Djokovic is the only to lead rivalries with anyone he played 10+ times

[tennis_pro]

The ranking is used by ATP to compile draws, I think that is a good indicator of form. It's not always right but it usually is.

And how do you judge that? Show me the stats that back this up.

 

[BH40love]

Rivalries against players met 10+ times:

DJOKOVIC
24 positive (100%)
0 draw
0 negative

SAMPRAS
20 positive (95.24%)
0 draw
1 negative (Krajicek)

FEDERER
37 positive (94.87%)
0 draw
2 negative (Djokovic, Nadal)

BORG
15 positive (93.75%)
1 draw (McEnroe)
0 negative

NADAL
24 positive (92.31%)
0 draw
2 negative (Djokovic, Davydenko)

LENDL
21 positive (91.30%)
1 draw (Clerc)
1 negative (Edberg)

MURRAY
16 positive (84.2%)
0 draw
3 negative (Djokovic, Federer, Nadal)

CONNORS
26 positive (83.87%)
1 draw (Edberg)
4 negative (Lendl, McEnroe, Nastase, Borg)

MCENROE
20 positive (83.33%)
2 draw (Borg, Vilas)
2 negative (Lendl, Becker)

BECKER
10 positive (76.92%)
0 draw
3 negative (Lendl, Sampras, Agassi)

AGASSI
10 positive (71.43%)
1 draw (Enqvist)
3 negative (Sampras, Courier, Federer)

WILANDER
10 positive (71.43%)
0 draw
4 negative (Lendl, McEnroe, Becker, Mecir)

EDBERG
14 positive (63.64%)
1 draw (Connors)
7 negative (Becker, Wilander, Ivanisevic, Stich, Sampras, McEnroe, Courier)

Cool stat dude....

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Kinda easy when you're the youngest among other ATGs who you play against and everyone younger is a part of the ultramug era.

Where are the new Beckers, Lendls, Agassis currently aged 20-28? Can't find them. Hard to have a negative h2h against players who suck and can't even make up for the 10 year age difference.

There are actual posters who actually try to "rationalize" these awesome stats against Novak.

I guess if he won 150 slams there'd be people saying that's not enough... Extreme bias can be quite fascinating.

 

[Lew II]

And how do you judge that? Show me the stats that back this up.

Check Big3's winning percentage against top5, top10, top20, top50... You'll see that it gets higher as the ranking of the opponent gets lower, meaning a high ranking reflects better form.

 

[Lew II]

Djokovic is the only to lead rivalries with anyone he played 10+ times

Not in Slasm though. Djokovic has played over 10 times against Nadal in Slams. Yet, Nadal leads the H2H over Djokovic 9-6 in Grand Slams (including 2-1 at the US Open).

"Including 2-1 at US Open" sounds ridicolous.

USO surface favors Djokovic just like AO and WI. The complete h2h in these slams is 5-3 Djokovic. 5-1 since Djokovic entered his prime.

 

[tennisaddict]

It is incredibly difficult to lead against this generation of stalwarts..Dmitrov, Nishikori, Raonic, Ferrer, Wawrinka, Thiem, Zverev..

 

[tennis_pro]

Check Big3's winning percentage against top5, top10, top20, top50... You'll see that it gets higher as the ranking of the opponent gets lower, meaning a high ranking reflects better form.

A high ranking does NOT reflect form. Take August 2008 for both Federer and Nadal right before Federer lost the no 1 ranking and see what you come up with.

 

[NoleFam]

Good work Lew. Where is Laver though?

 

[beard]

Kinda easy when you're the youngest among other ATGs who you play against and everyone younger is a part of the ultramug era.

Where are the new Beckers, Lendls, Agassis currently aged 20-28? Can't find them. Hard to have a negative h2h against players who suck and can't even make up for the 10 year age difference.

As ATGs grown on trees... Look at lets say last 30 years, count ATGs and say on average at what rate ATGs shows... There were/is 3 ATGs almost at same time... Few years gap is normal...

 

[Lew II]

Please notice Murray with more positive rivalries than Connors, McEnroe, Agassi, Becker, Edberg, Wilander.

 

[Lew II]

Good work Lew. Where is Laver though?

LAVER
16 positive (94.12%)
1 draw (Smith)
0 negative

ROSEWALL
12 positive (85.71%)
1 draw (Roche)
1 negative (Laver)

Open Era only.

 

[Lew II]

A high ranking does NOT reflect form. Take August 2008 for both Federer and Nadal right before Federer lost the no 1 ranking and see what you come up with.

Usually does, so it's more reliable, unbiased, objective than the eye test.

That's why ATP employs it.

 

[NoleFam]

LAVER
16 positive (94.12%)
1 draw (Smith)
0 negative

ROSEWALL
12 positive (85.71%)
1 draw (Roche)
1 negative (Laver)

Open Era only.

Awesome, thanks.

 

[tennis_pro]

Usually does, so it's more reliable, unbiased, objective than the eye test.

That's why ATP employs it.

Yeah? How do you judge when it does and when it doesn't?

I asked you the same question before. No dodging this time.

Bring me a stat that confirm this since you're so into confirming everything with a stat, baby.

 

[MeatTornado]

There are people who watch tennis and there are people who watch spreadsheets.

To each their own, I guess.

 

[Lew II]

Yeah? How do you judge when it does and when it doesn't?

I asked you the same question before. No dodging this time.

Bring me a stat that confirm this since you're so into confirming everything with a stat, baby.

Yawn, you wouldn't understand.

 

[tennis_pro]

Yawn, you wouldn't understand.

Enough of this backing up what you think with stats BS when it works in your favorite and avoiding an answer when it doesn't. Give me facts, data, stats, whatever. I'm waiting.

 

[marc45]

Rivalries against players met 10+ times:

DJOKOVIC
24 positive (100%)
0 draw
0 negative

SAMPRAS
20 positive (95.24%)
0 draw
1 negative (Krajicek)

FEDERER
37 positive (94.87%)
0 draw
2 negative (Djokovic, Nadal)

BORG
15 positive (93.75%)
1 draw (McEnroe)
0 negative

NADAL
24 positive (92.31%)
0 draw
2 negative (Djokovic, Davydenko)

LENDL
21 positive (91.30%)
1 draw (Clerc)
1 negative (Edberg)

MURRAY
16 positive (84.2%)
0 draw
3 negative (Djokovic, Federer, Nadal)

CONNORS
26 positive (83.87%)
1 draw (Edberg)
4 negative (Lendl, McEnroe, Nastase, Borg)

MCENROE
20 positive (83.33%)
2 draw (Borg, Vilas)
2 negative (Lendl, Becker)

BECKER
10 positive (76.92%)
0 draw
3 negative (Lendl, Sampras, Agassi)

AGASSI
10 positive (71.43%)
1 draw (Enqvist)
3 negative (Sampras, Courier, Federer)

WILANDER
10 positive (71.43%)
0 draw
4 negative (Lendl, McEnroe, Becker, Mecir)

EDBERG
14 positive (63.64%)
1 draw (Connors)
7 negative (Becker, Wilander, Ivanisevic, Stich, Sampras, McEnroe, Courier)

surprised to see Nastase for Connors...best buddies, maybe that affected Connors