Djokovic is the weakest three-time Wimbledon champion in the Open Era
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TheAssassin
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Why a sore thumb? He is a great grass court player, and obviously not the only guy who has had success on modern grass. Stunning serve and return combo, and more reliable at the net than he's given credit for. Apart from 2011 he was well challenged during his Wimbledon winning runs, by more than just one opponent actually, and he was a regular presence in the 2nd week throughout his whole career. Also it would be foolish to think that he wouldn't have built/been able to build a different game in some past era, which could have easily resulted in some titles again.
I don't think he is that much better on grass than he is on clay, not to such an extent that his Roland Garros and Wimbledon titles show at least. But there was a certain freak who was/is denying him and everyone else for a long time in Paris, like nobody has ever done at any Slam before, while Djokovic's Wimbledon titles were well and hard earned. Not much if anything to moan about any sort of cakewalk draws. A worthy Wimbledon great, and I hope he can be successful there one more time.
I don't think he is that much better on grass than he is on clay, not to such an extent that his Roland Garros and Wimbledon titles show at least. But there was a certain freak who was/is denying him and everyone else for a long time in Paris, like nobody has ever done at any Slam before, while Djokovic's Wimbledon titles were well and hard earned. Not much if anything to moan about any sort of cakewalk draws. A worthy Wimbledon great, and I hope he can be successful there one more time.
Enceladus
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It could also be argued that Becker would not succeed on today's grass, as long exchanges would make Boris tired and his service would not be as effective as in the 1980s and 1990s.
On pseudo grass Federer also won all of his eight Wimbledon titles. But you are silent about this fact.
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Djokovic won 2 Wimbledon finals against Federer who was coming from a 24 sets to 1 and a 27 sets to 1 streak 
Justagamefool
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The title of the thread itself is an oxymoron - weakest 3 time champion.
There might be a fluke one time winner (Bartoli, Krajicek), but no "weak" three time champs.
There might be a fluke one time winner (Bartoli, Krajicek), but no "weak" three time champs.
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Of course he was, and I don't even need Federer's words.
Owning the field in a 10 years more modern era than his supposed peak.
PATHETIC EXCUSES! Djokovic is a 4 time Wimbledon Champion, accept the Reality!
Enceladus
Legend
It was irony from @Djokodal Fan, guy.
Sport
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As long as you accept that his peak did not start in 2015 at age 34, fine. If you want, 2015 could be his last year at his peak. But no one starts his peak at age 34. Federer's peak started approximately in 2004 at age 22. No single sportsman starts his peak at age 34.
Michael Jordan: started his peak in 1986 at age 23.
LeBron James: started his peak in 2006 at age 21.
Kobe Bryant: started his peak in 2000 at age 22.
Cristiano Ronaldo: started his peak in 2008 at age 23.
Lionel Messi: started his peak in 2010 at age 23.
Novak Djokovic: started his peak approximately in 2011 at age 23.
Rafael Nadal: started his peak in all surfaces in 2008 at age 22.
A little physical decline starts at age 29-30. That's why 30 years old Usain Bolt performed significantly worse in the Olympics 2016 compared with the Olympics 2012 and Olympics 2008.
The greatest of all time (Jordan, James, Cristiano, Messi, Nadal, Djokovic, etc.) keep dominating their sport in their early 30s. So if you want to call "peak" the late 30s, fine. But no single sportstman in the history of humankind has ever started his peak at age 34. That's simply stupid.
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I told you Kipchoge set his personal and world record in the marathon at 34.
So he peaked at 34.
And marathon is not even based on technique as tennis.
You did not read scientific paper I gave you? You are not allowed to join the class until you read it. I will ask you few questions to check.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Which scientific paper? You dind't post anything. It is a well-stablished fact that humans start to physically decline in their 30s, specially in their mid-30s. That explains why Usain Bolt at age 30 performed significantly worse at the Olympics 2016 than at the Olympics 2012 or 2008.
What class? The pseudoscientific class? No thanks I don't want to join the class of Pseudoscience 101, according to which the physical peak is 34 years old.
Phoenix1983
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Let's hope not.
Instead let's hope that he runs off into retirement after a defeat by Zverev - much as Borg ran into retirement when Mac beat him in 1981
This one (see below). Tell me when you red it and I will check whether you understand anything. Over 70 students got their postgraduate degree with me.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3625029/
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Marathon men are quite fast too, sure faster than tennis players.
Anyway I find one sportsman who objectively peaked at 34, you were wrong.
Enceladus
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Zverev already defeated Djoker in the three GS finals? That I do not know about itLet's hope not.
Instead let's hope that he runs off into retirement after a defeat by Zverev - much as Borg ran into retirement when Mac beat him in 1981
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Those are marathon runners. It doesn't refute the physical decline in the 30s, since marathon is more based on resistence than velocity. As everyone knows, Usain Bolt declined in speed in his 30s.
Also, there are plenty of scientific studies which indicate that the quality of men's semen decreases earlier than at age 35, so of course there is a physical decline before the 35 years of age.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12571189
merlinpinpin
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Djokovic won 2 Wimbledon finals against Federer who was coming from a 24 sets to 1 and a 27 sets to 1 streak
Federer who? The guy you're spouting dozen of new threads every week to explain that he's the worst slam winner of the Open Era? And Djokovic should be proud that he's beaten this nobody, not once, but twice in a slam final? Seriously? Do you even read your own posts? Cause it's pretty bad when the right side of your brain can't agree with the left.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Not in tennis, football or basquetball which require a different set of physical skills, including velocity. Please tell me of one tennis/football/basketball player who peaked at age 34.
And explain why Bolt performed so bad at the Olympics 2016 in comparison with 2012 and 2008, and why did he start his physical decline in his early 30s, if supposedly at that age you can't start your physically decline.
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Phoenix1983
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Zverev already defeated Djoker in the three GS finals? That I do not know about it
He might’ve done by next year’s Wimbledon.
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Football and tennis peak can't be proven as in athletics.
Enceladus
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But he will first have to advanced to the SF of GS tournament, through Bo5 matches. Big Mac with Bo5 matches didn't have problems.
Phoenix1983
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It’s a fair point. Zverev to date has had issues with Bo5 matches, where true champions are made. I believe however that Lendl will instill the right mentality in Zverev to succeed in the majors.
Druss
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In actual fact, Bolt already started to decline in speed by his late 28s. Not by much, but noticeable.
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LOL no one wrote that. You went from "peaking at 34 in a sport is not possible" to "you can phisically decline in your 30s".
Two totally different things.
Anyway you should take into account athletes losing motivation and having less training.
uscwang
Hall of Fame
Don't you think that Novak is the weakest 3-time US Open winner? Come on, you can.
vex
Legend
Marathon runners man... that's a well established exception to the rule.
Everyone knows fast twitch muscles decline around 30. Distance runners do not use fast twitch muscles.
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titoelcolombiano
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Harsh! Djoker is one of the greatest to ever pick up a racket and is an amazing grass player.
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
No, that would be Nadal.
djokovic2008
Hall of Fame
I go along with most of what you have said but even in this era grass is still a very hard surface to dominate on. On any given day a player can serve out of his mind and win, look at Tsonga vs fed or Rosol vs Nadal. For Djokovic to be so consistent on grass is fantastic not forgetting his record at eastbourne and queens.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
Just have to look at the competition.
Of course if we compare Novak to Becker-Sampras-Borg-McEnroe he looks weak.
Becker as stated above lost Finals he shouldn't have.
The Federer name goes far but when you consider 2010-2011 and 2014-15 doesn't fet you a very strong opponent for Novak.
Nadal is also a pretty bad grass player in all-time ranking.
Now here's a fun thought. On 90s grass Roddick probably beats Federer.
Of course if we compare Novak to Becker-Sampras-Borg-McEnroe he looks weak.
Becker as stated above lost Finals he shouldn't have.
The Federer name goes far but when you consider 2010-2011 and 2014-15 doesn't fet you a very strong opponent for Novak.
Nadal is also a pretty bad grass player in all-time ranking.
Now here's a fun thought. On 90s grass Roddick probably beats Federer.
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
Jesus ****ing christ the roddick brainwashing revisionism on here is greater than even i thought. May the gods have mercy on our souls!
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