Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by tennis_pro, Jan 27, 2013.
RG and Wimbledon will be very tough for him, if he wins RG then I will take notice.
I agree. If Nadal does not make a strong comeback, then Djokovic will have no serious threat stopping him from winning the FO, but I'm hoping Nadal does make that successful comeback on clay and we see a big showdown at RG.
The other thing is that Fed/Nadal has never been a major hard court rivalry. They've played in 1 AO final and 0 USO final. That is not enough to talk about a rivalry. Murray/Djokovic (as well as Nadal/Djokovic) is much more recent but has already happened in 3 slam finals (1 USO, 2 AO or 2 USO, 1 AO). So, I fail to see the comparison. Fed/Nadal happened on clay and grass exclusively (4 finals at RG and 3 at W) and Djoko/Murray is not happening at all on those surfaces. So, the comparison makes no sense.
Fed made 5 finals at AO, got 5 different opponents (Safin, Baghs, Gonzalez, Nadal, Murray). What rivalry? He made 6 USO finals, got 6 different opponents (Hewitt, Agassi, Roddick, Djokovic, Murray, Delpo).
The truth is this is the 1st time in ages that we have a significant rivalry developing on hard court. Before that, what we had was a domination by 1 player (Fed) and no rivalry to speak of.
Well, Federer and Djokovic did play five consecutive years at the U.S. Open. Four of them just happened to be semifinals.
Why thank you, kind sir! That means more to me than you know!
That's true but because it didn't happen in finals (2 AO and 4 USO semis), it was never really in the spotlight (for that reason I wouldn't call it a major one). But yes, at least it happened, unlike Fed/Nadal which didn't happen at all.
Nah, I don't think so. Nadal, if he is back and plays the S. American swing is still the favorite to win the FO. Murray, even though he choked in that AO final has still improved a lot and he will come back and beat Djokovic at maybe W or the USO. Federer is a question mark for W? So no, I don't think Djokovic will win the calendar slam in 2013. People always get carried away after a player wins one slam at the beginning of the year.
He's not the favorite at either RG or W but of course he will be a contender for both, especially RG where he will be 2nd favorite after Rafa.
Get real, he hasnt won anything outside clay since Tokyo in October 2010
If federer dosent play well in Wimbledon Murray will be have the best chance, but on grass i would pick 32 year old federer over novak and if it rains its really a no contest
I'm still backing Rafa at the French.
There was a similar discussion this time last year, and it didn't happen. But I agree with another poster, if it's ever gonna happen, this is the year. You need a bit of luch to win 28 slam matches in a calendar year. Nadal not being at the FO or sub-par Nadal being at the FO is the first bit of luck Djok needs.
LMAO! Has to go 12-10 in a fifth set to the #15 seed on his favorite surface and he's a candidate for Laver status???
If Nadal returns healthy, Djok the Ripper isn't even the co-favorite at RG. Even without Nadal, he's not a clear favorite at Wimby (Fed/Murray final wouldn't be out of the question there).
It's January...start this CYGS talk in June or July.
It depends heavily on Rafa. If Rafa returns healthy and fit, Novak has to wait for another year.
And it's too early to talk about CYGS at this moment. Bookmark this and come back after FO.
No he didn't, but safe for a bad line call at 4-4 in the fifth, he certainly might. Which proves my point: things are not as black and white as you make them out to be.
And 2011 was a pretty big upset at the French considering Nole had just beat Nadal twice.
French open - Not unless he gets another lucky draw
Wimbledon - I expect Murray or Federer to take this
US open - Yeah he'll prolly win this.
Highly amusing stuff.
Interesting how the last 3 years have seen a Nadalovic domination of the slams. Djoko played the last 3 finals at AO and USO, Nadal the last 3 finals at RG. Nadal also made 2 of the last 3 at W.
I can't see Djokovic doing the CYGS in 2013. The AO surface and Australian climate (or lack thereof) clearly favor his style. The grass at Wimbledon and clay at RG, have very different properties which don't help him.
I think Wimbledon is his real challenge. At Wimbledon, even mediocre movers can blow beastly-grinders like Djokovic off the court. At Wimbledon, you really don't need a ton of fitness -- like the other slams. You need solid serving and the ability to constantly rally with low bouncing balls.
If there's a guy who can do it, I think he could... but I would be highly surprised if he pulled it off. As good as he is, I just don't see him having enough variety in his game, yet.
He is not winning Wimbledon again. That was a fluke.
No way, he managed to win his most successful slam and now he has less pressure than he had in 2012 so I expect some very successful wins but a calender slam is just too difficult. Rafa will await him on clay, Fed and Andy on grass and USO is wide open for breakthroughs. There's just too little of a chance that he'd be able to overcome all of this.
You realize that since Novak is the greatest thing the world has ever seen (2011), they are 3-2 in slams meetings? Yes that is right, 3-2. And it could be 3-2 in favour of Fed just as easily. Actually, he is the worst machtup Djokovic has by far in the top 4 (barring Nadal on clay, he is a terrible matchup for anyone there). I am not saying by any means that Fed is a favourite in a slam meeting against Djokovic, well in Wimbledon he is, but in RG and the US Open if Fed plays somewhere close to his best he can beat him there no doubt. Try not to make this bolds statements, or you will look really stupid when proven otherwise
He admitted that Fed could beat him at W which you agree with. I also have a feeling Fed won't beat Djoko again at RG. In 2012, Djoko distanced himself from Fed on red clay imo.
The tough path ahead for Djokovic if he actually wants the Grand Slam is that he is not even an outright favorite anywhere. He is the co-favorite with Nadal at RG, with Federer at Wimbledon, and with Murray at USO, in a way. He will likely fail to sweep the field in at least one of those slams. So he cannot think of that now.
who knows really?
he could very well win all 4 and we would hype him to heavens with bunch of threads saying how djokovic gonna win 20 slams.
he could very well stay on this AO alone where you could see people bashing on him saying he will never reach nadal count.
How do you come up with this crap? 2010 and 2011 yes. 2012, no. Not at all.
Murray was in the last 3 grandslam finals, where was Rafalito?
Exactly. Of course Federer always has a chance against Djokovic at Wimbledon, until he is no longer a top 5 caliber player, in fact atleast 7 or 8 guys have a decent shot vs Djokovic on grass, which is why his win at Wimbledon 2011 was so remarkable, and why winning the Grand Slam which would have to include both his first RG and a Wimbledon title would be so amazing if he achieved. However most outside of overzealous Fed fanboys agree a repeat of the 2011 RG upset is highly unlikely to ever happen again. Federer deserved his win there and IMO it wasnt even that big an upset at the time (Djokovic had won only 2 majors, he wasnt really confirmed as the new dominant player until he won Wimbleodn). Federer is now going onwards into his 30s (he wasnt even 30 yet at the time of that match) and clay is not a surface that rewards age, and Djokovic is only growing in confidence on clay all the time. Furthermore Djokovic is 6-1 vs Federer on slow surfaces dating way back to starting in 2009 (when Federer was only 27 and Djokovic nowhere near his prime form), which indicates the 2011 RG result was a lightning in bottle kind of thing at this stage of Federer's career.
hard, but not impossible. we'll see.
it's just to early for predictions
I meant in the last 3 years OVERALL. Murray has only made 1 W final and 1 USO final. He may make many more than that in the future but for now in the last 3 years Nadal has made more than Murray: 2 at W and same at USO. (Notwithstanding the French). So, he's been more dominant.
ETA: and actually, now that I think about it, how do YOU come up with that "not at all"?? Even if I isolate 2012, Nadal is still 2nd most dominant player in slams tie with Murray: # 1 = Djoko with 3 finals, #2 = Nadal and Murray with 2 finals each.
Actually Djokovic`s level on clay was considerable superior in 2011 compared to 2012. So in a way he went backwards. If Fed had beat him at RG 2012, it would be less of an upset than their 2011 encounter (Djoko was in the form of his life previous of that match). In 2012 he was pushed to 5 sets by Seppi and Tsonga (who choked that match badly) , so i fail to see how on earth is Fed hopeless against Djoko in RG. It is true that he was beaten hard in their last match at RG, but Fed had his chances so it wasn`t a one way affair. In their Rome match Fed couldn`t hit a forehand to save his ass and he pushed Nole to a tiebreak. If he is in form he has a decent shot. I give him about 30% chances of victory depending on the draw, injuries, etc. It could be more (for example if Djoko has to go trough Nadal first) or less if Fed is pushed hard in his previous matches. After all, nobody thought possible that he could beat Nadal ever again on a slow, high bouncing court and he toyed with him at IW last year.
eh, no , djoker played much better on clay in 2011 than in 2012 ... it was federer who distanced himself from djoker backwards on clay in 2012 as he didn't play well @ rome or RG ....
yes, this ....
one thing that remains to be seen if fed's level on red clay in 2012 was a blip, if he can pick up his level again this time ....even if it is only for one tournament, RG ..
We will see what happens but all I can say is I totally disagree with you on 30% for Federer beating Djokovic at RG. 30% is what I would give Federer to beat Djokovic at Wimbledon or the U.S Open at this point (well a bit more than 30 at Wimbledon, and a bit less at the U.S Open). French and Australian Open would be nowhere near that at this point IMO. It would be a huge upset if Federer beats Djokovic in a slow court slam ever again.
Lol a bit more than 30% at Wimbledon? Ridiculous, Djokovic was beaten by Federer last year in a straightforward 4 setter at Wimbledon (MUCH less close than the last time they played at the US Open) and then creamed by Murray and Del Potro at the Olympics. A great grass courter he is not....he is the worst of the top 4 on the surface by a good margin and should thank his lucky stars for his Wimbledon title because it won't happen again!
don't be so sure why so aggresive attitude?
Because he hates Djokovic
It's really strange how people hate Novak just because he ended Fedal era.
They can make excuses and say it's not because of that but because of some other things, but the fact is that's the main reason
I doubt it.....FO....hard to overcome Nadal in any shape or form on clay. and Federer is a 50 percent match.
Wimbledon....his worst surface...not a natural mover....2011 played his best Grass tennis of his entire life in the semifinals and final....No one saw that coming. Federer, Murray and Nadal are far better than him.....will beat him in 4.
US Open.....Djokovic is the fav here....and should win it unless Hurricana Andy decides to show up.
I'm fine, everything is ok. Just can't escape the fact that it might be political hatred?!? Dunno, it's really strange that some people hate one player so much. It's really maybe the Balkan problem (Serbia, Croatia, Albania etcetc)... and if its so, it's really really stupid.
What did Nadal win?
Yeah, He Boss
Nadal will win Clay Slam in South America
Well, I didn't ask you, but since you answered, I will say he won't even win that.
Murray will spoil the Djokovic party at Wimbledon. Maybe even at the USO.
First year since 1967 that two players split the slams winning two slams each of them. It is due after 46 years.
What about 2014?
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