Djokovic has top5 win % on all surfaces

[Lew II]

Open Era Win percentages.....
Laver was 30 when the Open Era started. and he's still top 10 on 2 surfaces. Just from the end of his prime. Insane stuff.

Nothing special when compared to Big3.

2011-20 Federer would be #1 on grass, #2 on hard, #16 on clay
2016-20 Nadal would be #1 on clay, #7 on hard, #7 on grass
2017-20 Djokovic would be #1 on hard, #1 on grass, #11 on clay

 

[King No1e]

Nothing special when compared to Big3.

2011-20 Federer would be #1 on grass, #2 on hard, #16 on clay
2016-20 Nadal would be #1 on clay, #7 on hard, #7 on grass
2017-20 Djokovic would be #1 on hard, #1 on grass, #11 on clay

 

[Lew II]

Average win percentage of Big3 outside clay:

2020 - 86.98
2019 - 86.00
2017 - 85.23
2018 - 84.94
2011 - 84.66
2012 - 84.46
2015 - 84.04
2013 - 83.97
2014 - 83.92
2010 - 82.26
2008 - 81.02
2009 - 80.45
2007 - 80.34
2006 - 79.15
2016 - 76.68
2005 - 76.41

The older they get, the higher their win percentage on fast courts gets.

 

[King No1e]

Average win percentage of Big3 outside clay:

2020 - 86.98
2019 - 86.00
2017 - 85.23
2018 - 84.94
2011 - 84.66
2012 - 84.46
2015 - 84.04
2013 - 83.97
2014 - 83.92
2010 - 82.26
2008 - 81.02
2009 - 80.45
2007 - 80.34
2006 - 79.15
2016 - 76.68
2005 - 76.41

The older they get, the higher their win percentage on fast courts gets.

Do you have stats on their competition in those years, since competition is everything?

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

These stats matters because...... ?

20 slams and counting

 

[ND-13]

These stats matters because...... ?

20 slams and counting

Sure, not just because of 20 alone , but more to do with 13/20

 

[Incognito]

Federer is 1st on Grass and 3rd on Hard ,
Djokovic is 1st on hard and 4th on Grass .

This is why they deserve weeks at no.1 record and are so far ahead of everyone in terms of consistency across surfaces .
Legend stuff

What type of consistency?

Consecutive years of winning at least a major:

Nadal - 10 years
Fed - 8 years
Sampras - 8 years

Djokovic - 6 years

 

[TheNachoMan]

These stats matters because...... ?

20 slams and counting

Just let us have something

 

[mikej]

Win percentage in the Open Era:

1) Djokovic is #1 on hard, #4 on grass, #5 on clay --> average position 3.3
2) Federer is #1 on grass, #3 on hard, #13 on clay --> average position 5.7
3) Borg is #2 on clay, #3 on grass, #14 on hard --> average position 6.3
/ Connors is #4 on hard, #7 on clay, #8 on grass --> average position 6.3
5) Laver is #2 on hard, #7 on grass, #15 on clay --> average position 8.0
6) Nadal is #1 on clay, #10 on hard, #15 on grass --> average position 8.7
7) Lendl is #3 on clay, #5 on hard, #22 on grass --> average position 10.0
8) McEnroe is #2 on grass, #6 on hard, #23 on clay --> average position 10.3
9) Rosewall is #4 on clay, #11 on grass, #20 on hard --> average position 11.7
10) Agassi is #8 on hard, #20 on clay, #28 on grass --> average position 18.7

And he’s #3 in grand slams in his generation, a solid player for sure, potential HOFer

 

[lucky13]

Anyone for just purely GS % for the top 10 all time wins?

Hard	%	W–L
1.	Novak Djokovic	88.2	150–20
2.	Roger Federer	86.8	191–29
3.	Pete Sampras	86.6	116–18
4.	Jimmy Connors	85.9	67–11
5.	/ Ivan Lendl	85.4	105–18
6.	Björn Borg	84.6	22–4
7.	Andre Agassi	84.1	127–24
8.	John McEnroe	83.9	73–14
9.	Rafael Nadal	83.8	129–25
10.	Stefan Edberg	80.8	84–20

	Clay	%	W–L
1.	Rafael Nadal	98.0	100–2
2.	Björn Borg	92.6	63–5
3.	Mats Wilander	83.9	47–9
4.	Novak Djokovic	83.1	74–15
5.	Gustavo Kuerten	81.8	36–8
6.	Jim Courier	81.6	40–9
7.	/ Ivan Lendl	81.5	53–12
8.	Roger Federer	80.5	70–17
9.	Dominic Thiem	80.0	28–7
10.	Guillermo Vilas	79.8	75–19

	Grass	%	W–L
1.	Pete Sampras	90.0	63–7
2.	Björn Borg	88.9	56–7
3.	Roger Federer	88.6	101–13
4.	Novak Djokovic	87.8	72–10
5.	Andy Murray	85.1	57–10
6.	Rod Laver	84.6	44–8
7.	Boris Becker	83.7	77–15
8.	John McEnroe	83.5	66–13
9.	John Newcombe	83.2	89–18
10.	Jimmy Connors	82.3	107–23

* if W2020 was played and if nole, who would have been a big favorite (especially since fed would not play anyway), had won it, his W% would be 88.8% there.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Just let us have something

You can have the weeks and all the stats you want!
If you let us run away w the slam record To actually win and taking the trophy is what all the tennis players are working for. Not to lead some stat %.

 

[TheNachoMan]

You can have the weeks and all the stats you want!
If you let us run away w the slam record To actually win and taking the trophy is what all the tennis players are working for. Not to lead some stat %.

I agree with you, which is why I think Novak needs to cut his schedule once he’s overtaken Fed‘s weeks at #1. The slams are what matters now

 

[RS]

He should have won in 2009. Put Djokovic's brain in his body and he wins imo. Sad he was that good on grass and never held a Wimbledon title.

Yeah Djoko in his peak would have been in trouble vs those versions of Roddick on grass and might lose

 

[Third Serve]

Yeah Djoko in his peak would have been in deep trouble vs those versions of Roddick and could lose

Some versions certainly would, like 2014 or 2019.

 

[RS]

Some versions certainly would, like 2014 or 2019.

2019 was off my mind for peak. 2014 was great in the final.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

I agree with you, which is why I think Novak needs to cut his schedule once he’s overtaken Fed‘s weeks at #1. The slams are what matters now

I really hope 2021 will be a normal tennis year! Will determine the slam race I think.
Think they are planning the Olympics next year but hope it gets cancelled. Cause USO will be over for Djokodal if they play Olympics. Too much w 2 slams almost back to back and then Olympics and USO on top of that. I wonder what they will focus on cause I don’t think either has the body to go RG, Wimbledon, Olympics and USO and play well in all of them. Can Novak have his Olympic Gold please, he really wants that, and Rafa USO? Novak can even have AO, Wimbledon and OG, if Rafa can have RG and USO?

 

[TheNachoMan]

I really hope 2021 will be a normal tennis year! Will determine the slam race I think.
Think they are planning the Olympics next year but hope it gets cancelled. Cause USO will be over for Djokodal if they play Olympics. Too much w 2 slams almost back to back and then USO for them.
I wonder what they will focus on cause I don’t think either has the body to go RG, Wimbledon, Olympics and USO and play well in all of them. Can Novak have his Olympic Gold please, he really wants that, and Rafa USO? Novak can even have AO, Wimbledon and OG, if Rafa can have RG and USO?

I really hope this corona hysteria is over by next year too. It’s been a very strange year

I think Novak will focus on the Olympics. It’s the one last missing piece for him and he’s a very nationalistic person I think. Rafa probably won’t care

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

I really hope this corona hysteria is over by next year too. It’s been a very strange year

I think Novak will focus on the Olympics. It’s the one last missing piece for him and he’s a very nationalistic person I think. Rafa probably won’t care

Oh I think Rafa will care a lot!! He is the most popular sports person in Spain. They expect him to play and they are proud of him. Unfortunately he will probably give all that he has. USO21 is like over already

 

[ForehandRF]

Roddick > Nadal on grass confirmed

Roddick not a mug on grass after all, doesn't matter how much the weak era riders (conveniently) want to portray him that way.

 

[NoleFam]

Yeah Djoko in his peak would have been in trouble vs those versions of Roddick on grass and might lose

2004 version would have given peak Djokovic trouble, yes.

 

[RS]

2004 version would have given peak Djokovic trouble, yes.

Both versions lol.

 

[NoleFam]

Both lol.

2009 against 2015 Djokovic? I think we know how that's going down. Federer wasn't that good in 2009 imo which is why that was Roddick's best chance.

 

[Third Serve]

Both versions lol.

I don't think 2009 Roddick would push 2015 Djokovic so hard. He'd do a bit better than 2015 Fed imo but it would still be wrapped up in four relatively tight sets. 2004 Roddick would do a lot more damage.

 

[RS]

I don't think 2009 Roddick would push 2015 Djokovic so hard. He'd do a bit better than 2015 Fed imo but it would still be wrapped up in four relatively tight sets. 2004 Roddick would do a lot more damage.

Roddick of Wim 09 just gets underlooked compared to 04 i think. Not a huge difference with Roddick in both events.

 

[NoleFam]

Roddick of Wim 09 just gets underlooked compared to 04.

He was wayyy better in 2004 so that's why.

 

[ForehandRF]

Roddick of Wim 09 just gets underlooked compared to 04.

Roddick hit that backhand, in 2009, better than ever before

 

[ForehandRF]

He was wayyy better in 2004 so that's why.

2009 and 2004 were in different conditions and I think that played a role too.2004 looked lower bouncing.

 

[Third Serve]

Roddick of Wim 09 just gets underlooked compared to 04.

I think he was definitely more consistent in 2009, but his weapons were much sharper in 04. Like that devastating serve+FH of his. Weapons are what he needs against Djokovic.

 

[RS]

He was wayyy better in 2004 so that's why.

Not seeing it. Serving and BH better in 04 compared to return and power FH better in 09.

2009 against 2015 Djokovic? I think we know how that's going down. Federer wasn't that good in 2009 imo which is why that was Roddick's best chance.

I think Djokovic would edge it was a part bait

Federer did play well but just not as good as some earlier matches his returning was worse.

 

[NoleFam]

2009 and 2004 were in different codnitions and I think that played a role too.2004 looked lower bouncing.

It did look lower bouncing in 2004, compared to years like 2007-2009 and maybe 2010.

 

[Third Serve]

Not seeing it. Serving and BH better in 04 compared to return and power FH better in 09.

I'd actually say his forehand was better in 2004 and his backhand better in 2009.

 

[TheNachoMan]

He was wayyy better in 2004 so that's why.

He wouldve won if it wasn’t for the damn rain. Could’ve changed the whole dynamic of the sport

 

[Third Serve]

It did look lower bouncing in 2004, compared to years like 2007-2009 and maybe 2010.

The 2003-2004 courts were definitely a bit different from what followed. Looking at the Fed-Roddick 2003-2005 trilogy, the 2005 match featured much higher-bouncing play.

 

[NoleFam]

Not seeing it. Serving and BH better in 04 compared to return and power FH better in 09.


I think Djokovic would edge it was a part bait

Federer did play well but just not as good as some earlier matches his returning was worse.

His forehand was way better in 2004 and much more explosive. His serve was montrous. I think you need to watch that match again.

Federer's returning was not up to par in 2009 imo which was his main detriment that tournament. Serve was on though so that still kept him in front.

 

[Genious at Work]

Win percentage in the Open Era:

1) Djokovic is #1 on hard, #4 on grass, #5 on clay --> average position 3.3
2) Federer is #1 on grass, #3 on hard, #13 on clay --> average position 5.7
3) Borg is #2 on clay, #3 on grass, #14 on hard --> average position 6.3
/ Connors is #4 on hard, #7 on clay, #8 on grass --> average position 6.3
5) Laver is #2 on hard, #7 on grass, #15 on clay --> average position 8.0
6) Nadal is #1 on clay, #10 on hard, #15 on grass --> average position 8.7
7) Lendl is #3 on clay, #5 on hard, #22 on grass --> average position 10.0
8) McEnroe is #2 on grass, #6 on hard, #23 on clay --> average position 10.3
9) Rosewall is #4 on clay, #11 on grass, #20 on hard --> average position 11.7
10) Agassi is #8 on hard, #20 on clay, #28 on grass --> average position 18.7

Djokovic is like a machine, extremely consistent. I wouldn't count him out of the slam record either. Not that I like his game, but there is no point in ignoring the facts.

 

[RS]

His forehand was way better in 2004 and much more explosive. His serve was montrous. I think you need to watch that match again.

Federer's returning was not up to par in 2009 imo which was his main detriment that tournament. Serve was on though so that still kept him in front.

Roddick served well in both but in 09 he used the body serve better. FH better in 04 agree.

Federer returning was not as great in 09 but still a high level from him though but it was still a high level of play from him to beat Roddick in that form.

 

[NoleFam]

The 2003-2004 courts were definitely a bit different from what followed. Looking at the Fed-Roddick 2003-2005 trilogy, the 2005 match featured much higher-bouncing play.

Yea something happened with the conditions around 2005 or 2006. Nav came out and said the courts were too slow in 2006. To me it was real slow and high bouncing in 2007. There were some faster years though after that like 2011-2013 and it was decent speed in 2014-2018 too. 2019 was awful. I hated the way the conditions were that year.

 

[RS]

I think he was definitely more consistent in 2009, but his weapons were much sharper in 04. Like that devastating serve+FH of his. Weapons are what he needs against Djokovic.

More firepower in 04 but skillset was worse. Fair enough though.

 

[Third Serve]

Yea something happened with the conditions around 2005 or 2006. Nav came out and said the courts were too slow in 2006. To me it was real slow and high bouncing in 2007. There were some faster years though after that like 2011-2013 and it was decent speed in 2014-2018 too. 2019 was awful. I hated the way the conditions were that year.

Agreed, the 2019 conditions were disgusting.

 

[NoleFam]

He wouldve won if it wasn’t for the damn rain. Could’ve changed the whole dynamic of the sport

I think it would have went 5 without the rain. I used to think he would win but not sure now. He could tend to get tight in big matches when he was close.

 

[NoleFam]

Roddick served well in both but in 09 he used the body serve better. FH better in 04 agree.

Federer returning was not as great in 09 but still a high level from him though but it was still a high level of play from him to beat Roddick in that form.

It wasn't a low level from Federer but by that time he had already set the bar for himself pretty high. So 2009 doesn't make the cut amongst his best years.

 

[TheNachoMan]

I think it would have went 5 without the rain. I used to think he would win but not sure now. He could tend to get tight in big matches when he was close.

That match was really the start of his muggery against Fed though. He never came close to beating Fed on the big stage again

 

[RS]

It wasn't a low level from Federer but by that time he had already set the bar for himself pretty high. So 2009 doesn't make the cut amongst his best years.

Fair enough putting it that way. Have not really ranked them and might not know how to o order it anyway.

 

[NoleFam]

That match was really the start of his muggery against Fed though. He never came close to beating Fed on the big stage again

Yea that was the beginning of his mental demons when facing Federer. He was totally outplaying Federer in that match for a set and half before the rain.

 

[RaulRamirez]

Taking nothing away from Novak - he's great everywhere, and may end up being the GOAT of Goats - but I've never been a fan of compartmentalizing stats, surfaces and tourneys, etc.
It works somewhat if you are trying to predict future success or to project hypotheticals, but in reality, different players take different paths, and they're all valid.

In the case of Rafa, he owes nobody any explanations for his distribution - and he happens to be great on grass and hard court as well. In reality, he has also historically gone all-in on clay, a surface that he not only excels at (understatement) but one that has been kinder to his body. And doing do has probably even hindered what he has achieved at Wim and USO, though that's part of the desl. Instead, he's had to settle for 6 slams and 10 finals at those two slams.

 

[RS]

Roddick hit that backhand, in 2009, better than ever before

His skillset was very impressive as well. Murray match is a great example.

 

[NatF]

I don't think 2009 Roddick would push 2015 Djokovic so hard. He'd do a bit better than 2015 Fed imo but it would still be wrapped up in four relatively tight sets. 2004 Roddick would do a lot more damage.

You all criminally underrate 2009 Fed. Don't see any winner of the last 10/11 years putting either of the 09 finalists way in less than five.

 

[Third Serve]

You all criminally underrate 2009 Fed. Don't see any winner of the last 10/11 years putting either of the 09 finalists way in less than five.

On the other hand, I think there's plenty of underrating of 2015 Wimb Djokovic here. One of his best finals performances.

 

[NatF]

On the other hand, I think there's plenty of underrating of 2015 Wimb Djokovic here. One of his best finals performances.

He couldn't seperate himself from 2015 Fed until the old man lost his legs.

 

[RS]

You all criminally underrate 2009 Fed. Don't see any winner of the last 10/11 years putting either of the 09 finalists way in less than five.

So you think 07/08 Nadal or/and 07/08 Fed in the finals could finish it before 5 sets ? You made the cutoff at 10 final i think.