Djokovic took Roddicks comment so seriously! Shocking!

[NamRanger]

You might have a point. I still think that Roddick instigated this feud this time. Djokovic does not criticize other players actions like what Roddick was doing. Making fun of a players serving routine and criticizing them are 2 different things. Roddick stepped over the line and thus Roddick is in the wrong this time.

So Roddick stepped over the line for calling Djokovic out on his gamesmanship? Hrm, ok. I guess he's such a bad person. I mean, that would be like me calling you out for cheating in the stock market, and then in turn you suing me for doing so. Kinda dumb eh?

 

[shavenyak]

You might have a point. I still think that Roddick instigated this feud this time. Djokovic does not criticize other players actions like what Roddick was doing. Making fun of a players serving routine and criticizing them are 2 different things. Roddick stepped over the line and thus Roddick is in the wrong this time. The Rodtards at the match were classless as well all throughout the match. Cheering on faults and etc.

If they wern't true, he wouldn't care. Obviously Roddick struck a chord.

 

[Nadal_Freak]

So Roddick stepped over the line for calling Djokovic out on his gamesmanship? Hrm, ok. I guess he's such a bad person. I mean, that would be like me calling you out for cheating in the stock market, and then in turn you suing me for doing so. Kinda dumb eh?

What gamemanship? Djokovic was definitely hurting in the previous match. He had 52 hours to recover though. No cheating from what I saw. Maybe bending the rules but that is the umpire to decide what is cheating and what isn't. No proof of cheating. The Roddick attacks were unprovoked unless he is the one that couldn't take a joke. Federer is the one with problems with Djokovic. Not Nadal. Federer is a little bit of a hothead himself.

 

[Emimem]

What gamemanship? Djokovic was definitely hurting in the previous match. He had 52 hours to recover though. No cheating from what I saw. Maybe bending the rules but that is the umpire to decide what is cheating and what isn't. No proof of cheating. The Roddick attacks were unprovoked unless he is the one that couldn't take a joke. Federer is the one with problems with Djokovic. Not Nadal. Federer is a little bit of a hothead himself.

Fed-Joker match will be sweet.

 

[CAM178]

You might have a point. I still think that Roddick instigated this feud this time. Djokovic does not criticize other players actions like what Roddick was doing. Making fun of a players serving routine and criticizing them are 2 different things. Roddick stepped over the line and thus Roddick is in the wrong this time. The Rodtards at the match were classless as well all throughout the match. Cheering on faults and etc.

Roddick did instigate it this time, for sure. But things like that happen when something has been ongoing for some time. Novak has been making fun of Roddick for some time, and Roddick has been fairly quiet about it. But if I had to take a wild stab at it, I would say that what Andy said was really just a reflection of what is being said in the locker room.

I agree as to it being classless when people cheer at faults, out balls, etc. I've never understood that. I know for me, that if a player ever wants to really awaken me on the court, all he has to do is cheer if I miss, or if I hit a double fault. Nothin bothers me like hearing 'YES! Come on!' after I miss.

 

[leonidas1982]

So Roddick stepped over the line for calling Djokovic out on his gamesmanship? Hrm, ok. I guess he's such a bad person. I mean, that would be like me calling you out for cheating in the stock market, and then in turn you suing me for doing so. Kinda dumb eh?

You can talk about his gamesmanship, but questioning one's courage and integrity without cause is out of bounds.

 

[CAM178]

You can talk about his gamesmanship, but questioning one's courage and integrity without cause is out of bounds.

What courage and integrity? Are you talking about Novak, or Andy?

 

[Love Game]

good. someone who was there.
did you hear the "tunnel" interviews w/M.Barcan?

Including the first one. With A Roddick?
Where Rodd mentioned his opponent's "16 injuries"?

No I was eating a burger and drinking beer at this time.

So ear canals too close to the teeth and throat.
I'm jiggy widdit!

Did you hear any of the Barcan tunnel interview?
Or was the entire thing drowned out?

 

[dennis10is]

get over yourself, OP. Seriously, he's a good guy. He has a lot of emotions going on, and he wanted to defend himself and not have people thinking or saying the wrong things about him. I know how it is. I've been upset before when people think things about me that aren't true. It's natural to stick up for yourself.

He did a tremendous job, tonight, and he deserves to be recognized for it. Obviously, it stuck that he heard Andy say this about him, and he wanted to clear the air. The way it came across, was uncomfortable and probably not necessary, but Novak's human. He was just trying to get the respect he deserves from Andy, who he just BEAT!

You do seem to identify with him. Comparing your own struggles with his. Talking about him getting the respect from other people.

BTW, he's back tracking today, must have been told to make nice. I guess all of his oponents were mistaken when they believe that he has been faking his injuries. I must believe that you someone more better information than the pros who sees him in the locker room, the training room, the practice courts, and they somehow believed that he's faking it.

I'm glad I don't live in Serbia, otherwise his father would storm over to my house and tell me that I'm not pro-Serbia, hence not pro-Joker enough.

 

[LES]

So ear canals too close to the teeth and throat.
I'm jiggy widdit!

Did you hear any of the Barcan tunnel interview?
Or was the entire thing drowned out?

I was outside the stadium until it started. I missed the first few points while getting to my seat

 

[Love Game]

I'm glad I don't live in Serbia, otherwise his father would storm over to my house and tell me that I'm not pro-Serbia, hence not pro-Joker enough.

You can also be glad you didn't get your house, your church, your school, your roads, your bridges, your businesses carpet bombed for 80 straight days by Pres. Clinton and Gen.Wesley Clark and Vladimir Putin a few years ago!

 

[dennis10is]

Djoker was offered a question and that was the first thing on his mind. Sorry. He knew also that the crowd was against him anyways. He'd like to thank his fans. It was more of the announcers fault to say something and continue with that sort of question.

Wow! Blaming the announcer now? The announcer tried but Joker kept at it. I guess you can blame the announcer for being incompetent and failing to keep Joker from making a fool of himself.

 

[dennis10is]

That means his an impulsive youngster that needs to hone his PR skills...to be like Fed and Nads...doesn't make him an A-hole...

You appear to be young because you say things like he's only 21.

FYI, when I was 21, I wouldn't have accepted that from anyone who is also 21. One thing you will realize is that people's nature don't change much as they grow older. They may or may not learn to hide their true nature.

Roddick is a frat boy with a sarcastic sense of humor, typically not mean but he does bully the younger players. Joker has a victimization complex, he makes fun of others but will complain when the tables is turned. He uses his perception of being a victim to motivate himself. I wouldn't have either one over for dinner because I don't find tennis pros particularly interesting aside from the fact they play great tennis.

As a psychologist I can say this with certainty. People lie all the time. Furthermore, people lie to themselves all the time.

 

[dennis10is]

You can also be glad you didn't get your house, your church, your school, your roads, your bridges, your businesses carpet bombed for 80 straight days by Pres. Clinton and Gen.Wesley Clark and Vladimir Putin a few years ago!

But for the first 8 years of my life I did get shelled at by the VC, my parents almost died from an artillery shell and of course my country lost the war, and I'm a refugee.

 

[verbatim100]

It's nothing new among tennis fans that he fakes injuries during the match. Well, this time Djoker must have got very upset that his tactics have now come under a public scrutiny and been used as a butt of ridicule.

 

[dennis10is]

Reading his interview, I've got a distinct impression that Djoker has a split personality disorder. It is either he just cannot admit to himself that he does fake injuries, or he believes he can get away with his rather obscure, lame explanations and fool millions of people.

How long can he hang on to his #3 position like this?:shock:

It isnt' split personality but it is self-deception. It works for him, so that behavior is strengthened.

 

[zagor]

Roddick is a frat boy with a sarcastic sense of humor, typically not mean but he does bully the younger players. Joker has a victimization complex, he makes fun of others but will complain when the tables is turned. He uses his perception of being a victim to motivate himself.

A very accurate description of both them IMO.

 

[shavenyak]

A very accurate description of both them IMO.

Agreed!
adksf

 

[LES]

You can also be glad you didn't get your house, your church, your school, your roads, your bridges, your businesses carpet bombed for 80 straight days by Pres. Clinton and Gen.Wesley Clark and Vladimir Putin a few years ago!

Funny you bring this issue into it. Because IRC, the Serbian forces were ethnically cleansing Bosnian Muslims. And NATO (lead by the US) had to step in to stop this genocide.

I had a friend was a Croatian who fled his country. And a Serbian friend who told me about the atrocities committed Arkan's Tigers. So I'm not biased or anything.

 

[Love Game]

But for the first 8 years of my life I did get shelled at by the VC, my parents almost died from an artillery shell and of course my country lost the war, and I'm a refugee.

So if you were playing a tennis tournament in VN and your opponent was a vietnamese who told the crowd waiting to see your match something about your injuries and calling the trainer, right before you were introduced to that same crowd ...

... and the vietnamese crowd was as rude to you
as the american crowd was to novak, what would you do/feel?

 

[Love Game]

Funny you bring this issue into it. Because IRC, the Serbian forces were ethnically cleansing Bosnian Muslims. And NATO (lead by the US) had to step in to stop this genocide.

I had a friend was a Croatian who fled his country. And a Serbian friend who told me about the atrocities committed Arkan's Tigers. So I'm not biased or anything.

I was responding to Denis10is who said he was glad he didnt live in Serbia and made a disparaging remark about Novak's father into the bargain.

If you want to talk about the whole "ethnic cleansing" excuse to go to war without going to the UN once, let's do it in the Misc. Forum.

 

[verbatim100]

You appear to be young because you say things like he's only 21.

Roddick is a frat boy with a sarcastic sense of humor, typically not mean but he does bully the younger players. Joker has a victimization complex, he makes fun of others but will complain when the tables is turned. He uses his perception of being a victim to motivate himself. I wouldn't have either one over for dinner because I don't find tennis pros particularly interesting aside from the fact they play great tennis.

As a psychologist I can say this with certainty. People lie all the time. Furthermore, people lie to themselves all the time.

I disagree. many people, including sportsmen and women, have to a degree a sense of victimization and use it to motivate themselves to improve their performances. In Djoker's case there is something more pathological about his behavior.

 

[dennis10is]

Passion is as manly as stoicism, imho. I'm with you and the ATP, LoveGame.

This is 'passion' tinged with a great deal of insecurity.

Slice to the b to the h; compliments to you. I like your posts here.

The victimization thing is pretty strong in that family. He'll use this against Fed.

 

[dennis10is]

"mocking" is "treating with contempt or ridicule"
I saw no contempt in that tape you linked.

and you claimed the tape was made just last year, so I asked if you have any proof of that because that tape looks like the tape of a teenaged djokovic, not a 20-year-old.

Your posting is very peculiar? Are you doing a psychological study here and masking your identity?


I think Slice bh is in psychology and so was I. Your response is a little pat and follows a particular pattern.

 

[shavenyak]

If you want to talk about the whole "ethnic cleansing" sharade let's do it in the Misc. Forum.

That's some ******** right there. I think you've lost all respect here. You'd be better off not posting after that doozy.

 

[dennis10is]

Very few people know this, but Djokovic is actually carrying a goa'uld symbiote.

Long live the Star Gate! He must have a portable rengenration chamber.

 

[Love Game]

Your posting is very peculiar? Are you doing a psychological study here and masking your identity?

I think Slice bh is in psychology and so was I. Your response is a little pat and follows a particular pattern.

red herring.
I honestly want to know something that you know something about, namely your own mind, which is why I asked this question in response to your post.

So if you were playing a tennis tournament in VN and your opponent was a vietnamese who told the crowd waiting to see your match something about your injuries and calling the trainer, right before you were introduced to that same crowd ...

... and the vietnamese crowd was as rude to you
as the american crowd was to novak, what would you do/feel?

 

[Love Game]

I was responding to Denis10is who said he was glad he didnt live in Serbia and made a disparaging remark about Novak's father into the bargain.

If you want to talk about the whole "ethnic cleansing" sharade let's do it in the Misc. Forum.

That's some ******** right there. I think you've lost all respect here. You'd be better off not posting after that doozy.

200+ posts and youre already speaking for "here"?
Puhleez ...... speak for yourself and try not to curse.

I was responding to LES who responded to my post to denis10is.

at no time were my remarks directed to you,
but I believe in the power of discussion in wounding all...... er I mean...... healing all wounds. therefore, I extend the same invitation to you: Let's take it to the Misc. Forum.

 

[shavenyak]

200+ posts and youre already speaking for "here"?
Puhleez ...... speak for yourself and try not to curse.

I was responding to LES who responded to my post to denis10is.

at no time were my remarks directed to you,
but I believe in the power of discussion in wounding all...... er I mean...... healing all wounds. therefore, I extend the same invitation to you: Let's take it to the Misc. Forum.

I've have no idea what you're talking about, but calling the ethnic cleansing a "sharade" is absolutely moronic. You either need a history lesson or a dictionary.

 

[lovecr717]

Even roddick was joking but obviously djokovic took it very personally and got upset. This was very understandable. Robredo talked about this after his loss to djokovic and now this injuries thing had became an issue . It surely had bothered the player. And there roddick came and joked on this.

 

[dennis10is]

So if you were playing a tennis tournament in VN and your opponent was a vietnamese who told the crowd waiting to see your match something about your injuries and calling the trainer, right before you were introduced to that same crowd ...

... and the vietnamese crowd was as rude to you
as the american crowd was to novak, what would you do/feel?

I was born in Vietnam and now consider myself an American. I would consider the current Vietnam to be a foreign country to me.

If I was playing tennis in a country that I felt had committed wrongful military actions against me, I would first not go there. Some people who considered themselves "Vietnamese-Americans" (I'm not one of these, I consider myself American) are against the current Vietnamese regime. Hence, they would boycott playing tennis there. I believe there is a small tennis tournament in Vietnam now. They have the right to do this. IF, if Joker feels this strongly against American foreign policy he should not play in the US.

Other Vietnamese American, want to reach out to Vietnamese now so they would elect to play there and treat it as any other Davis Cup situation. If you play better with the crowd against you, you would inflame them, if you play better if things were calmer you would not.

I'm just plain American, If I was a pro tennis player and I'm playing in any country, even in the US, I would stick to my game plan.

 

[Love Game]

I've have no idea what you're talking about, but calling the ethnic cleansing a "sharade" is absolutely moronic. You either need a history lesson or a dictionary.

I was kidding like roddick!
Can't you take a joke?
FYI I did edit my post to remove the offending word.

However, I'd like to get a lesson in historic truth.
So, shall I begin a thread with that topic?

 

[dennis10is]

red herring.
I honestly want to know something that you know something about, namely your own mind, which is why I asked this question in response to your post.

That is strange comment to make. Sorry, you can't know somebody mind over the board, you do sound like one of those prompting program, therapy in a machine that makes related statement to illicit response.

 

[SuperPhong]

You appear to be young because you say things like he's only 21.

FYI, when I was 21, I wouldn't have accepted that from anyone who is also 21. One thing you will realize is that people's nature don't change much as they grow older. They may or may not learn to hide their true nature.

Roddick is a frat boy with a sarcastic sense of humor, typically not mean but he does bully the younger players. Joker has a victimization complex, he makes fun of others but will complain when the tables is turned. He uses his perception of being a victim to motivate himself. I wouldn't have either one over for dinner because I don't find tennis pros particularly interesting aside from the fact they play great tennis.

As a psychologist I can say this with certainty. People lie all the time. Furthermore, people lie to themselves all the time.

What's wrong with me saying he's only 21...how does make statement make you come to the conclusion that I am young...I hate ppl like you that think you can analyze everything, you don't think we know ppl like all the time doesn't take a psychologist...maybe you should take your degree and go somewhere else...

 

[LES]

I was responding to Denis10is who said he was glad he didnt live in Serbia and made a disparaging remark about Novak's father into the bargain.

If you want to talk about the whole "ethnic cleansing" excuse to go to war without going to the UN once, let's do it in the Misc. Forum.

No thanks I don't want to discuss politics in a tennis forum. It's pointless.

Just pointing your version of historical events is different than the commonly held version in the West

 

[shavenyak]

I was kidding like roddick!
Can't you take a joke?
FYI I did edit my post to remove the offending word.

However, I'd like to get a lesson in historic truth.
So, shall I begin a thread with that topic?

Just do a search for Yugoslav Wars and Ethnic Cleansing. Also, since I'm a photographer, check out James Nachtwey's book "Inferno." Starting on page 193 for the section on Bosnia.

Also, the western forces responsible for the bombings were all UN lead. I know because I was in the Army at the time. Actually, this event had a profound impact on my decision to stay in. I didn't want to be sent to war by some foreign entity.

 

[Love Game]

No thanks I don't want to discuss politics in a tennis forum. It's pointless.

Just pointing your version of historical events is different than the commonly held version in the West

Wow that's a grand a sweeping statement. So I'll respond in the same manner:
In order to be true, you'd have to know what my "version of historical events" is (which you don't) and your version of the "commonly held version in the west" would have to be true (which it isn't).

whatever ..... There's a Miscellaneous Forum for just this purpose, as you can see where there's plenty of political discussion threads going on.

Better to light a candle that curse the darkness, LES!

 

[Love Game]

Just do a search for Yugoslav Wars and Ethnic Cleansing. Also, since I'm a photographer, check out James Nachtwey's book "Inferno." Starting on page 193 for the section on Bosnia.

Also, the western forces responsible for the bombings were all UN lead.

Serbia.
Bosnia.
Two different countries.
I was talking about Serbia, Djokovic's nation of origin.

General Wesley Clark was the Supreme Allied Commander Europe/NATO forces who carpet bombed Serbia for 80 straight days.

The UN bombs people now? :shock:

You said I needed some history.
Who better to teach it to me than you?
Let's start a thread about it.
Maybe we can all learn some Truth.

 

[shavenyak]

And General Wesley Clark was the Supreme Allied Commander Europe/NATO forces.

The UN bombs people now?

You said I needed some history.
Who better to teach it to me than you?
Let's start a thread about it.
Maybe we can all learn some Truth.

So what? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Headquarters_Allied_Powers_Europe It's not an American position, he just happened to be American. NATO soldiers have to come from somewhere.

You don't think the UN bombs people? They've been going to war since Korea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Offensive,_1950

You're almost right, though. The UN has been pretty toothless as of late.

 

[Ripster]

It's nothing new among tennis fans that he fakes injuries during the match. Well, this time Djoker must have got very upset that his tactics have now come under a public scrutiny and been used as a butt of ridicule.

Tactics? He uses the injury timeouts because he feels pain, the rules are in place for a reason, and he's said countless times that he doesn't do this to throw anyone off.

Roddick embarrassed Novak by insinuating that he is a faker in front of thousands of fans and on live television. If you watched the Arthur Ashe Kids Day match, you'll see for yourself, Roddick acted like a frat boy bully.

During the 2004 Tennis Masters in Toronto, Roddick said during the trophy presentation that he felt like "punching Roger in the face" since Roger always beats him on the court, the crowd was just quiet and it was extremely awkward.

 

[shavenyak]

Serbia.
Bosnia.
Two different countries.
I was talking about Serbia, Djokovic's nation of origin.

Not really. All that light area? Yeah, that's Yugoslavia. You must be pretty young. Notice the little areas in there.... Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia....

 

[TheTruth]

THIS IS WHY I LOVE HIM.. he says the truth

Andy Roddick is an idiot..and he got worked over tonight.

then djokovic basically cursed the fans and roddick. he told his thoughts. he didnt pretend. he told the truth.

this is why you should love him, not hate him.

AIDE NOVAK

I gained a lot of respect for Novak. He did the right wrong thing. He told the truth. The NY fans and everybody else be danged, Novak isn't going for it. Roddick was wrong and deserved his early exit. Maybe next time he won't try to be so sickeningly snide.

 

[AvocadoBaby1212]

usually i would diss djokovic on something like thiss cuz of his attitude, but you know what? i think it was deserved, andy roddick of all people can't be talking smack to anyone, i mean honestly, what has he done compared to djokovic recently, heck career wise? andy cannot be doing stuff like this, even if he wasn't completly serious.

i think djokovic's attitude and fire are a good thing, they spice it up a little where as nadal can't say anything mean because he prolly doesn't know how to in english haha and fed's too classy.

 

[LES]

Wow that's a grand a sweeping statement. So I'll respond in the same manner:
In order to be true, you'd have to know what my "version of historical events" is (which you don't) and your version of the "commonly held version in the west" would have to be true (which it isn't).

whatever ..... There's a Miscellaneous Forum for just this purpose, as you can see where there's plenty of political discussion threads going on.

Better to light a candle that curse the darkness, LES!

You're right. I jumped the gun on with this post.

But I just want to say that with History there is no "truth" only different versions of the same story.

I don't know what your version is but, in the West (EU & US) the media portrayed the Serbs as the aggressors who started ethnic cleansing the (Muslim) Bosnians. The reason for the US (NATO) bombing was to to stop the genocide that was going on.

Your post made it seem like the US just decided suddenly to bomb Serbia for no good reason. Actually, my Croatian friend was always talking about this since the early 90's and he was frustrated that neither the UN or anyone else really cared that these atrocities were being committed and it took so long for someone to finally respond. My Serbian friend had a poster of 'Arkan's Tigers' on his wall and he thought they were 'bad-ass' because they were so feared. So I heard both sides of the story. Funny thing is the Serbian guy was really cool and not anti-muslim or anything, but he only heard the Serbian side of the story. Later on he realized that what they were doing was wrong and condemned their actions.

Anyways, I'm no expert on this so I won't discuss any further.

 

[drakulie]

Joker did one of these to Roddick on and off the court:

 

[Love Game]

Originally Posted by Love Game:
Serbia.
Bosnia.
Two different countries.
I was talking about Serbia, Djokovic's nation of origin.

Not really. All that light area? Yeah, that's Yugoslavia. You must be pretty young. Notice the little areas in there.... Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia....

Not really?
What not really?
You questioned my knowledge of Serbian history in the past decade.

Yes I see the areas labeled Slovenia, Kroatia, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Serbia, each surrounded by squiggly lines. I've been taught that those squiggly lines indicate separate countries. Did my teachers misinform me?

I wrote about "Serbia," but you wrote back to me about yugoslavia, bosnia, etc. However, I believe my history is correct in the statement I made, namely, it was Serbia that Gen. Wesley Clark (sent there by Bill Clinton) commanding the NATO forces, who carpet bombed Serbia and all its infrastructure for 80-straight days, including their holy day Easter.

I did not write that they carpet bombed Bosnia-Hercegovina or Kroatia or Slovenia, so I don't know why you brought those countries up.

I just wrote "Serbia."
Because Serbia was the name on Djokovic's Olympic sports gear.
Not Yugoslavia.
Not Bosnia-Hercegovina.
Not Kroatia.

If you still think my history needs improvement, please let's do it in a new thread in the Miscellaneous Forum.

 

[shavenyak]

Let me break it down from the beginning of your statements:

You can also be glad you didn't get your house, your church, your school, your roads, your bridges, your businesses carpet bombed for 80 straight days by Pres. Clinton and Gen.Wesley Clark and Vladimir Putin a few years ago!

If you want to talk about the whole "ethnic cleansing" sharade let's do it in the Misc. Forum.

Wrong, on so many levels:

1) The ethnic cleansing was NOT a charade.

2) The bombings were not lead by the USA. Wesley Clark was the leader of the NATO forces in Eurpoe at the time that NATO decided to execute Operation Allied Force against THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF YUGOSLAVIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia (not Serbia at the time).

3) You make it sound like the ethnic cleansing was just an excuse to go to war in the first place. NATO ordered it, we went. That’s the way it is, unless we leave NATO (which I am a proponent of).

Funny you bring this issue into it. Because IRC, the Serbian forces were ethnically cleansing Bosnian Muslims. And NATO (lead by the US) had to step in to stop this genocide.

I had a friend was a Croatian who fled his country. And a Serbian friend who told me about the atrocities committed Arkan's Tigers. So I'm not biased or anything.

LES reinforces what I stated above.

I was responding to Denis10is who said he was glad he didnt live in Serbia and made a disparaging remark about Novak's father into the bargain.

If you want to talk about the whole "ethnic cleansing" excuse to go to war without going to the UN once, let's do it in the Misc. Forum.

Again, you bring up the “excuse to go to war.” It was a NATO action that involved US troops. Again, I don’t think any foreign entity should be able to send our soldiers to their deaths, but it happens and this was a case of it.




Then I said:

Just do a search for Yugoslav Wars and Ethnic Cleansing. Also, since I'm a photographer, check out James Nachtwey's book "Inferno." Starting on page 193 for the section on Bosnia.

Also, the western forces responsible for the bombings were all UN lead. I know because I was in the Army at the time. Actually, this event had a profound impact on my decision to stay in. I didn't want to be sent to war by some foreign entity.

And you said:

Serbia.
Bosnia.
Two different countries.
I was talking about Serbia, Djokovic's nation of origin.

General Wesley Clark was the Supreme Allied Commander Europe/NATO forces who carpet bombed Serbia for 80 straight days.

The UN bombs people now? :shock:

You said I needed some history.
Who better to teach it to me than you?
Let's start a thread about it.
Maybe we can all learn some Truth.

Wrong and Right. Wrong part first:

Serbia at the time was known as THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF YUGOSLAVIA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia Hence my reference to the Yugoslav Wars.

The Bosnia portion of the book I was referring to was the work of Photojournalist James Nachtwey which documented the conflict between the Serbs and Croats during the Bosnian War 1992-1995 (which was ended by NATO air strikes as well in 1995 in Operation Deliberate Force). Which is why all that applies.

You’re right where I said the UN when in fact it was NATO. The UN does execute military action....at least they used to as in Korea like I posted above. Another organization we should depart from.

Not really?
What not really?
You questioned my knowledge of Serbian history in the past decade.

Yes I see the areas labeled Slovenia, Kroatia, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Serbia, each surrounded by squiggly lines. I've been taught that those squiggly lines indicate separate countries. Did my teachers misinform me?

I wrote about "Serbia," but you wrote back to me about yugoslavia, bosnia, etc. However, I believe my history is correct in the statement I made, namely, it was Serbia that Gen. Wesley Clark (sent there by Bill Clinton) commanding the NATO forces, who carpet bombed Serbia and all its infrastructure for 80-straight days, including their holy day Easter.

I did not write that they carpet bombed Bosnia-Hercegovina or Kroatia or Slovenia, so I don't know why you brought those countries up.

I just wrote "Serbia."
Because Serbia was the name on Djokovic's Olympic sports gear.
Not Yugoslavia.
Not Bosnia-Hercegovina.
Not Kroatia.

If you still think my history needs improvement, please let's do it in a new thread in the Miscellaneous Forum.

A few things:

Those were Yugoslavian states when that map was drawn. When you see the US on a map do you think “Kalifornia” is a country?

No, your history is wrong in that at the time, there was no country “Serbia” as I stated twice above, it was The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Hence, when you talk about the air strikes, I talk about Yugoslavia. Again, you allude to the fact that it was uncalled for. Quite a few photojournalists I’ve talked to had been trying to get UN/NATO involvement to stop the conflict and ethnic cleansing for years. There are books dedicated to the conflict with many graphic images.

Djokovic’s jacket may say Serbia in 2008, but for the first 16 years of his life, his country was called (The Socialist Federal Republic of / The Federal Republic of) Yugoslavia. Serbia became Serbia and Montenegro in 2003 and just Serbia in 2006.

But all this really doesn’t matter. The only serious problem is that you somehow think that these peaceful people were bombed for no good reason other than western aggression.

Do some research on the “sharade” as you call it. The ethnic cleansing took place, I've seen the pictures and talked to people who were there as photojournalists, the NATO military force, and as civilians.

And, yes, I'm done. You go ahead and post in Odds and Ends if you want to ask more questions.

 

[NamRanger]

Djokovic is a jerk, and Andy Roddick is a moron. Everyone happy now?

 

[Love Game]

Let me break it down from the beginning of your statements:
Wrong, on so many levels:
1) The ethnic cleansing was NOT a charade.
2) The bombings were not lead by the USA. Wesley Clark was the leader of the NATO forces in Eurpoe at the time that NATO decided to execute Operation Allied Force against THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF YUGOSLAVIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia (not Serbia at the time).
3) You make it sound like the ethnic cleansing was just an excuse to go to war in the first place. NATO ordered it, we went. That’s the way it is, unless we leave NATO (which I am a proponent of).
LES reinforces what I stated above.
Again, you bring up the “excuse to go to war.” It was a NATO action that involved US troops. Again, I don’t think any foreign entity should be able to send our soldiers to their deaths, but it happens and this was a case of it.
Then I said:
And you said:
Wrong and Right. Wrong part first:
Serbia at the time was known as THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF YUGOSLAVIA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia Hence my reference to the Yugoslav Wars.
The Bosnia portion of the book I was referring to was the work of Photojournalist James Nachtwey which documented the conflict between the Serbs and Croats during the Bosnian War 1992-1995 (which was ended by NATO air strikes as well in 1995 in Operation Deliberate Force). Which is why all that applies.
You’re right where I said the UN when in fact it was NATO. The UN does execute military action....at least they used to as in Korea like I posted above. Another organization we should depart from.
A few things:
Those were Yugoslavian states when that map was drawn. When you see the US on a map do you think “Kalifornia” is a country?
No, your history is wrong in that at the time, there was no country “Serbia” as I stated twice above, it was The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Hence, when you talk about the air strikes, I talk about Yugoslavia. Again, you allude to the fact that it was uncalled for. Quite a few photojournalists I’ve talked to had been trying to get UN/NATO involvement to stop the conflict and ethnic cleansing for years. There are books dedicated to the conflict with many graphic images.
Djokovic’s jacket may say Serbia in 2008, but for the first 16 years of his life, his country was called (The Socialist Federal Republic of / The Federal Republic of) Yugoslavia. Serbia became Serbia and Montenegro in 2003 and just Serbia in 2006.
But all this really doesn’t matter. The only serious problem is that you somehow think that these peaceful people were bombed for no good reason other than western aggression.
Do some research on the “sharade” as you call it. The ethnic cleansing took place, I've seen the pictures and talked to people who were there as photojournalists, the NATO military force, and as civilians.
And, yes, I'm done. You go ahead and post in Odds and Ends if you want to ask more questions.

Your uses of the word "charade" is disingenuous since I edited that out yesterday at 06:34 PM.

you wrote a post to me @
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2684619&postcount=392

and I responded to it @
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2684941&postcount=397

now, you've come back to me with a crazy quilt --
to teach somebody you need to Keep It Simple Sweetie.

I'll let you start the Misc. Forum thread. And I'll join you there for the discussion ..... as long as the goal is T-R-U-T-H, instead of some contest to make the other member wrong.

 

[shavenyak]

Odds and Ends thread posted here: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=219874

Please post if what I posted was not the crux of the question.