Yeah, I think it's safe to say Djokovic wouldn't be losing to Federer these days if he was at his best, unless Federer puts on an exhibition like in Shanghai last year or the Wimbledon semifinal this year. But still, a very impressive win for a 34-year-old against someone who has been as dominant as Djokovic has been this year.I don't know what he was, but to be fair he wasn't at his best. It happens.
You've literally just missed everything I wrote. It shouldn't be an excuse. After all, the man played back to back 5 setters at the AO in 2012. Again, Federer at the age of 33 did it last year, so it's not that big of a deal...Djokovic was tired though. Fed was fresh. He skipped Montreal. Djokovic played 10 matches in 12 days with multiple 3 set matches.
Did you actually saw how Novak was struggling against Goffin and Dolgopolov ? Is that Novak you are used to see ? You should admit to yourself first that this was not the Novak who was sweeping first half of the year, and this is not the first time this is happening (2014).LOL. Nadal won Montreal and Cincinnati in 2013. Federer reached the finals of Canada in 2007, 2010 and in 2014 and then won Cincinnati. FEDERER WAS 33 LAST YEAR AND DID IT. So Novak fans, please, no excuses.
Just because Djokovic wasn't at his best doesn't prove he was tired. They're different things.Did you actually saw how Novak was struggling against Goffin and Dolgopolov ? Is that Novak you are used to see ? You should admit to yourself first that this was not the Novak who was sweeping first half of the year, and this is not the first time this is happening (2014).
If you wanna gloat over that kind of Novak, go ahead, but you know there are not much moments left for you to gloat.
A sad excuse for a No. 1 player to ever say. He was outplayed plain and simple. He's lost to Federer twice this year and beat him once at Wimby. Neither had an excuse because there wasn't one. USO is a slower surface so that will help Djokovic fans. I'd like to see Djokovic do what Federer is doing at age 34 or Agassi ....be a top 3 player. He will break down similar to how Nadal has.Djokovic was tired though. Fed was fresh. He skipped Montreal. Djokovic played 10 matches in 12 days with multiple 3 set matches.
But Djokovic had a day off. And Nadal was able to do that in AO 2009 as well. Djokovic has not had an easy 2 weeks. I assume he will clean up his game and deny Fed once again of the US Open.
Tired, ill, out of gas, broken, hurt, uninterested, not there, exhausted, weary, bored to death... it doesn't matter what expression you are going to use, Djokovic was not Djokovic for some reason, and Federer is not one of them. In whole tournament that is.Just because Djokovic wasn't at his best doesn't prove he was tired. They're different things.
So if Federer wasn't one of the reasons, I'm presuming you could have beaten Djokovic today, too?Tired, ill, out of gas, broken, hurt, uninterested, not there, exhausted, weary, bored to death... it doesn't matter what expression you are going to use, Djokovic was not Djokovic for some reason, and Federer is not one of them. In whole tournament that is.
Come again ?So if Federer wasn't one of the reasons, I'm presuming you could have beaten Djokovic today, too?
Could you have beaten Djokovic today?Come again ?
Tired, ill, out of gas, broken, hurt, uninterested, not there, exhausted, weary, bored to death... it doesn't matter what expression you are going to use, Djokovic was not Djokovic for some reason, and Federer is not one of them. In whole tournament that is.
I would if I was Murray, RG Stan, Dolgopolov 1 out of 3, Kevin Anderson from Wimby, Feliciano Lopez vs Nadal... I could go on if you like. But that list would come to just one name at peak of his powers if Djokovic was just plain and simple - in normal condition.Could you have beaten Djokovic today?
Well, too bad none of them was good enough to make the Cincinnati final, then.I would if I was Murray, RG Stan, Dolgopolov 1 out of 3, Kevin Anderson from Wimby, Feliciano Lopez vs Nadal... I could go on if you like. But that list would come to just one name at peak of his powers if Djokovic was just plain and simple - in normal condition.
Called it what you want, but you should be sincere and admit we were not watching some usual stuff which has been usual for quite some time .Bored to death of his own game probably, the way he's been pushing all year.
Called it what you want, but you should be sincere and admit we were not watching some usual stuff which has been usual for quite some time .
I think it's a little more complex than that. I mean, he has won Dubai.There is a reason why Djokovic has never won this tournament (he's lost the finals to the players who have a great record against him on a fast hard court) and it's all about conditions - they are way too fast for him. Other players can rob him of time much easier here (flat hitters like Goffin and Dolgopolov have demonstrated that) and he is not allowed to play regular tennis - more often than not he is out of his comfort zone.
This "tired" argument is a complete nonsense.
He was not great in Canada too. And in 2014 also. I dare to predict that his UO campaign will not be AO, FO and Wimby like either.There is a reason why Djokovic has never won this tournament (he's lost the finals to the players who have a great record against him on a fast hard court) and it's all about conditions - they are way too fast for him. Other players can rob him of time much easier here (flat hitters like Goffin and Dolgopolov have demonstrated that) and he is not allowed to play regular tennis - more often than not he is out of his comfort zone.
This "tired" argument is a complete nonsense.
I watched the usual stuff. Fed vs Djokovic on fast hard courts: 7-1. 6-0 in Cincy sets. The only unusual was the lack of bakery goods today.
Dubai is played on a slower court, DecoTurf (Medium, Category III by ITF), while Cincinnati uses the Pro DecoTurf II (Medium-fast, Category IV). Also, the altitude is higher in Cincinnati, so the conditions are relatively faster, which makes the difference, IMO.I think it's a little more complex than that. I mean, he has won Dubai.
Yes, I've noticed that as well. Probably his playing style is finally taking its toll - he cannot grind throughout the whole season with the same success. His body can't sustain that pressure. Even in 2011, his best year, he was done after the USO with the score of 6 wins and 4 losses.He was not great in Canada too. And in 2014 also. I dare to predict that his UO campaign will not be AO, FO and Wimby like either.
Of course I look that way, but I don't feel pain, you on the other hand must feel some because you know what I'm talking about.No need to troll. You look buthurt. (adressed at OhYes)
Cincy is something different. He clearly can't feel very comfortable in it, and it comes after long break. Novak usually does very well AFTER UO, like he needs some time to warm up his engines.Yes, I've noticed that as well. Probably his playing still is finally taking its toll - he cannot grind throughout the whole season with the same success. His body can't sustain that pressure. Even in 2011, his best year, he was done after the USO with the score of 6 wins and 4 losses.
But, that's not the reason why he's never won in Cincinnati, IMO.
Really?He was obviously tired. He was slow getting to balls, he had THREE double faults on one freakin service game. He has played a packed schedule this year and has a lot of miles on him this year especially with all these deep runs.
Its no wonder hes tired.
Fatigue?? Its a damn 3 set match and CLOWNray is 6 years younger.. Why should "fatigue" play an issue exactly? Especially for someone 6 years younger? Sounds like a bunch of EXCUSES to me
If anything the 34 year old should be fatigued not a damn 28 year old
He realized that he has to employ more risking (second) service tactics, because Federer started to return aggressively his second serves like never before. Plus, he couldn't touch Fed's serve, both first and kick-monster second, so he started to fall apart in that game. It's not a tiredness, it was his frustration.He was obviously tired. He was slow getting to balls, he had THREE double faults on one freakin service game. He has played a packed schedule this year and has a lot of miles on him this year especially with all these deep runs.
Its no wonder hes tired.
Really?
Nole has many more miles on his body this year (and overall because hes accomplished so much more and made deeper runs) with a tougher jam-packed schedule than Murray does.
Fed also took a bit of time off so even though hes older he was more refreshed. Nole has played ALOT of tennis
Sorry but at the end of the day there is NO REASON for at least 28 year old MUrray to push 34 year old Fed to a final set. Anything less is inexcusable.
He went 3 sets with Dog in Miami !!!. Nobody shouted out an excuse when Roger lost Wimbledon 2014 to Novak. He did have back problems that year but it was not the reason he lost 6-4 in the 5th of Wimbledon. No way, he got beat by a top player, Noval. Serena's year is dominant by the numbers but she struggling with 15+ 3 set matches.Did you actually saw how Novak was struggling against Goffin and Dolgopolov ? Is that Novak you are used to see ? You should admit to yourself first that this was not the Novak who was sweeping first half of the year, and this is not the first time this is happening (2014).
If you wanna gloat over that kind of Novak, go ahead, but you know there are not much moments left for you to gloat.
Djokovic was tired though. Fed was fresh. He skipped Montreal. Djokovic played 10 matches in 12 days with multiple 3 set matches.
That makes no sense whatsoever. Why would anyone tank a final?I don't think Novak gave his best against Andy in Montreal and against Roger in Cincinnati.
I think he might be doing this intentionally. He probably doesn't want to peak too early, who knows?
That makes no sense whatsoever. Why would anyone tank a final?
I don't think Novak gave his best against Andy in Montreal and against Roger in Cincinnati.
I think he might be doing this intentionally. He probably doesn't want to peak too early, who knows?
17, man. 17. Federer could lose in the first round at the US Open and he'll still have 17. That's 3 more than Sampras will ever have.Why kill yourself on a comeback when you got the important tourney in Flushing like a week or so away
Miami was red hot Dolgopolov. Cincy was Novak lured Dolgopolov into a match. Dolgo did not play like in Miami.He went 3 sets with Dog in Miami !!!. Nobody shouted out an excuse when Roger lost Wimbledon 2014 was because he had back problems that year and it was the reason he lost 6-4 in the 5th of Wimbledon as an excuse. No way, he got beat by a good player. Serena's year is dominant by numbers but she struggling with 15+ 3 set matches.
Yeah, like everybody is 100% when they get to a final. No blisters, inflammation in the arm , no tweaks, no pain. What was the excuse against Murray? NThere was none, UNLESS you find one. He got beat in Canada and today so accept it and congratulate your opponent as a gentleman instead of making excuses. Novak should be happy it was not in a GS and he did easily take out his nemisis, Wawrinka.
He realized that he has to employ more risking (second) service tactics, because Federer started to return aggressively his second serves like never before. Plus, he couldn't touch Fed's serve, both first and kick-monster second, so he started to fall apart in that game. It's not a tiredness, it was his frustration.
Federer also played the same amount last year and he won Cincinnati.I'll give Nole the free pass today especially with the USO right around the corner. Someone said he played like 10 matches in 12 days? Thats a crazy tennis schedule. He should have just took Cincy off