Djokovic has addressed all of his weaknesses throughout his career

HailDjokovic

Semi-Pro
Athleticism and Durability -

Known for forfeiting and giving up mid match through exhaustion and heat. He was known as the complainer and always seemed to have an excuse for his losses. As of now, he is probably the fittest player on tour, and his movement across the 3 surfaces is overall the best. No need to explain his flexibility and sliding which sets him apart from his rivals. He has just won AO 21 with a significant abdominal tear.


Serving -

Serving almost seemed like a detriment to him in the early stages of his career. He double faulted on critical points quite often and his first serve was not considered lethal by any means. He has reformatted his serve form to correct this and with the coaching of Becker and Ivanisevic, has become an ATG placement server. Can now effectively “servebot” his way out of close games, similar to the way Federer does. Second serve (the most important shot in stat metrics) is reliable now, with great pace, spin, and placement.


Volleys and Drop Shot -

Simply put, Djokovic used to be an error machine at the net and his touch was quite lacking. He didn’t become adept at the net until maybe 2014 (coached by Becker). As of recently, he is probably better at the net than most of the players in the top 100 (young players these days cannot volley to save their life: See Medvedev, Coric, Zverev, etc). He is definitely above average in this department and what sets him apart is that he frequents the net quite often and seems fearless on critical points. Most of his recent grand slam victories owe to him finishing points at the net. His surprise serve and volleys work quite well also.

Even more improvement is his drop shot, which he was criticized early on his career for spamming too much. Now, it seems like he always pulls the trigger at the right time for his drop shot.



Overhead -

This has shown no improvement at all and Novak should probably contact Jesus Christ to assist him with this weakness.
 
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Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
Overhead -

This has shown no improvement at all and Novak should probably contact Jesus Christ to assist him with this weakness.

Djoker did hit that monster smash against Medvedev in the first set.
It made an emphatic statement to the lackadaisical lethargic Millenial:
"I am the seven-time AO Champion. Who are you?".

That overhead smash gave everybody chills. The hapless Med collapsed soon afterwards.
 
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steenkash

Hall of Fame
Honestly, I think Djocovic has changed his drop-shot to one of the most clownish on tour, to one of the best ever.
 

HailDjokovic

Semi-Pro
Honestly, I think Djocovic has changed his drop-shot to one of the most clownish on tour, to one of the best ever.
spot on with the clown comment, it used to be atrocious and is now of the best on tour. Federer is still obviously ahead of him in this department however.
 
Definitely improved a lot, that is what made the big 3 so great (apart from their tennis talent), even past age 30 they are improving things.

I also think the overhead thing gets overblown. Yeah he isn't an elite smasher and will occasionally miss an easy one but really he is making most easy smashes like any other top20 player.
 

HailDjokovic

Semi-Pro
6-0 6-2 7-5... what was the weakness?
The weakness being that beating Nadal at the French is the hardest challenge to exist in the history of Tennis. You can’t plan, strategize or
improve weaknesses when you run into a literal god mode lol.

Both Federer, Djokovic, and numerous other players have attempted to give Nadal a different look each time at the FO, and have failed miserably.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
Djoker did hit that monster smash against Medvedev in the first set.
It made an emphatic statement to the lackadaisical lethargic Millenial:
"I am the seven-time AO Champion. Who are you?".

That overhead smash gave everybody chills. The hapless Med collapsed soon afterwards.

Eight-time even.
 

Crazy Finn

Hall of Fame
I think your overrating his skill at the net, somewhat - but you're probably about right in terms of his net play relative to the tour.

Otherwise, you're pretty correct about improvement.

I've watched a lot of tennis over my years and this does NOT happen with a lot of pros. They get older, their skills deteriorate somewhat (even Novak's to a MUCH lesser degree), but usually that's it. Those skills that were weaknesses in their primes, usually remain through their career. They might be a little savvier, a little grittier with their experience of been there and done that - but usually, individual parts of their game didn't significantly improve. Agassi was a little bit of an outlier for this, at the time, as his fitness generally improved through his career - until sciatica really hampered it at the end - and his serve improved somewhat along with his volleys to some degree (to a solid level, nothing spectacular, though his volleys would be near the top of the ATP currently...). Honestly, he's one of the few, though. I honestly can't think of anyone else that improved in an area - let alone multiple areas as their career progressed. I guess Lendl got better at the net and volleying, but... yeah, it's pretty hard to think of other examples. Anyway, Agassi's small improvements are nothing compared to the Big 3, and Novak is definitely the most notable example of this - as you point out.
 
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PETEhammer

Guest
Athleticism and Durability -

Known for forfeiting and giving up mid match through exhaustion and heat. He was known as the complainer and always seemed to have an excuse for his losses. As of now, he is probably the fittest player on tour, and his movement across the 3 surfaces is overall the best. No need to explain his flexibility and sliding which sets him apart from his rivals. He has just won AO 21 with a significant abdominal tear.


Serving -

Serving almost seemed like a detriment to him in the early stages of his career. He double faulted on critical points quite often and his first serve was not considered lethal by any means. He has reformatted his serve form to correct this and with the coaching of Becker and Ivanisevic, has become an ATG placement server. Can now effectively “servebot” his way out of close games, similar to the way Federer does. Second serve (the most important shot in stat metrics) is reliable now, with great pace, spin, and placement.


Volleys and Drop Shot -

Simply put, Djokovic used to be an error machine at the net and his touch was quite lacking. He didn’t become adept at the net until maybe 2014 (coached by Becker). As of recently, he is probably better at the net than most of the players in the top 100 (young players these days cannot volley to save their life: See Medvedev, Coric, Zverev, etc). He is definitely above average in this department and what sets him apart is that he frequents the net quite often and seems fearless on critical points. Most of his recent grand slam victories owe to him finishing points at the net. His surprise serve and volleys work quite well also.

Even more improvement is his drop shot, which he was criticized early on his career for spamming too much. Now, it seems like he always pulls the trigger at the right time for his drop shot.



Overhead -

This has shown no improvement at all and Novak should probably contact Jesus Christ to assist him with this weakness.
This in a nutshell is why so many Pete fans respect Novak. His constant improvement, mental strength, and champion spirit in the face of adversity.
 

steenkash

Hall of Fame
This in a nutshell is why so many Pete fans respect Novak. His constant improvement, mental strength, and champion spirit in the face of adversity.

Tbh Pete could be in a shop with an armed robber, and he would go about his day ignoring the man with the gun.
 
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PETEhammer

Guest
Tbh Pete could be in a shop with an armed robber, and he would go about his day ignoring the man with the gun.


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Crazy Finn

Hall of Fame
This in a nutshell is why so many Pete fans respect Novak. His constant improvement, mental strength, and champion spirit in the face of adversity.
What did Pete improve throughout his career? I don't really feel like he improved in any way. This isn't a knock, he clearly had excellent skills that he used well - but I see him as different than Novak or even Agassi (to a far lesser extent) in this way.

His mentality and toughness - a lot of veteran players develop that to varying degrees - even if they're not as successful as Sampras. I mean actual court skills...

Feel free to convince me, I just couldn't think of any when I wrote a previous comment in this thread and thus didn't mention him.
 
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PETEhammer

Guest
What did Pete improve throughout his career? I don't really feel like he improved in any way. This isn't a knock, he clearly had excellent skills that he used well - but I see him as different than Novak or even Agassi (to a far lesser extent) in this way.

His mentality and toughness - a lot of veteran players develop that to varying degrees - even if they're not as successful as Sampras. I mean actual court skills...

Feel free to convince me, I just couldn't think of any when I wrote a previous comment in this thread and thus didn't mention him.
Used his second serve as more and more of a weapon as he got older, particularly after his injury in '99, chip and charged MUCH more often, just to name a few. @metsman could probably help out too
 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
Overhead -

This has shown no improvement at all and Novak should probably contact Jesus Christ to assist him with this weakness.
He has achieved a relative improvement in this department, as he has hit overheads better than Nadal in 2021.

I would add he has improved playing through injuries, and he has set his further goal in playing in a coma towards the end of this season.
 

metsman

G.O.A.T.
Used his second serve as more and more of a weapon as he got older, particularly after his injury in '99, chip and charged MUCH more often, just to name a few. @metsman could probably help out too
Pete was probably a bit better as a volleyer later in his career but that's about it. Serve was maybe slightly better too, but he had plenty of mammoth serving on the big stages from 93-97. 02 USO last 4 rounds may be the best I've ever seen Pete serve and volley individually, but since he was a bit slower that wasn't his peak as a serve/volleyer.
 

roysid

Hall of Fame
Athleticism and Durability -

Known for forfeiting and giving up mid match through exhaustion and heat. He was known as the complainer and always seemed to have an excuse for his losses. As of now, he is probably the fittest player on tour, and his movement across the 3 surfaces is overall the best. No need to explain his flexibility and sliding which sets him apart from his rivals. He has just won AO 21 with a significant abdominal tear.


Serving -

Serving almost seemed like a detriment to him in the early stages of his career. He double faulted on critical points quite often and his first serve was not considered lethal by any means. He has reformatted his serve form to correct this and with the coaching of Becker and Ivanisevic, has become an ATG placement server. Can now effectively “servebot” his way out of close games, similar to the way Federer does. Second serve (the most important shot in stat metrics) is reliable now, with great pace, spin, and placement.


Volleys and Drop Shot -

Simply put, Djokovic used to be an error machine at the net and his touch was quite lacking. He didn’t become adept at the net until maybe 2014 (coached by Becker). As of recently, he is probably better at the net than most of the players in the top 100 (young players these days cannot volley to save their life: See Medvedev, Coric, Zverev, etc). He is definitely above average in this department and what sets him apart is that he frequents the net quite often and seems fearless on critical points. Most of his recent grand slam victories owe to him finishing points at the net. His surprise serve and volleys work quite well also.

Even more improvement is his drop shot, which he was criticized early on his career for spamming too much. Now, it seems like he always pulls the trigger at the right time for his drop shot.



Overhead -

This has shown no improvement at all and Novak should probably contact Jesus Christ to assist him with this weakness.
This is very accurate observation and I agree fully.

If you talk on impact, the most improved is serve. This AO he just serve botted out of trouble. Its a service improvement plus fast surface advantage.

People who have troubled him in the past like Wawrinka, Mirray etc used to attack his service games a lot. Djokovic used to break them but they also broke back. But in this AO, no chance with that mean serving machine
Unlike Federer where break of serve means u win the set.
 

alexio

G.O.A.T.
mental
djoko choker? lel
крутой уокер.. но согласись это было эпохально как он переиграл ментально как настоящий титан, сначала надаля в 18 году, потом федера в 19 (на уимби), для меня это было некое знамение, доказывающее и показывающее всем нам простым смертным, послание, что он и является лучшим среди них троих, величайшим игроком, сильнейшим победителем, может для тебя это ниче не значило такое совпадение, что именно оба пять сетов матча, оба игрока лидировали и проиграли, оба побежали к сетке как идиоты, боясь обосраться быть униженными с дрожащими коленками (что в итоге и случилось с ними, иронично), и все ведь было в их руках, и оба были обведены одним и тем же ударом и точно мяч приземлился потом примерно в одно и то же место, ах как красиво, не правда ли, плюс джокер мог запросто ебнуть в сетку или аут в результате страха, как феденька сделал например в матче с маратом в мельбурне, но нет ведь, не дрогнула эта глыба в решающий момент, и это качество ценнее по-моему в фундаменте именно величия, чем то кто был лучше на мифическом пике с другими игроками в свои лучшие годы,.. представь что бы было с нашей страной если б на месте сталина был горбачев во время второй мировой, потеряли бы страну тогда, потеряли ..стопудово, без вариантов, вот и я о чем говорю
 
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PETEhammer

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Pete was probably a bit better as a volleyer later in his career but that's about it. Serve was maybe slightly better too, but he had plenty of mammoth serving on the big stages from 93-97. 02 USO last 4 rounds may be the best I've ever seen Pete serve and volley individually, but since he was a bit slower that wasn't his peak as a serve/volleyer.
So even though the Safin match in Australia in 02 was overall a rough one, one of the reasons I enjoy it is Pete's grunts on returns, particularly in the first set. He was hitting some aggressive topspin backhand returns off second serves and rushing in with these manly grunts and I was just like, "is there a better way to lose a R4 match than this?" If there is, I would sure like to know.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
This is very accurate observation and I agree fully.

If you talk on impact, the most improved is serve. This AO he just serve botted out of trouble. Its a service improvement plus fast surface advantage.

People who have troubled him in the past like Wawrinka, Mirray etc used to attack his service games a lot. Djokovic used to break them but they also broke back. But in this AO, no chance with that mean serving machine
Unlike Federer where break of serve means u win the set.
Djoker's serve has been broken several times in this tournament, the others were just useless on their own serves to take advantage.
 

roysid

Hall of Fame
Djoker's serve has been broken several times in this tournament, the others were just useless on their own serves to take advantage.
1) The most crucial match 3rd round, 5th set he just served out of trouble.
2) leads in ace count in AO
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
1) The most crucial match 3rd round, 5th set he just served out of trouble.
2) leads in ace count in AO
Zverev was up a break in 3 different sets in their match. Karatsev also broke Novak in the semis. Even Raonic did it in the 4R.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
As a non-Djokovic fan, I have to agree with all the points @HailDjokovic made. He's gone from a mentally weak attention-seeker who routinely quit in tough matches to an absolute fortress. I have also been amazed at his drop shot prowess and hitting winners off them. Let's wait to see if his serve remains at its AO level. Remember Rafa served 125 MPH in one of his USO wins and we never saw that serve again. Djoker's volleys have also improved and he's coming in more often. He's still awkward and doesn't anticipate well at net, but he's improved greatly from even 5 years ago. All credit to him and good thread topic.
 

Tony48

Legend
Novak's overheads aren't "weak," they're just inconsistent. He'll hit really good ones and and also really bad ones. Everything else is spot on. And even though he corrected the ship with his serving over the last decade, it has gotten even better over the last year.
 

MadariKatu

Hall of Fame
His serve has massively improved, which has been crucial lately, as he's being more error prone with both his forehand and backhand (especially down the line), so he has improved in some areas but also declined in others
 

HailDjokovic

Semi-Pro
Novak's overheads aren't "weak," they're just inconsistent. He'll hit really good ones and and also really bad ones. Everything else is spot on. And even though he corrected the ship with his serving over the last decade, it has gotten even better over the last year.
I have seen college players with more consistent overheads than Novak....
 

Fabresque

Legend
What sets the big 3 apart is their ability to improve aspects of their game the older they get when their other, more reliable weapons are slowly deteriorating. You mention this thread on Novak, we can also mention Nadal’s improved serve and net game (including his solid S+V now), and Federer’s improved backhand and his ability to grind more instead of always itching forward to the net. Novak’s slice has also been massively improved over the years.
 
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