Federer is now the most successful HC player in the Open era

[peRFection]

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Federer is now the most successful HC player in the Open era

1. Roger Federer 47
2. Andre Agassi 46
3. Jimmy Connors 44
4. Pete Sampras 36
5. Ivan Lendl 31
6. Stefan Edberg 23
7. John McEnroe 22
8. Michael Chang 21
9. Novak Djokovic 20

He's also the most successful grass player in the Open era with 11 titles.

By the way, Nadal has only 11 HC and 3 Grass. shocking hah.

Good day people.
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[RF20Lennon]

Federer is now the most successful HC player in the Open era

1. Roger Federer 47
2. Andre Agassi 46
3. Jimmy Connors 44
4. Pete Sampras 36
5. Ivan Lendl 31
6. Stefan Edberg 23
7. John McEnroe 22
8. Michael Chang 21
9. Novak Djokovic 20

He's also the most successful grass player in the Open era with 11 titles.

TRUE DAT!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[SirGounder]

Pretty darn crazy numbers. A true testament to his consistency.

 

[TopFH]

So he's the Open Era GOAT for two surfaces now. At least, in terms of results.

 

[DjokovicForTheWin]

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Federer is now the most successful HC player in the Open era

1. Roger Federer 47
2. Andre Agassi 46
3. Jimmy Connors 44
4. Pete Sampras 36
5. Ivan Lendl 31
6. Stefan Edberg 23
7. John McEnroe 22
8. Michael Chang 21
9. Novak Djokovic 20

He's also the most successful grass player in the Open era with 11 titles.

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Wow Djoker is already ahead of Nadal? And he's younger too!

 

[Towser83]

So he's the Open Era GOAT for two surfaces now. At least, in terms of results.

Well on grass you could say Sampras still is, not overall titles but more Wimbledons - but I'm not sure Pete was better anyway, pretty even in my opinion, and with grass becoming slower, hard to make a choice.

But yeah in titles, he is.

 

[Mustard]

Wow Djoker is already ahead of Nadal? And he's younger too!

Nadal has 11 hardcourt titles, 3 grass-court titles, and 32 clay-court titles.

 

[DjokovicForTheWin]

Nadal has 11 hardcourt titles, 3 grass-court titles, and 32 clay-court titles.

Oh my goodness. I had no idea Djoker was 9 HC titles ahead already.

 

[Towser83]

Wow Djoker is already ahead of Nadal? And he's younger too!

That's a nice bit of gloating. Seriously, we all know Djokovic is a better hardcourt player and has been for years, so what's the point in pointing out the obvious?

 

[Mustard]

Oh my goodness. I had no idea Djoker was 9 HC titles ahead already.

Djokovic also has a mere 7 clay-court titles and zero French Opens :twisted:

 

[DjokovicForTheWin]

Djokovic also has a mere 7 clay-court titles and zero French Opens :twisted:

Please stay on topic. This thread is about HC.

 

[DjokovicForTheWin]

That's a nice bit of gloating. Seriously, we all know Djokovic is a better hardcourt player and has been for years, so what's the point in pointing out the obvious?

I just didn't realize Djoker was that far ahead of Nadal given all the touting Nadal's HC skills get on here.

 

[peRFection]

Roger is the GOAT. End of story

 

[Biscuitmcgriddleson]

Wow Djoker is already ahead of Nadal? And he's younger too!

DjokovicForTheWin,

I must ask you to stop trolling. We both know Nadal hasn't entered his HC prime yet :wink:

 

[aphex]

The Lendl number is surprisingly low...

 

[joeri888]

So basically, we have the GOAT on HC and the GOAT of grass (arguably) in the same era as the GOAT of clay.

 

[powerangle]

I just didn't realize Djoker was that far ahead of Nadal given all the touting Nadal's HC skills get on here.

There was a time when people were saying that Djokovic was the better hard court player...but it was more difficult to claim such a thing...as Nadal had more hard court slams (2 at that point, with AO 09 and USO 10) while Djokovic only had one hard court slam (AO 08 ).

But now...finally Djokovic has the resume to back up his hard court ability (3 hard court slams to Nadal's 2), plus numerous more hard court titles in total than Nadal.

 

[Strobe Lights]

The Lendl number is surprisingly low...

Did they not play less often on hard and more often on indoor carpet in those days?

Lendl has 33 carpet, 31 hard, 28 clay and 2 grass titles.

 

[urban]

Problem with these stats is the questionable status of hard court vs. indoor tournaments. I don't know precisely, how the ATP is ranking Paris at the moment, as indoor hard court or what. Lendl probably won many tournaments on indoor courts, which were not carpet, but plastic courts, which were more or less similar to hard courts. I do believe, that indoor is very different to outdoor hard court, because the sun, the wind and other elements play a role there.

 

[tenniselbow1]

This is nothing new... One of 100 ways to point out how uni-dimensional Nadal is compared to other all time greats. Any stat after this that points out Nadal is ahead in anything outside clay is bogus and due to those inflated clay stats, including H2H numbers and win percentages. His clay stats are going to drop drastically by the way on all counts from now, with a healthy top 4, he could go without a title next year on his beloved surface.

 

[tenniselbow1]

Problem with these stats is the questionable status of hard court vs. indoor tournaments. I don't know precisely, how the ATP is ranking Paris at the moment, as indoor hard court or what. Lendl probably won many tournaments on indoor courts, which were not carpet, but plastic courts, which were more or less similar to hard courts. I do believe, that indoor is very different to outdoor hard court, because the sun, the wind and other elements play a role there.

Lol how many indoor courts have you personally played on troll? LOL. Please go play on a few. Trust me indoor courts are hard courts, if anything the more difficult courts to play on, as they play faster on average and require quicker reflexes , faster court positioning, and a higher overall skill from the top players. Roger is the Open era leader (or tied for it) at the AO, USO and the WTF (the three premier hard court tournaments at the moment) , so not much to debate there as well.

 

[Mainad]

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Federer is now the most successful HC player in the Open era

1. Roger Federer 47
2. Andre Agassi 46
3. Jimmy Connors 44
4. Pete Sampras 36
5. Ivan Lendl 31
6. Stefan Edberg 23
7. John McEnroe 22
8. Michael Chang 21
9. Novak Djokovic 20

He's also the most successful grass player in the Open era with 11 titles.

By the way, Nadal has only 11 HC and 3 Grass. shocking hah.

Good day people.
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Andy Roddick is joint 9th with Djokovic on 20.

 

[urban]

Indoor courts are hard courts. Say it to Lendl. Some people here are so dumb, it really hurts.

 

[peRFection]

Legendary record........

 

[glazkovss]

It's the result of many indoor tournaments switching from carpet to hard. Until the beginning of the 21st century most of indoor tournaments were played on carpet, and those titles I guess are not counted as titles on hardcourts.
Would like to see the same numbers including titles on indoor carpet.

 

[namelessone]

This is nothing new... One of 100 ways to point out how uni-dimensional Nadal is compared to other all time greats. Any stat after this that points out Nadal is ahead in anything outside clay is bogus and due to those inflated clay stats, including H2H numbers and win percentages. His clay stats are going to drop drastically by the way on all counts from now, with a healthy top 4, he could go without a title next year on his beloved surface.

Yeah man, that Sampras, he only won on HC and grass, and grass is barely represented as a surface. What a unidimensional clown.

 

[namelessone]

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Federer is now the most successful HC player in the Open era

1. Roger Federer 47
2. Andre Agassi 46
3. Jimmy Connors 44
4. Pete Sampras 36
5. Ivan Lendl 31
6. Stefan Edberg 23
7. John McEnroe 22
8. Michael Chang 21
9. Novak Djokovic 20

He's also the most successful grass player in the Open era with 11 titles.

By the way, Nadal has only 11 HC and 3 Grass. shocking hah.

Good day people.
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How many clay titles does Fed have?

 

[aphex]

How many clay titles does Fed have?

9.............

 

[urban]

If someone will have a serious discussion, the problem lies in the definition of hard courts and indoor courts. Until very recently only outdoor hard courts were rated as hard courts, while all indoor events were separately rated as carpet or indoor events. But before 2000 or later on, many indoor events were played on surfaces that were certainly not carpet. Lendl won indoor tournaments on artifical grass, Laycold, Supreme court and other plastic courts, that were not carpet, but in the ATP stats they are rated as carpet. The problem extends to the very same event. While Sampras' wins at Paris Bercy are rated as carpet wins, Federer's win this week is evidently rated as a hard court win. I for my part cannot see much of a difference between the conditions at Paris Bercy, Sampras had and Federer has. At Paris or London, it is certainly not a permanent hard court, which has been for a long time one of the criteria for outdoor hard courts. Its a sort of plastic surface, which is for a week or so laid over the underground of the arena. And all those kinds of surfaces were rated as carpet or indoor courts a short time ago. That is a systemic problem of stats and has nothing to do with the quality of certain players.

 

[JSummers]

Wait, according to wiki, Jimbo had:
148 titles including 109 listed by the ATP Players' Guide. Why so few on hard court?

 

[timnz]

Remember

The Lendl number is surprisingly low...

Remember the Australian Open didn't go to hard court until Lendl was nearly 28.

The other thing to remember that indoor carpet was a very common surface in the 1980's and Lendl had many many titles on that. They have all been replaced with indoor hard.

 

[timnz]

Actually indoor carpet isn't listed as hard back in the 1980's and 1990's - fact

Indoor courts are hard courts. Say it to Lendl. Some people here are so dumb, it really hurts.

They are now because they have actually changed to surface to hard court. However, pre-approx 2000 they were a different surface ie carpet. Statistically indoor carpet are listed seperately. It's just that indoor carpet these days doesn't exist.

But if you really want to include indoor carpet as a hard court then that moves Lendl's title total on 'hard' to 64 titles. So he is way ahead of Federer.

You would also need to add 44 Carpet titles to Connors total above.

Summary: Indoor Hard is not the same surface as Indoor Carpet.

 

[IvanisevicServe]

To be fair, a lot of smaller titles factor in.

 

[15_ounce]

 

[celoft]

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[urban]

Can anyone say, since when Paris Bercy is rated as hard court event. And does anyone know, how and when they precisely changed the surface. Was it before that date only a thin carpet, and has it been since then a say 50 centimeter deep layer of cement or Deco Turf hardcourt?