Edmund will be dangerous for Novak

[RF-18]

If both win their matches today, they will face in the 3rd round.

Am I the only one who thinks Edmund is a potential trip mine? Djokovic needs to look out here and be on His toes from the absolute start. What makes it even more dangerous is the fact that it's early. This meeting could might aswell have been later in the tournament, cause Edmund is really good.

Nevertheless I think we are looking at a good early match here.

 

[MatsPhilander]

I would make Edmund the slight favourite.

 

[JackGates]

I would make Edmund the slight favourite.

Really? I mean come on, Djokovic is in very good form, he made queens final. If you would bet, you would really bet on Edmund?

 

[Gary Duane]

If both win their matches today, they will face in the 3rd round.

Am I the only one who thinks Edmund is a potential trip mine? Djokovic needs to look out here and be on His toes from the absolute start. What makes it even more dangerous is the fact that it's early. This meeting could might aswell have been later in the tournament, cause Edmund is really good.

Nevertheless I think we are looking at a good early match here.

Dangerous only if Novak is not as good as he needs to be to do well this year. But if he's getting back into from, he'll win easily.

 

[MatsPhilander]

Really? I mean come on, Djokovic is in very good form, he made queens final. If you would bet, you would really bet on Edmund?

Yes, Novak is hugely uninspiring, he did enough at Queens but he still only looks about 60% at best of his peak years. Edmund is a hugely improved player with the crowd behind him.

 

[RF-18]

Dangerous only if Novak is not as good as he needs to be to do well this year. But if he's getting back into from, he'll win easily.

Obviously if he plays well and has a good attitude he has 90% won, but if he comes into the match not on his game Edmund will punish that. The guy has weapons. Very good serve and a weapon in his forehand, pretty solid from the BH side aswell. He can hold his ground.

 

[joekapa]

Yes, Novak is hugely uninspiring, he did enough at Queens but he still only looks about 60% at best of his peak years. Edmund is a hugely improved player with the crowd behind him.

Crowds behind his opponents, means nothing to Djokovic, as he has shown in the past.

I would put Djokovic slightly more than 60% from his peak......probably around 80% now. 80% is more than enough to beat Edmund.......dangerous as he is.

 

[JackGates]

Yes, Novak is hugely uninspiring, he did enough at Queens but he still only looks about 60% at best of his peak years. Edmund is a hugely improved player with the crowd behind him.

I would be very surprised if he lost to Edmund. Well, let's see. Hey I hope you are right, as a Fed fan of course I don't want to see Novak in the finals.

 

[joekapa]

Obviously if he plays well and has a good attitude he has 90% won, but if he comes into the match not on his game Edmund will punish that. The guy has weapons. Very good serve and a weapon in his forehand, pretty solid from the BH side aswell. He can hold his ground.

Is he quick enough though ? If Djokovic plays well, I think he will smother him.

 

[junior74]

 

[Gary Duane]

Obviously if he plays well and has a good attitude he has 90% won, but if he comes into the match not on his game Edmund will punish that. The guy has weapons. Very good serve and a weapon in his forehand, pretty solid from the BH side aswell. He can hold his ground.

But if Edmund punishes him, he's not back, so it doesn't matter.

A wounded Djokovic can't win Wimbledon, nor should he.

 

[RF-18]

Crowds behind his opponents, means nothing to Djokovic, as he has shown in the past.

I would put Djokovic slightly more than 60% from his peak......probably around 80% now. 80% is more than enough to beat Edmund.......dangerous as he is.

Yea I think it helps Novak when the other opponent has the support, as crazy as that sounds. But Djokovic feeds of it. It motivates him to shut them down.

 

[zagor]

If both win their matches today, they will face in the 3rd round.

Am I the only one who thinks Edmund is a potential trip mine? Djokovic needs to look out here and be on His toes from the absolute start. What makes it even more dangerous is the fact that it's early. This meeting could might aswell have been later in the tournament, cause Edmund is really good.

Nevertheless I think we are looking at a good early match here.

Nope, not the only one. I definitely see him as a potential landmine, he beat Novak in Madrid (and Novak sucked less than in some of his other losses this year), played well against Murray on grass recently and will be backed by a local crowd. He's a good ballstriker off both wings, has a big FH, a decent serve and is not a bad mover either.

Of course he has suspect mentality and lacks variety so I'd expect Novak to win but I wouldn't dismiss him as a threat.

 

[RF-18]

But if Edmund punishes him, he's not back, so it doesn't matter.

A wounded Djokovic can't win Wimbledon, nor should he.

That's very true.

 

[joekapa]

Edmund is no Cilic. Just to put it in perspective. Cilic is a very underrated player. He is not just a serve.

 

[RF-18]

Nope, not the only one. I definitely see him as a potential landmine, he beat Novak in Madrid (and Novak sucked less than in some of his other losses this year), played well against Murray on grass recently and will be backed by a local crowd. He's a good ballstriker off both wings, has a big FH, a decent serve and is not a bad mover either.

Of course he has suspect mentality and lacks variety so I'd expect Novak to win but I wouldn't dismiss him as a threat.

As Gary said and he said it well, if Djokovic can't beat Edmund, he has no business going to the 2nd week. But he should be good enough, no more room for slip ups.

 

[RF-18]

Edmund is no Cilic. Just to put it in perspective. Cilic is a very underrated player. He is not just a serve.

Definitely. Djokovic showed in that match but also during the tournament he should be at least amongst the top 4 here at Wimby. But still Edmund is scary man

 

[jga111]

If both win their matches today, they will face in the 3rd round.

Am I the only one who thinks Edmund is a potential trip mine? Djokovic needs to look out here and be on His toes from the absolute start. What makes it even more dangerous is the fact that it's early. This meeting could might aswell have been later in the tournament, cause Edmund is really good.

Nevertheless I think we are looking at a good early match here.

I have a bet for Edmund to win Wimbledon. No you are not the only one

 

[Gary Duane]

That's very true.

I've never been a fan, so I think I'm very objective. I think Djokovic healthy and focused is still one of the three most dangerous players on the planet, and I was the only one who came out in favor of the new serve.

Top announcers are saying it is back to the old serve, but he's using the new motion, from earlier this year, melded with the old one, so it's new. Top players do nothing by accident.

If Djokovic has ever had a weakness, it's been his serve, but he plugged that hole at his peak. Any sign that he is hitting spots and consistently getting 1st serves in around 120 mph is bad news for everyone.

Look where he is now:

https://www.atpworldtour.com/en/stats/return-games-won/2018/all/all/

Then the serve:

https://www.atpworldtour.com/en/stats/service-games-won/2018/all/all/

15th here, which does not tell the full story, since this stat has been going steadily up. When the service game stat goes back up to at least 86%, which I believe it will quickly if he has no pain, you'll see from him exactly what you saw from Nadal. Bad news for everyone else on concrete!

If he finishes well at Wimbledon, he's my outside pick already for the USO.

 

[zagor]

As Gary said and he said it well, if Djokovic can't beat Edmund, he has no business going to the 2nd week. But he should be good enough, no more room for slip ups.

That's kind of a moot point to make IMO, if Novak can't beat Edmund he obviously won't be in the 2nd week. I think Novak will win in 4 at most but as I said, he's a threat and I'm sure Novak is well aware of it.

I don't think if Novak struggles with Edmund more than expected it means he has no shot at the title or that he's not back (or whatever), it's not that uncommon for the eventual champion to have some struggles in early rounds (think of Novak's 2015 Wimbledon or Fed's 2012 or Nadal's 2010).

 

[Pheasant]

Djoker is in good form. But Edmund is the type of big hitter that can hit Djoker off of the court if he gets hot.

Edmund hasn’t shown consistency yet. But he is dangerous. It wasn’t that long ago that he made it to a slam semi. I give Edmund a 40% chance of beating Djoker. If a peaking Edmund shows up, watch out.

 

[joekapa]

I have a bet for Edmund to win Wimbledon. No you are not the only one

Edmund to pull a Greece 2004 ?

 

[zagor]

Edmund to pull a Greece 2004 ?

Both basketball and football, those were the times. Always liked them as a people.

 

[joekapa]

Both basketball and football, those were the times. Always liked them as a people.

True, they kicked ass in basketball as well, during that period. They bet the USA during that period, from what I remember.

You from Serbia ?

 

[joekapa]

But they have always been a formidable force in Basketball.

 

[zagor]

True, they kicked ass in basketball as well, during that period. They bet the USA during that period, from what I remember.

You from Serbia ?

Yeah I'm from Serbia, we've never been much in football but almost always a force in basketball.

In basketball, the Greece won Euro Championship (which was held in Serbia that year) so they didn't face the Dream Team.

 

[Raining hopes]

Edmund's good form,Crowd 80% against him,Volatile nature( recently), inability of keeping good play through the match all spell danger for Djoker

 

[jga111]

Edmund to pull a Greece 2004 ?

When the stars are aligned strange things happen. I’m looking up - they’re looking pretty straight to me!

 

[TripleATeam]

Edmund isn't about to beat Djokovic. He has a strong chance if Djokovic is off, but I don't think he will be. Djokovic will get past Edmund. Need I remind the crowd that despite how dangerous Edmund is, he still lost on grass to Kukushkin in Eastbourne? Who then proceeded to lose to Mischa Zverev, who has since lost in straight sets in the first round of Wimbledon.

Obviously, that's reaching a bit, but if we decide to talk about current form, Edmund hasn't proved anything. Djokovic has at least made the final of Queens, losing in a close 3 setter to last year's Wimbledon finalist. Recently, Djokovic has been doing better than Edmund, and given what I've seen in the single round at Wimbledon so far, I think he'll keep it up through the third round.

 

[oldmanfan]

Many good points from posters above.

I didn't pay too much attention to Edmund before AO18 (have seen his name often though). AO18 could've been a one-off, but the form he showed in his win over Murray at Queens is pretty high. If he goes to net more in the future, he's a super-threat at the level of Cilic imo. The FH in the Murray match at Queens seems close to DelPo level. A shot like that doesn't go away. And he seems very calm during the matches (great asset). I can't comment on mental toughness yet.

With a bit more consistency, willingness to approach net a bit more, and staying healthy, I can see him in top-8 not long from now, maybe even top-5.

Djokovic needs to be on his game if they meet.
Edmund's a threat.

 

[tennis_pro]

Edmund will beat Djokovic.

 

[MatsPhilander]

Edmund to pull a Greece 2004 ?

He will not be sitting back defending like them.

 

[joekapa]

He will not be sitting back defending like them.

Go's to show how much you know. They didn't play Catenaccio style football. Man to man, yes.....Catenaccio no.

The but hurt from the win, is still felt today.

 

[jga111]

Edmund isn't about to beat Djokovic. He has a strong chance if Djokovic is off, but I don't think he will be. Djokovic will get past Edmund. Need I remind the crowd that despite how dangerous Edmund is, he still lost on grass to Kukushkin in Eastbourne? Who then proceeded to lose to Mischa Zverev, who has since lost in straight sets in the first round of Wimbledon.

Obviously, that's reaching a bit, but if we decide to talk about current form, Edmund hasn't proved anything. Djokovic has at least made the final of Queens, losing in a close 3 setter to last year's Wimbledon finalist. Recently, Djokovic has been doing better than Edmund, and given what I've seen in the single round at Wimbledon so far, I think he'll keep it up through the third round.

So he lost to Kukushkin - big deal. These are five setters. Slams. Different dynamics. Different setup. Just ask Caroline Wozniacki, I wonder if she is queuing up for tickets today.

I betted on Edmund's first match to win in 3 with first set 6-2. Guess what? He won in 3 with the first 6-2. My point? I am feeling the level of this player and how good he is.

Of course on paper Djoko beats Edmund.

But Edmund is on the up. Djoko trying to re-establish his previous trend. Edmund can lose timing on his FH which makes him a sitting duck. But if he keeps his rhythm, he can surprise Djoko. And this is sport - where the predictable does not always happen. And I think this may be one of those times.

Lets see and hope for a good match regardless. And nice to see Djoko back closer to his previous level by the way, it's good for the sport.

 

[MatsPhilander]

Go's to show how much you know. They didn't play Catenaccio style football. Man to man, yes.....Catenaccio no.

The but hurt from the win, is still felt today.

It was a long time ago but from memory they sat back every game & won on the counter attack & the reports seem to back that up.

The Daily Telegraph might have admired their spirit, their defiance, but its report of that game struck a sombre note. "A tear flowed down the face of the beautiful game," its match report of that fixture began. In the Guardian, David Miller was more scathing still, accusing the Greeks of having secured victory through "every unscrupulous, negative means" at their disposal. Pauleta, the Portugal striker, suggested it was "regrettable that a team that does nothing but defend ends up as European champion."

Across the continent, many seemed to agree. Euro 2004 was written off as one of the worst tournaments of recent years, a victory for anti-football, for the artisans over the artists.

 

[joekapa]

It was a long time ago but from memory they sat back every game & won on the counter attack & the reports seem to back that up.

The Daily Telegraph might have admired their spirit, their defiance, but its report of that game struck a sombre note. "A tear flowed down the face of the beautiful game," its match report of that fixture began. In the Guardian, David Miller was more scathing still, accusing the Greeks of having secured victory through "every unscrupulous, negative means" at their disposal. Pauleta, the Portugal striker, suggested it was "regrettable that a team that does nothing but defend ends up as European champion."

Across the continent, many seemed to agree. Euro 2004 was written off as one of the worst tournaments of recent years, a victory for anti-football, for the artisans over the artists.

The Brits have always been but hurt because of their lackluster performances on the national level.
But those that actually knew anything about the sport, knew that something was brewing in Greece, just by looking at their qualifying rounds (not losing a match). Those who payed notice, knew that a good performance was coming.

But isn't a wonder that they say nothing about Chelsea "parking the bus". Italy more or less played a similar style, but nothing scathing about their victories ?

They were butt hurt, because they didn't see it coming.

And yes, all the "top" teams were caught off guard, and didn't know how to react against a tight "team".

 

[jga111]

It was a long time ago but from memory they sat back every game & won on the counter attack & the reports seem to back that up.

The Daily Telegraph might have admired their spirit, their defiance, but its report of that game struck a sombre note. "A tear flowed down the face of the beautiful game," its match report of that fixture began. In the Guardian, David Miller was more scathing still, accusing the Greeks of having secured victory through "every unscrupulous, negative means" at their disposal. Pauleta, the Portugal striker, suggested it was "regrettable that a team that does nothing but defend ends up as European champion."

Across the continent, many seemed to agree. Euro 2004 was written off as one of the worst tournaments of recent years, a victory for anti-football, for the artisans over the artists.

A lot of those comments were sour grapes. Greece played with 5 in the middle to winning effect. This was a turning point in football throughout as many teams tactically employed similar strategies, in particular the newly promoted teams in the top divisions. And then look at Maurinho's Chelsea in 2005 and thereafter. 4-4-2 went out the window and Greece were largely responsible for that. In some ways, whilst their performance may be regarded as negative by some, in actual fact it was merely part of the evolution chain and a cog in the wheel to the football that is common across today (3-2-3-1-1, back 3, wing backs, compact central midfield, 1 man attack, 1 designated playmaker).

 

[Djokovic2011]

If it coincides with England's match vs Sweden I won't even be able to watch it.

 

[Plamen1234]

It was a long time ago but from memory they sat back every game & won on the counter attack & the reports seem to back that up.

The Daily Telegraph might have admired their spirit, their defiance, but its report of that game struck a sombre note. "A tear flowed down the face of the beautiful game," its match report of that fixture began. In the Guardian, David Miller was more scathing still, accusing the Greeks of having secured victory through "every unscrupulous, negative means" at their disposal. Pauleta, the Portugal striker, suggested it was "regrettable that a team that does nothing but defend ends up as European champion."

Across the continent, many seemed to agree. Euro 2004 was written off as one of the worst tournaments of recent years, a victory for anti-football, for the artisans over the artists.

Yeah 2004 Euro was a pretty bad tournament.I understand the Greeks happiness over it but let be real it was very weak tournament overall.2016 Euro was the same - hopefully the next Euro will be stronger.I really dont want repeat of 2016 when Portugal won the title without having one win in the group stage plus Portugal had such a cakewalk draw to the final.

 

[joekapa]

A lot of those comments were sour grapes. Greece played with 5 in the middle to winning effect. This was a turning point in football throughout as many teams tactically employed similar strategies, in particular the newly promoted teams in the top divisions. And then look at Maurinho's Chelsea in 2005 and thereafter. 4-4-2 went out the window and Greece were largely responsible for that. In some ways, whilst their performance may be regarded as negative by some, in actual fact it was merely part of the evolution chain and a cog in the wheel to the football that is common across today (3-2-3-1-1, back 3, wing backs, compact central midfield, 1 man attack, 1 designated playmaker).

Agree totally. Without realising, they changed the game in a lot of ways. Read the following. It is an eye opener.

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/03/29/greece-euro-2004-tactics/

 

[joekapa]

Yeah 2004 Euro was a pretty bad tournament.I understand the Greeks happiness over it but let be real it was very weak tournament overall.2016 Euro was the same - weak tournament overall.

Pretty bad tournament....because Greece won, beating the home team twice (the best Portugal team ever), the previous Champions (Zidane's France), and the favorites (Czech Republic).

Yeah pretty bad tournament.

Only that it showed the beauty and unpredictability of sports. It re-inforced the essence of team play, and team spirit....and totally broke down the true meaning of having a "team of stars", or a "star team".

 

[cc0509]

If both win their matches today, they will face in the 3rd round.

Am I the only one who thinks Edmund is a potential trip mine? Djokovic needs to look out here and be on His toes from the absolute start. What makes it even more dangerous is the fact that it's early. This meeting could might aswell have been later in the tournament, cause Edmund is really good.

Nevertheless I think we are looking at a good early match here.

What's the matter, you're not confident about Novak, his current form, and his draw? Weren't you just chastising me in another thread for being skeptical about Novak's chances to win this Wimbledon title?

 

[merwy]

Edmund is a very strong player and imo underrated on this forum. Definitely agree with your statement. He could beat Djokovic.

 

[jga111]

Cilic is OUT - the stars are aligned I'm telling you!

 

[MatsPhilander]

Told you he would be dangerous.