Djoker mirroring Courier?

[SLD76]

http://amarillo.com/stories/051000/spo_167-4683.shtml#.WRhDtuJOlDs

An article about Jim Courier's retirement citing burn out as the main reason for leaving tennis.


Key quote from the man himself "It was a gradual feeling where my enthusiasm to train and prepare started waning. I was not enthusiastic when I was getting ready to play the matches. I was to the point where I was almost going to start going through the motions"

So...as I have said in other posts, all this hand wringing about Pepe is nonsense and an easy target for a more complicated issue.

Not only is Djoker facing physical decline...the man is imo, more than a little bit burnt out after grinding for so long, chasing Fedal and then ultimately dominating the tour.

Becker said his training intensity had slackened. Djoker himself has admitted to wanting to find a "winning spark" and motivation

I said before , it makes sense in a way that Djoker has parted with his old team. He is no longer a rising young lion, he is a man who has been to and perched upon the mountain top and now finds himself making his way back down.

Hopefully he can sort out his head and adjust his game


If not, it's been a great career.

 

[ACE of Hearts]

http://amarillo.com/stories/051000/spo_167-4683.shtml#.WRhDtuJOlDs

An article about Jim Courier's retirement citing burn out as the main reason for leaving tennis.


Key quote from the man himself "It was a gradual feeling where my enthusiasm to train and prepare started waning. I was not enthusiastic when I was getting ready to play the matches. I was to the point where I was almost going to start going through the motions"

So...as I have said in other posts, all this hand wringing about Pepe is nonsense and an easy target for a more complicated issue.

Not only is Djoker facing physical decline...the man is imo, more than a little bit burnt out after grinding for so long, chasing Fedal and then ultimately dominating the tour.

Becker said his training intensity had blackened. Djoker himself has admitted to wanting to find a "winning spark" and motivation

I said before , it makes sense in a way that Djoker has parted with his old team. He is no longer a rising young lion, he is a man who has been to and perched upon the mountain top and now finds himself making his way back down.

Hopefully he can sort out his head and adjust his game


If not, it's been a great career.

He's definitely back in the pack with the rest of the guys who have lost a step. This is why i would still take a prime federer or Nadal over a prime djokovic.

 

[citybert]

Nice comparison. When Courier was reading a book during a changover it was over. Also there are similarities with PEDs as Courier was a Conte client. He still clearly loves the game and stayed in more than Agassi and Sampras.

I think its still a little too early for Novak though.

 

[BGod]

Nope. Wilander.

 

[sportmac]

http://amarillo.com/stories/051000/spo_167-4683.shtml#.WRhDtuJOlDs

An article about Jim Courier's retirement citing burn out as the main reason for leaving tennis.


Key quote from the man himself "It was a gradual feeling where my enthusiasm to train and prepare started waning. I was not enthusiastic when I was getting ready to play the matches. I was to the point where I was almost going to start going through the motions"

So...as I have said in other posts, all this hand wringing about Pepe is nonsense and an easy target for a more complicated issue.

Not only is Djoker facing physical decline...the man is imo, more than a little bit burnt out after grinding for so long, chasing Fedal and then ultimately dominating the tour.

Becker said his training intensity had slackened. Djoker himself has admitted to wanting to find a "winning spark" and motivation

I said before , it makes sense in a way that Djoker has parted with his old team. He is no longer a rising young lion, he is a man who has been to and perched upon the mountain top and now finds himself making his way back down.

Hopefully he can sort out his head and adjust his game


If not, it's been a great career.

It's true we're just speculating about Pepe. Still, I'd argue if Pepe is not the cause then the more complicated issues could result in Pepe. If your argument is true, exhausted, burnt out, etc., Pepe is quite the (refreshing?) change.

 

[airchallenge2]

I was thinking about Wilander, too. Only Nole had 2 separate years with 3 GS titles, while Matts had only one and out.

 

[atp2015]

he is a man who has been to and perched upon the mountain top and now finds himself making his way back down.

Hopefully he can sort out his head and adjust his game


If not, it's been a great career.

Agree with most of what you said.
The mountain top is 18 slams, is it not? Not sure if he has reached the proverbial peak of the mountain yet. He may or may not have started the journey down, but the peak is currently looking down and he is looking up.
Does he have his chest to the peak or the back?

 

[SLD76]

Agree with most of what you said.
The mountain top is 18 slams, is it not? Not sure if he has reached the proverbial peak of the mountain yet. He may or may not have started the journey down, but the peak is currently looking down and he is looking up.
Does he have his chest to the peak or the back?

Please stop with this b.s..

 

[atp2015]

Please stop with this b.s..

Everything looks b.s. to me when I'm deep down in a b.s. hole

 

[BeatlesFan]

I've been saying for almost a year that Djoker has been going down the route of Wilander and Courier. Most people here weren't even alive, apparently, when Mats was a player so they didn't watch it happen. Once a player goes down that route, there's no coming back. Djoker is as bad on court as either Mats or Courier were in their last stages. He's a greater and better player than either, so his decline hasn't looked as epic, but he's lost it. And once the genie is out of the bottle, there's no putting it back in.

 

[Backspin1183]

I've been saying for almost a year that Djoker has been going down the route of Wilander and Courier. Most people here weren't even alive, apparently, when Mats was a player so they didn't watch it happen. Once a player goes down that route, there's no coming back. Djoker is as bad on court as either Mats or Courier were in their last stages. He's a greater and better player than either, so his decline hasn't looked as epic, but he's lost it. And once the genie is out of the bottle, there's no putting it back in.

And how old are you, sir?

 

[Gary Duane]

I've been saying for almost a year that Djoker has been going down the route of Wilander and Courier. Most people here weren't even alive, apparently, when Mats was a player so they didn't watch it happen. Once a player goes down that route, there's no coming back. Djoker is as bad on court as either Mats or Courier were in their last stages. He's a greater and better player than either, so his decline hasn't looked as epic, but he's lost it. And once the genie is out of the bottle, there's no putting it back in.

Just as true for Borg once he lost the fire.

Some players have no regrets later on, so it's fine and a natural process. But others regret giving up too soon.

It could go either way for Novak.

Some people find out later that they enjoy teaching/coaching more than being at the center of so much attention but loaded up with responsibilities. Players at the top give up almost everything to stay there, which includes among other things nearly zero privacy, year around training, careful dieting, no drinking (even a reasonable amount), not enough traveling for fun.

I think Evert once said she never got to really see London or Paris until after her career.

Federer may be the most completed of all the top guys. He is supremely extroverted, and a lot of things just come easier to him. He seems to have more time to do the things he wants to do. He enjoys being around people.

I identify most with Sampras and other guys like him. I loathe socializing, and talking to stupid people makes me crazy.

 

[Gary Duane]

And how old are you, sir?

Waiting for a reply because I never assume the gender of anyone who has not stated it.

 

[Mainad]

Agree with most of what you said.
The mountain top is 18 slams, is it not?

Not necessarily. If you climb Mount Everest then you've reached the peak of mountain-climbing. It doesn't matter if someone has climbed it more times than you. Djokovic has won all 4 Slams and is one of only 8 players in the history of the game to win double digit Slam titles and 1 of only 8 to complete the CGS. With 1 or 2 exceptions he has won every single important title many times over. I think we can safely judge that he has reached the peak which, as far as he was concerned, was reached when he won the French Open last year.

Not sure if he has reached the proverbial peak of the mountain yet. He may or may not have started the journey down, but the peak is currently looking down and he is looking up.
Does he have his chest to the peak or the back?

I think he is trying his hardest to get back but it's going to take time.

 

[thrust]

http://amarillo.com/stories/051000/spo_167-4683.shtml#.WRhDtuJOlDs

An article about Jim Courier's retirement citing burn out as the main reason for leaving tennis.


Key quote from the man himself "It was a gradual feeling where my enthusiasm to train and prepare started waning. I was not enthusiastic when I was getting ready to play the matches. I was to the point where I was almost going to start going through the motions"

So...as I have said in other posts, all this hand wringing about Pepe is nonsense and an easy target for a more complicated issue.

Not only is Djoker facing physical decline...the man is imo, more than a little bit burnt out after grinding for so long, chasing Fedal and then ultimately dominating the tour.

Becker said his training intensity had slackened. Djoker himself has admitted to wanting to find a "winning spark" and motivation

I said before , it makes sense in a way that Djoker has parted with his old team. He is no longer a rising young lion, he is a man who has been to and perched upon the mountain top and now finds himself making his way back down.

Hopefully he can sort out his head and adjust his game


If not, it's been a great career.

 

[thrust]

I meant to agree, that even if Novak were to retire today, he will have had a great ATG career.

 

[Jaitock1991]

I've been saying for almost a year that Djoker has been going down the route of Wilander and Courier. Most people here weren't even alive, apparently, when Mats was a player so they didn't watch it happen. Once a player goes down that route, there's no coming back. Djoker is as bad on court as either Mats or Courier were in their last stages. He's a greater and better player than either, so his decline hasn't looked as epic, but he's lost it. And once the genie is out of the bottle, there's no putting it back in.

Have to agree with this(not that I'm old enough to have witnessed it myself, but I do get the picture). The only thing that has surprised me about Djoker's "decline" is the rate of which it has happened at, as he has literally gone from being near unbeatable for everyone on tour to looking like a regular journeyman in a matter of months.

 

[Mustard]

More like post-1988 Wilander. So far, anyway.

This is the case because once Wilander won the 1988 US Open, he had won 3 of the 4 majors (during 1988 and career-wise) and had become world number 1. Winning the US Open and becoming world number 1 were goals of Wilander's from the start of 1987. Once he got there, his enthusiasm and motivation dropped off, and the challenge of staying at world number 1 didn't interest him like the challenge of getting to world number 1. Djokovic has gone through something similar after finally winning the French Open after years of trying. It requires a new mental focus and a new motivation from what was driving Djokovic before the 2016 French Open was won, and Djokovic has struggled with that. Djokovic's family life might have changed his priorities, too.

 

[noobforehand20]

dude stop it with the drama, i dont think novak will reach the unclimbable peak that he was these last years, but its not like he will fade away just like that, remember that other things are going in his life and also you have to consider the price of reaching such a high level for so long, you have to deal with the unwind and release of all that pressure that you have to live with constantly, i wrote a year ago exaclty about what would happen if novak just didnt replicate his level and thats whats happening, people taking it too dramatically about his level too soon

 

[ACE of Hearts]

More like post-1988 Wilander. So far, anyway.

This is the case because once Wilander won the 1988 US Open, he had won 3 of the 4 majors (during 1988 and career-wise) and had become world number 1. Winning the US Open and becoming world number 1 were goals of Wilander's from the start of 1987. Once he got there, his enthusiasm and motivation dropped off, and the challenge of staying at world number 1 didn't interest him like the challenge of getting to world number 1. Djokovic has gone through something similar after finally winning the French Open after years of trying. It requires a new mental focus and a new motivation from what was driving Djokovic before the 2016 French Open was won, and Djokovic has struggled with that. Djokovic's family life might have changed his priorities, too.

I think it's not only mentally but physically. He has lost a step.

 

[GabeT]

I've been saying for almost a year that Djoker has been going down the route of Wilander and Courier. Most people here weren't even alive, apparently, when Mats was a player so they didn't watch it happen. Once a player goes down that route, there's no coming back. Djoker is as bad on court as either Mats or Courier were in their last stages. He's a greater and better player than either, so his decline hasn't looked as epic, but he's lost it. And once the genie is out of the bottle, there's no putting it back in.

As a Nole fan I hope this is not true. But who knows? If it is so he's had an amazing career.

 

[tennis_pro]

He looked washed up in the Nadal match to be honest. Because his decline is still fairly fresh I'm giving him time until the 2018 AO to make sure that he's really done.

Murray looks to be in the same boat too btw. Quotes from him like "I'm a little big concerned with my form" aren't great signs for the future.

 

[Mustard]

Djokovic will recover (to whatever extent) when he settles into a new focus and motivation in his career. Of course, he will need to find the necessary desire, motivation and dedication to do that. From when he hired Becker as coach at the start of 2014, Djokovic's motivation seemed to be, dominate events (especially the big events, with Becker helping mentally) and win the French Open as the ultimate goal. Once he had won the French Open, Djokovic is in a completely different place mentally. Therefore, it was no surprise to me when Djokovic and Becker parted company. Agassi has been rumoured as a possible coach, and the logic behind that seems to be that Agassi knows about late career dedication, professionalism and focus.

 

[Noelan]

The way that some fans here are so fascinated with him is a phenomenon.
To answer OP question, no, hes only mirroring himself as each player.
Djoks career path has nothing similar to Jim