Djokovic-Nadal in 4 straight Slam finals

[kevaninho]

The thread is about AO 2011 to RG 2012. In that period Djokovic did not own Nadal on clay. And in AO 2011 to AO 2012 he did not own Federer on clay either.

I guess people want to talk about those 2 wins in 2011 on clay, that they forget to mention that they met 3 times on clay in 2012, with Djokovic only winning 1 set overall.

Cherry picking at its finest on here.

Actually over 2012/13 Nadal went 6-1 over Djokovic on all surfaces, with it almost being more as that AO 12 was close.

Nadal doesn't get the credit deserved for bouncing back in 2012 after the losses to Djokovic the year before.

 

[weakera]

You could see how much RG 2012 meant to Rafa when he immediately went to his box to celebrate it.

 

[duaneeo]

How people can at this point legitimately argue Fedal over Novadal is beyond me.

Legendary French Open match.
Legendary Wimbledon match.
Legendary Australian match.

Nadalovic has had one legendary slam final...2012 Australian Open. All of their other slam final meetings were letdowns. Fedal has had two legendary Wimbledon finals (an argument can be made for three), two legendary Australian Open finals, and their 2006 Rome final is the only legendary BO5 clay final Nadal has played against either Federer or Djokovic.

 

[Lew II]

Got to love nonsense like this. Nadal was 9-0 V Djokovic on clay up till 2011 and then Djokovic wins 2 matches and suddenly hes a match for Nadal on clay LOL

No one mentions that Nadal won the next 3 on clay, or 4 out of the next 5. Its always that Djokovic somehow had Nadals number on clay, which outwith 2 wins in 2011, he dpne nothing v Nadal on clay.

2015-16 Nadal was in his worst form ever seen, and this is also seemingly adding to this myth that Djokovic can compete on clay with Nadal, all cos of THAT RG win LOL

17-6 clay H2H I believe it is in Nadals favour. That's nearly 2/3 of clay matches Nadal has won.

Of course Nadal on clay is much better than Djokovic.

I'm just stating that in his peak years 2011-16 he troubled Nadal a lot, leading the h2h over him.

 

[Lew II]

Nadalovic has had one legendary slam final...2012 Australian Open. All of their other slam final meetings were letdowns. Fedal has had two legendary Wimbledon finals (an argument can be made for three), two legendary Australian Open finals, and their 2006 Rome final is the only legendary BO5 clay final Nadal has played against either Federer or Djokovic.

So 2006 Rome is more important than 14 of Nadalovic Slam meetings just because they weren't 5 set finals? LOL

 

[Lew II]

Big Events they didn't meet in:

Djokovic-Murray 0
Djokovic-Nadal 1 (Shanghai)
Djokovic-Federer 2 (Olympics, Madrid)
Nadal-Murray 3 (Olympics, Cincinnati, Paris)
Nadal-Federer 4 (Us Open, Olympics, Canada, Paris)
Federer-Murray 6 (Roland Garros, Miami, MonteCarlo, Madrid, Rome, Paris)

 

[Fiero425]

Nadalovic has had one legendary slam final...2012 Australian Open. All of their other slam final meetings were letdowns. Fedal has had two legendary Wimbledon finals (an argument can be made for three), two legendary Australian Open finals, and their 2006 Rome final is the only legendary BO5 clay final Nadal has played against either Federer or Djokovic.

Regardless, no one's taking in consideration the age gap which makes a difference when it comes to "opportunities!" Roger obviously has multiple years and occasions on Nole to set a standard, make history, and extend his record! Again Djokovic has YEARS to make up for any shortcoming that can be thought up while he has surpassed Fedal in so many other ways already even with his youth and lack of experience in comparison!

 

[MichaelNadal]

But Nadal destroyed Djokovic 6-1, 6-3 in Montecarlo 2012 and convincingly defeated him in the RG 2012 final in 4 sets. So not "domination" on clay in the 2011-2012 period.

With long hair too

 

[NoleFam]

I guess people want to talk about those 2 wins in 2011 on clay, that they forget to mention that they met 3 times on clay in 2012, with Djokovic only winning 1 set overall.

Cherry picking at its finest on here.

Actually over 2012/13 Nadal went 6-1 over Djokovic on all surfaces, with it almost being more as that AO 12 was close.

Nadal doesn't get the credit deserved for bouncing back in 2012 after the losses to Djokovic the year before.

 

[duaneeo]

I know, everything Federer does is better.

We're not talking about a player, but about a rivalry. Fedal's six consecutive years as the top-two players (21 of 24 slams won) is more impressive than Nadalovic's 4 consecutive slam finals (which only had one good match).

 

[Fiero425]

Got to love nonsense like this. Nadal was 9-0 V Djokovic on clay up till 2011 and then Djokovic wins 2 matches and suddenly hes a match for Nadal on clay LOL

No one mentions that Nadal won the next 3 on clay, or 4 out of the next 5. Its always that Djokovic somehow had Nadals number on clay, which outwith 2 wins in 2011, he dpne nothing v Nadal on clay.

2015-16 Nadal was in his worst form ever seen, and this is also seemingly adding to this myth that Djokovic can compete on clay with Nadal, all cos of THAT RG win LOL

17-6 clay H2H I believe it is in Nadals favour. That's nearly 2/3 of clay matches Nadal has won.

Frame it anyway you like, it still comes down to Nole taking over their rivalry in just about every way possible! He's the only player to have 2 winning streaks of 7 matches over all the surfaces against Nadal! Where's that listed in Rafa's resume posted here? If holding onto Nadal's record in Paris as the "holy mount" and center of the universe, so be it! Sooner or later you'll have to "let it go!" No doubt Nole has more years to go while Roger's on the way out with Rafa soon to follow!

 

[Lew II]

We're not talking about a player, but about a rivalry. Fedal's six consecutive years as the top-two players (21 of 24 slams won) is more impressive than Nadalovic's 4 consecutive slam finals (which only had one good match).

But Federer is in the rivalry you are promoting.

"Only had one good match" LOL All their slam finals were high quality.

 

[kevaninho]

Frame it anyway you like, it still comes down to Nole taking over their rivalry in just about every way possible! He's the only player to have 2 winning streaks of 7 matches over all the surfaces against Nadal! Where's that listed in Rafa's resume posted here? If holding onto Nadal's record in Paris as the "holy mount" and center of the universe, so be it! Sooner or later you'll have to "let it go!" No doubt Nole has more years to go while Roger's on the way out with Rafa soon to follow!

What happened after that first 7 in a row Djokovic had over Nadal ? Yep Nadal went 6-1 in their next 7 LOL
Dress it up how you like, but 28-26 is no domination of a H2H.
All Nadals early wins over Novak count just as much as 2015-16, when Nadal lost to everyone .

 

[MichaelNadal]

I guess people want to talk about those 2 wins in 2011 on clay, that they forget to mention that they met 3 times on clay in 2012, with Djokovic only winning 1 set overall.

Cherry picking at its finest on here.

Actually over 2012/13 Nadal went 6-1 over Djokovic on all surfaces, with it almost being more as that AO 12 was close.

Nadal doesn't get the credit deserved for bouncing back in 2012 after the losses to Djokovic the year before.

Slay

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Nadalovic has had one legendary slam final...2012 Australian Open. All of their other slam final meetings were letdowns. Fedal has had two legendary Wimbledon finals (an argument can be made for three), two legendary Australian Open finals, and their 2006 Rome final is the only legendary BO5 clay final Nadal has played against either Federer or Djokovic.

If you think there is an argument to be made for their 2006 Wimbledon final being legendary, then majority of Djokodal finals have that case too.

 

[Lew II]

What happened after that first 7 in a row Djokovic had over Nadal ? Yep Nadal went 6-1 in their next 7 LOL
Dress it up how you like, but 28-26 is no domination of a H2H.
All Nadals early wins over Novak count just as much as 2015-16, when Nadal lost to everyone .

2011-14 (until RG) and 2018‐19 (since 2018 clay season) are the periods they were both peak IMO, when they were constantly the top-2 in the world:

Nadal 88% of wins
Djokovic 87.6% of wins

Their h2h in these periods have Djokovic leading 14-9 with almost half of the matches (11/23) being played on clay. Outside clay Djokovic leads 10-2.

 

[duaneeo]

"Only had one good match" LOL All their slam finals were high quality.

2011 Wimbledon, 2011 USO, and 2012 Roland Garros (which ended with a double-fault on championship point) were high quality?? Okay.

 

[duaneeo]

If you think there is an argument to be made for their 2006 Wimbledon final being legendary, then majority of Djokodal finals have that case too.

Being the only Spanish player of the open era to make a Wimbledon final, Rafa was clearly jittery in the first set, but then played a very competitive match...being the only player to win a set off Federer. The match was also legendary in that it was the first of three consecutive Roland Garros/Wimbledon finals by Fedal...something no other rivalry in tennis history has done.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Being the only Spanish player of the open era to make a Wimbledon final, Rafa was clearly jittery in the first set, but then played a very competitive match...being the only player to win a set off Federer. The match was also legendary in that it was the first of three consecutive Roland Garros/Wimbledon finals by Fedal...something no other rivalry in tennis history has done.

Sure. It became part of a trilogy after the next two finals. But I was referring to the matches on their own. Majority of Djokodal finals were at least as competitive as 2006 Wimbledon final. I'd say Fed was more competitive in all those RG finals with Nadal too, except 2008 obviously.

 

[kevaninho]

2011-14 (until RG) and 2018‐19 (since 2018 clay season) are the periods they were both peak IMO, when they were constantly the top-2 in the world:

Nadal 88% of wins
Djokovic 87.6% of wins

Their h2h in these periods have Djokovic leading 14-9 with almost half of the matches (11/23) being played on clay. Outside clay Djokovic leads 10-2.

Listen. Peak play is an opinion. The fact of the matter is, a H2H matters over a whole career, not just when Djokovic was the best player in the world

 

[Lew II]

Listen. Peak play is an opinion. The fact of the matter is, a H2H matters over a whole career, not just when Djokovic was the best player in the world

But Nadal had a higher winning percentage than Djokovic in the selected periods.

Nadal had a longer prime, that's why he's close in the overall h2h, but peak to peak Djokovic is way ahead.

 

[kevaninho]

But Nadal had a higher winning percentage than Djokovic in the selected periods.

Nadal had a longer prime, that's why he's close in the overall h2h, but peak to peak Djokovic is way ahead.

Well a lot of people would say Nadal was leaving his peak in 2011 just when Djokovic was beginning his.

 

[Lew II]

Well a lot of people would say Nadal was leaving his peak in 2011 just when Djokovic was beginning his.

Based on what?

 

[terribleIVAN]

Nadal lost the W and USO finals strictly because poor shot selection. He was by far the better athlete and certainly equal in touch and talent. Yet at the end of these matches, Novak was toying with him: it's because Rafa had spent his energy running to the four corners of the court like a headless chicken without any regard for strategy.

He just didn't dare trying new things and his fear was ugly to watch.

 

[Bender]

Fedal overraaaaaaaaaaate

You have Fedal confused for Jack Sock

 

[NoleFam]

Nadal lost the W and USO finals strictly because poor shot selection. He was by far the better athlete and certainly equal in touch and talent. Yet at the end of these matches, Novak was toying with him: it's because Rafa had spent his energy running to the four corners of the court like a headless chicken without any regard for strategy.

He just didn't dare trying new things and his fear was ugly to watch.

I would say that 2011 was the first time Djokovic and Nadal were about equal in athleticism and fitness because before that, Nadal would just wear him down like he did to about 90% of the tour.

 

[Sabrina]

I would say that 2011 was the first time Djokovic and Nadal were about equal in athleticism and fitness because before that, Nadal would just wear him down like he did to about 90% of the tour.

What hurt Rafa the most in 2011 was that he realized that now Nole can outlast him.

 

[kevaninho]

What hurt Rafa the most in 2011 was that he realized that now Nole can outlast him.

Oh yeh. All of a sudden he became the energizer bunny.

 

[kevaninho]

Based on what?

Well for simplicity sakes, his best performances on clay were pre 2011. Same with grass.
2010 was his best ever season and by 2011 his level was slightly down IMO.
This is what I mean by he was leaving his prime. It doesn't mean he still wasn't one of the best players in the world.
But its inaccurate to say Nadal was playing his best tennis at the same time as Djokovic in that 2011-14 period.

 

[terribleIVAN]

I would say that 2011 was the first time Djokovic and Nadal were about equal in athleticism and fitness because before that, Nadal would just wear him down like he did to about 90% of the tour.

Novak made huge progress in the physical department, but he will never be the physical specimen that's Nadal.

If Nadal's shot selection equaled his fitness, he would have 8 grand schlems by now.

 

[Lew II]

Well for simplicity sakes, his best performances on clay were pre 2011. Same with grass.
2010 was his best ever season and by 2011 his level was slightly down IMO.
This is what I mean by he was leaving his prime. It doesn't mean he still wasn't one of the best players in the world.
But its inaccurate to say Nadal was playing his best tennis at the same time as Djokovic in that 2011-14 period.

LOL after 2010 he had most of his highest winning percentages in a season:

1) 2018 - 91.84
2) 2013 - 91.46
3) 2005 - 88.76
4) 2019 - 88.68
5) 2008 - 88.17
6) 2010 - 87.65
7) 2012 - 87.50
8) 2017 - 85.90

 

[NoleFam]

Novak made huge progress in the physical department, but he will never be the physical specimen that's Nadal.

If Nadal's shot selection equaled his fitness, he would have 8 grand schlems by now.

I would concur with that first paragraph but he was enough physically to handle Nadal had even wear him down at times, something no one else was able to do.

 

[topher]

LOL after 2010 he had most of his highest winning percentages in a season:

1) 2018 - 91.84
2) 2013 - 91.46
3) 2005 - 88.76
4) 2019 - 88.68
5) 2008 - 88.17
6) 2010 - 87.65
7) 2012 - 87.50
8) 2017 - 85.90

This is where you need to take a deep breath and step away from the stats . If % is all that matters, Rafa's 2005 level is > 2008 and 2010 C'mon now. There's such a thing as actually watching the player play and see his level.

In 2017-2019, his competition has been inferior - that's the explanation for his win% rise, not that he's peaking in 2018 smh. Rafa's peak ended 2013 imo. He's been losing footspeed since 2009 knee injury (and his BH has suffered as well), he's made up with it with adjustements/improvements to his game. 2014 and on, however, the physical losses have outpaced his tactical improvements.

Novak isn't peak in 2018/2019 either imo, I haven't seen a consistent peak from Novak since 2016.

 

[Tennisfan339]

You're right. They played 4 times in a row in GS finals. Would have been even more incredible if Djokovic won the FO2012 final.

Even better IMO is the Djokovic-Federer rivalry in US Open. They played against each other 5 years in a row. 2007 in final and then 4 years in a row in SF. (again in 2015)... Which is better than Federer-Nadal in RG.