Does Federer beat Djokovic at Wimbledon 2018?

[Fabresque]

Does he? Hypothetically if he did what he was meant to do and get past Anderson in straights, then beat personal pigeon Isner in the SF, would he beat Djokovic in the final?

Djokovic’s 2018 Wimbledon form didn’t really move me. He was dropping many sets to average players and barely got through Nadal, who for about 7 years did absolutely nothing at Wimbledon. He beat an exhausted and quite frankly not good enough Anderson in the final.

Federer’s 2018 OTOH was pretty pathetic outside of the AO. It was a shock result losing to Anderson but he should’ve had enough to still make it to the final.

2018 not only marked Federer’s final slam but also this particular Wimbledon marked Djokovic’s stunning comeback into the slam winning realm, which he followed up by winning the next two slams and retaining world no. 1 status.

It wouldn’t have been a good final, that’s for sure, but in this made up universe can Federer beat Djokovic and prevent his incredible slam winning run from 2018-present?

 

[Third Serve]

That's a funny way to downplay one of the very few historically great matches in the last eight years.

 

[djokovic the conqueror]

No. Djokovic had all the confidence in the world when he beat Nadal in the semifinal. Djokovic has the experience of beating Federer in the 2014 and 2015 final. Federer would’ve lost because he has a mental block against Djokovic in Wimbledon finals.

 

[platypus50]

No I don't think so, Federer's mental block against Djokovic (losing back-to-back Wimbledon finals in 2014 and 2015) would have doomed him to a 3rd loss in a Wimbledon final to Djokovic. Djokovic beats Federer most likely in 4 sets in a hypothetical 2018 Wimbledon final.

Had Federer hypothetically beaten Anderson and Isner back-to-back in the QF and SF (as many had expected), I think Federer would also have been undercooked going into a potential final against Djokovic especially as his ground game was subpar then.

On the other hand, Djokovic would have been battle-hardened enough after edging out Nadal 10-8 in the 5th set in his SF and received a huge confidence boost taking out a fellow ATG.

 

[MeatTornado]

Very unlikely. He simply didn't have the baseline form to contend with the kind of rallies Djokovic would've put him through.

 

[roysid]

If Federer beat Anderson, then my belief is that Djokovic doesn't go to finals.

Federer would have finished Isner soon and Djokovic gets Nadal in outdoors
With margins so small, Djokovic doesn't beat Nadal in outdoors that year

 

[pj80]

No. Djokovic had all the confidence in the world when he beat Nadal in the semifinal. Djokovic has the experience of beating Federer in the 2014 and 2015 final. Federer would’ve lost because he has a mental block against Djokovic in Wimbledon finals.

Fed would beat Djo at Wimbledon in any match that they have not played in...he would lose only the ones that they actually played.

 

[tennis_error]

Hypothetically?
Off course...

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

If Federer beats Anderson in straight sets (he had a friggin match point & a sitter on that MP lol), it'd mean we'd not get the long servefest of Isner vs Anderson, because Roger would most likely finish Isner in straight sets to advance to the final.

Scenario 1 :- Djokovic still gets past Nadal in a 5 set thriller to make the final.
I think Federer takes this one. Because Djokovic would be emotionally and physically drained.

Scenario 2 :- Nadal defeats Djokovic & advances to the final.
I think Rafa takes this one. He was in better physical shape & form, Djokovic was extremely lucky to have indoors conditions against him.

Scenario 2 is more likely.

 

[Linelicker]

I'll never understand how Federer managede to lose that match...

Never lost a set to Anderson before or after, and had MP to win in straights.

Djokovic wins.

 

[MichaelNadal]

I'll never understand how Federer managede to lose that match...

Never lost a set to Anderson before or after, and had MP to win in straights.

Djokovic wins.

The same way Nadal lost to Wolverinka at AO14 and he had never lost a set to him. You just have to play the matches.

 

[alexio]

The same way Nadal lost to Wolverinka at AO14 and he had never lost a set to him. You just have to play the matches.

ndal was injured clearly, fed wasnt perhaps

 

[Silverbullet96]

Federer would’ve lost because he has a mental block against Djokovic in Wimbledon finals.

I don't think a 1-2 H2H at a Slam can cause a mental block.

 

[pj80]

ndal was injured clearly, fed wasnt perhaps

idk if he was clearly injured, he only started letting the audience and opponent know of the injury once he was a set and a break down...and once he saw that Wawrinka wasn't backing down.

 

[NatF]

Fed injured his hand earlier in the grass season and his level in the last few sets of the QF was pretty bad, don't see him winning. Hypothetical fit Fed though? Absolutely

 

[junior74]

ndal was injured clearly, fed wasnt perhaps

Uninjured Nadal has to this day never not won.

 

[alexio]

Uninjured Nadal has to this day never not won.

i was serious, thus wawr' that win is a bit asterisked too, same way as ndal' this year at ao, will always be, no matter wut, if to judge entirely objective

 

[tennis_pro]

Fed played like crap in 2018 after IW, he's not beating Djokovic at Wimbledon that year. 2017 on the other hand.

 

[Mike Sams]

Djokovic beat Federer in the Miami 2018 final a month after Wimbledon. So it seems Djokovic had no issue with confidence or form if he had played Federer in the 2018 Wimbledon final.

 

[junior74]

i was serious, thus wawr' that win is a bit asterisked too, same way as ndal' this year at ao, will always be, no matter wut, if to judge entirely objective

Objectively; beating Djokovic and Nadal en route to a slam title is considered ombeleebel.

 

[helterskelter]

Uninjured Nadal has to this day never not won.

Uninjured Nadal has to the end of time never played because he has never existed and will never exist.

 

[ffw2]

Uninjured Nadal has to the end of time never played because he has never existed and will never exist.

Ahead of his time in many ways tho as a speculative, theoretical concept. Early adopter of the 'metaverse' notion in which he exists harmoniously alongside similarly invincible -- yet benignant -- avatar representations of their otherwise toxic and repugnant worldly counterparts.

 

[helterskelter]

Ahead of his time in many ways tho as a speculative, theoretical concept. Early adopter of the 'metaverse' notion in which he exists harmoniously alongside similarly invincible -- yet benignant -- avatar representations of their otherwise toxic and repugnant worldly counterparts.

Good point! And considering that he has been winning moral slams since at least the dawn of time, if not before, he is very old indeed, and so is, properly understood, even more ahead of his time than a crude account of his existence as a mere bodily and injured form might suggest.

 

[ffw2]

Good point! And considering that he has been winning moral slams since at least the dawn of time, if not before, he is very old indeed, and so is, properly understood, even more ahead of his time than a crude account of his existence as a mere bodily and injured form might suggest.

haha

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Djokovic beat Federer in the Miami 2018 final a month after Wimbledon. So it seems Djokovic had no issue with confidence or form if he had played Federer in the 2018 Wimbledon final.

Great to know that Miami masters decided to be replayed once again after Wimbledon in 2018.

 

[D.Nalby12]

No.

 

[GabeT]

Fed would beat Djo at Wimbledon in any match that they have not played in...he would lose only the ones that they actually played.

I see that posters here moved from hypothetical Fed winning to hypothetical Nadal also beating Novak. Now the excuse is the roof. The Excuse Brigade never sleeps!

 

[NoleFam]

Probably not, but who knows? One thing to add to this convo is that Anderson was very dangerous at Wimbledon when he was feeling it. Almost took down peak Djokovic in 2015. Actually, he came the closest to beating him. Arguably, should have taken down Querrey in 2017 and advance where I would favor him beating Murray as well.

 

[Mike Sams]

Great to know that Miami masters decided to be replayed once again after Wimbledon in 2018.

Instead of being a smart alec, you could've easily corrected my mistake as being Cincy Masters. Clown

 

[Tennfan123]

Federer had a mental block versus Djokovic?
Nope. He was just old when Djoker started beating him in big matches.
you’re welcome.

 

[AVSH]

Hypothetically, I'm better than Federer

 

[itrium84]

Does he? Hypothetically if he did what he was meant to do and get past Anderson in straights, then beat personal pigeon Isner in the SF, would he beat Djokovic in the final?

Djokovic’s 2018 Wimbledon form didn’t really move me. He was dropping many sets to average players and barely got through Nadal, who for about 7 years did absolutely nothing at Wimbledon. He beat an exhausted and quite frankly not good enough Anderson in the final.

Federer’s 2018 OTOH was pretty pathetic outside of the AO. It was a shock result losing to Anderson but he should’ve had enough to still make it to the final.

2018 not only marked Federer’s final slam but also this particular Wimbledon marked Djokovic’s stunning comeback into the slam winning realm, which he followed up by winning the next two slams and retaining world no. 1 status.

It wouldn’t have been a good final, that’s for sure, but in this made up universe can Federer beat Djokovic and prevent his incredible slam winning run from 2018-present?

In all hypothetical scenarios, Nadal is the winner. So, in this exact scenario you offered, between Fed and Novak, it's clear that Nadal would win the finals.

 

[jm1980]

Great to know that Miami masters decided to be replayed once again after Wimbledon in 2018.

I think he meant Cincinnati

 

[InsuranceMan]

The price of pain for 2017 is so, so high…

 

[Rosstour]

If he had MPs in 2019 after dispatching the Moral Grass GOAT in the SF...

...but in 2018 we can say he was playing better since he actually won a Slam...

...then why not?

 

[Kralingen]

This is a bad question

the better one would be 2011, and I honestly think Fed takes that

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

I doubt he even beats Nadal that year much less Djoker

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Instead of being a smart alec, you could've easily corrected my mistake as being Cincy Masters. Clown

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

I think he meant Cincinnati

Yep, but a clown like me wants to make fun, no?

 

[Pandora Mikado]

No. Djokovic is expert at pressure points. Federer would get many points like he usually does in this matchup but Djokovic wins the last one.

 

[Zara]

Good point! And considering that he has been winning moral slams since at least the dawn of time, if not before, he is very old indeed, and so is, properly understood, even more ahead of his time than a crude account of his existence as a mere bodily and injured form might suggest.

Are you saying he is Zoroastrian?

 

[Zara]

Uninjured Nadal has to the end of time never played because he has never existed and will never exist.

Is Federer the hypothetical winner while Nadal the moral victor? Where does that leave poor Djokovic then?

 

[Fabresque]

Is Federer the hypothetical winner while Nadal the moral winner? Where does that leave Djokovic then?

The actual winner.

 

[Silverbullet96]

Idk

 

[Cortana]

2019 would have happened 1 year before, that‘s it.

 

[Djokodal Fan]

If Federer beat Anderson, then my belief is that Djokovic doesn't go to finals.

Federer would have finished Isner soon and Djokovic gets Nadal in outdoors
With margins so small, Djokovic doesn't beat Nadal in outdoors that year

If if if if and if. 2011 WB finals between Djokovic and Nadal happened in ideal conditions that favor Nadal.

just stop drawing hypotheticals. Nadal simply cannot win against Djokovic anywhere outside of clay in last 9+ years. There is a reason why he is called forever number 2

 

[tsp_207]

Djokovic > Anderson > Federer.

 

[The returner]

No chance , boring roger would be to busy yelling at the ball children anyway.

 

[mahatma]

Their grass h2h is 3-1 in Djokovic favour with only 1 match happening after 2018. This time duration can't see Djokovic losing to Fed in wimbledon

 

[SonnyT]

Federer had a mental block versus Djokovic?
Nope. He was just old when Djoker started beating him in big matches.
you’re welcome.

'14-15, Federer was beating everyone, but Djokovic. But with the Djoker on the other side of the net, he was suddenly too old.
In '17, he wasn't too old, was he? In '19, on double mp, he suddenly became too old!