[Laurie]

Surprised that many posters don't understand the OP's parody work (which was obvious, to mock arc28 threads).



Boris Becker was 1.90 m (6' 3''). Marat Safin (1.93m or 6' 4''), a bit taller, is the tallest nº1 ever.

Juan Martin Del Potro (1.98 m) and Richard Krajicek (1.96 m) are the two tallest GS champions as far as I remember.

Thanks for that, I forgot Safin was number 1 for a short period. Remember they were also predicting Safn to dominate?

 

[Laurie]

All I see are a bunch of haters in this thread . I think it's ok though, nobody trusts talent until they see it. Back in 2000 when folks were talking about Feds genius , no one took it seriously.

I have no idea if you are messing around but I remember in 2000 big things were predicted for Federer, especially after he won the Milan indoor tournament, his first title, the commentators were predicting a stellar career during the final.

 

[mattennis]

Thanks for that, I forgot Safin was number 1 for a short period. Remember they were also predicting Safn to dominate?

Yes, just after the 2000 US OPEN, many people (including Sampras) thought Safin would dominate the 00s.

In that moment there were still some fast hard courts and some fast indoor carpet (not to the extent of the 80s and beginning of the 90s, but there were some).

In that moment I think very few people could imagine that they would change surfaces speed so much and so new strings and super-top-spin would be THAT important everywhere in few years.

Safin hit so hard and flat, had an amazing powerful serve, he could return great, he was so physically imponent, strong and very fast (for his height, when he was 20 I mean). All those attributes were great for a good portion of the Tour conditions at that time. There's more, he could play very well on slower hard courts and on clay too.

Five years earlier it was the same with Mark Philippoussis (in the 1995 US OPEN, Mark was 18 and played great, great tennis).

At the end of the 90s and beginning of the 00s many people (including many players like Bjorkman for example) thought that players like Philippoussis and Safin would dominate tennis in the 00s.

As I said, I guess nobody at that time could imagine how slow surfaces would get in few years, and how important mega-top-spin with the new strings would be in those future years.

 

[spinovic]

Realistically, Delpo can go pretty big on serve, but Isner gets the advantage there. Unfortunately, that's it.

Delpo's forehand is better, IMO. I think he's better on the backhand as well, especially when he's healthy and can cut it loose. And, now he's added some variety to his game with the slice.

The biggest gap, IMO, though is movement. Delpo moves and defends significantly better. Movement is such a huge issue in today's tennis, that makes it a pretty big gap, IMO.

 

[Ehh]

Excellent thread! Let's give credit to Del Po it was a good performance I feel like he has stepped up this year.

As for John he made the final here last year and knows that it's about stepping up for the majors now! I agree that there was a slight loss of confidence for John he did have time out the game with injury that never helps!

You are also so right in that John maybe almost 28 but he didn't start up as a Pro till 22 as he played college tennis so he is a very young 28 and has many more miles left in the clock which is a very scary thought for the rest of the tour indeed if that booming serve starts to pop to go with those massive groundies then then rest of the tour are in dire straights!

Yeh, I agree, when you've won so many smaller tournaments and Masters as Isner has, it's hard to get motivated for anything other than the biggest stages in tennis: The Slams. Even then, when you've racked up as many Slams as Isner has manged to in his illustrious career, it's more about the Calendar Year Grand Slam - which John was so painfully close to achieving last year, but unfortunately his God-like Spanish rival (I am of course referring to F. Lopez) pipped him to the post in the 3rd round of the first Slam of the year.

 

[batz]

*Doffs cap in Kragster's direction*

They were up like salmon. Like salmon I tells ya.

 

[kragster]

*Doffs cap in Kragster's direction*

They were up like salmon. Like salmon I tells ya.

Sadly one day the salmon will dry and I will have to go elsewhere to fish. But that day is not today

Del Potro is twice the player Isner can ever aspire to be.

Isner has a much better serve obviously (and volleys), but that's it. His ground strokes aren't better at all. His movement either. And JDMP is much stronger mentally and smarter.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Del Potro is twice the player Isner can ever aspire to be.

Isner has a much better serve obviously (and volleys), but that's it. His ground strokes aren't better at all. His movement either. And JDMP is much stronger mentally and smarter.

 

[Clay lover]

WTF. Other than the serve, Del Potro is clearly more talented in every aspect of the game than Isner.

 

[NEW_BORN]

Difference between Delpo and Isner is that Delpo has an athletic gene.
Isner is a Durant wannabe...only much much worse LOL

 

[TCG]

Nice troll thread. Had a good laugh

 

[matchmaker]

After reading some of the replies to this thread I realise it was so ludicrous it probably didn't even warrant a response.

Now, now, you've figured that out for yourself, didn't you?

 

[Relinquis]

Isner is very average at the net, it's just that his serve is so big, he usually gets an easy puttaway or 1st volley.

 

[The Meat]

Deleted comment, this thread gave me cancer.