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Daniel Andrade

Hall of Fame
UnderratedSlam said:
They could be faked.

Prove they are not.

Come on. Show evidence they are real.

I have no idea why you are so triggered by the obvious fact that WTA teens these days don't try as hard off the court. They run and run in their matches, giving the illusion they are totally committed but it is obvious many are not, because do few have any consistency.
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First, I'll reply to the bolded part. There's no good analogy between the WTA and the nebula example. The issue is not that everything could be fake. Is that there's at least a photo of the nebula, but you don't even have proof that it is indeed laziness what is causing these players to underpeform. You see a consequence (single GS winners) and you immediately conclude the cause is something you have a BIAS for, not another reason. What you need is video, news paper reports, players admitting, etc. That they are indeed lazy. Not just the opinion of just 1 coach. And you need that for all or most single GS winners.

For the second part: I'm not triggered, in fact just from the way you replied my first comment we can really see who's the triggered snowflake, calm down.
I just tell it like it is.
 
UnderratedSlam

UnderratedSlam

G.O.A.T.
Daniel Andrade said:
First, I'll reply to the bolded part. There's no good analogy between the WTA and the nebula example. The issue is not that everything could be fake. Is that there's at least a photo of the nebula, but you don't even have proof that it is indeed laziness what is causing these players to underpeform. You see a consequence (single GS winners) and you immediately conclude the cause is something you have a BIAS for, not another reason. What you need is video, news paper reports, players admitting, etc. That they are indeed lazy. Not just the opinion of just 1 coach. And you need that for all or most single GS winners.

For the second part: I'm not triggered, in fact just from the way you replied my first comment we can really see who's the triggered snowflake, calm down.
I just tell it like it is.
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Why are you constantly ignoring half my posts in your replies?

You seem to quote selectively...

I wonder why.

Here's my full reply.

Read it, and reply to it...

UnderratedSlam said:
They could be faked.

Prove they are not.

Come on. Show evidence they are real.

I have no idea why you are so triggered by the obvious fact that WTA teens and 20somethings these days don't try as hard off the court. They run and run in their matches, giving the illusion they are totally committed but it is obvious many are not, because so few have any consistency. It's that lack of work off-court you're unaware of. But hey, you seem to know more than Tursunov...

You are treating this subject as a murder scene, where neat DNA evidence applies.

Hilarious.

You want me to find footage of pros being lazy at practice or defying their coaches insisting on more work?

Too funny.
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Don't avoid the stuff you can't argue with.

At least have the decency to quote everything I posted.
 
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UnderratedSlam

UnderratedSlam

G.O.A.T.
Daniel Andrade said:
but you don't even have proof that it is indeed laziness what is causing these players to underpeform. You see a consequence (single GS winners) and you immediately conclude the cause is something you have a BIAS for, not another reason. What you need is video, news paper reports, players admitting, etc. That they are indeed lazy. Not just the opinion of just 1 coach. And you need that for all or most single GS winners.
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Did you even read the Tursunov interview?

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...nal-problems-concerning-young-players.728231/
 
No_Kwan_Do

No_Kwan_Do

Semi-Pro
Always amuses me when people sitting behind a keyboard posting nonsense daily on a forum presume to know exactly little or how hard someone works away from the cameras and away from the general public. Unless you're personally spending time with that player in person on the court and/or in the gym, you have absolutely no idea, so don't make an arse of yourself by claiming you do off the back of a few social media clips and sporadic results.

Looking at the results of a 19-year old who has been on the main tour for just over a year with 12-14 record isn't a substantial enough reason to categorically say they aren't trying hard enough or are lazy.

On the contrary, unless her entire work ethic has changed within the space of the last 11 months, I've heard good things in interviews about how hard she works from the people that have coached and practiced with her over the last few years. If someone like Andy Murray is saying that she works hard off the court, then she probably does.
 
Jokervich

Jokervich

Hall of Fame
No_Kwan_Do said:
Always amuses me when people sitting behind a keyboard posting nonsense daily on a forum presume to know exactly little or how hard someone works away from the cameras and away from the general public. Unless you're personally spending time with that player in person on the court and/or in the gym, you have absolutely no idea, so don't make an arse of yourself by claiming you do off the back of a few social media clips and sporadic results.

Looking at the results of a 19-year who has been on the main tour for just over a year with 12-14 record isn't a substantial enough reason to categorically say they aren't trying hard enough or are lazy.

On the contrary, unless her entire work ethic has changed within the space of the last 11 months, I've heard good things in interviews about how hard she works from the people that have coached and practiced with her over the last few years. If someone like Andy Murray is saying that she works hard off the court, then she probably does.
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If she is working hard and still failing, that's actually more worrying than if she was just lazy. That means with her maximum effort, she's not good enough to win at this level.
 
No_Kwan_Do

No_Kwan_Do

Semi-Pro
Jokervich said:
If she is working hard and still failing, that's actually more worrying than if she was just lazy. That means with her maximum effort, she's not good enough to win at this level.
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If she were in her mid 20s and her game had fully matured, sure.

As it is, she still has plenty of room and time to improve. She needs some stability in her backroom team though.
 
Clay lover

Clay lover

Legend
In the games I watch since her USO win her game has been underwhelming. Forehand gets too spinny and grindy a lot of times and lacks sting and the killer backhand which got her so many winners during USO is solid but not as unrestrained as before. When she meets an opponent who's willing to go for the shots she just gets blown off the court because she's hardly matching them in terms of power and shot-making
 
No_Kwan_Do

No_Kwan_Do

Semi-Pro
I suspect Pegula will be a far sterner test of how well she's playing this week, but I fancy her chances.

The type of player she's predominantly struggled with this year are big ball strikers so players like Rybakina, Sasnovich, Giorgi and Samsonova. Pegula won't hit her off the court and take the racquet out of her hand, but she also won't throw in cheap errors either like Vika and Serena, so she'll really need to earn her win.
 
Wander

Wander

Hall of Fame
accidental said:
Raducanu just accomplished something else Anna Kournikova never managed to do: beating Serena Williams

That Jason Swerve guy must be absolutely fuming
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Probably not since even with Martinka he only rates her as the best ever to do it in 1997 before she got lazy and complacent.

I don't actually remember Jason ever saying much of anything about Serena in the first place.
 
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tennis24x7

Professional
No_Kwan_Do said:
Always amuses me when people sitting behind a keyboard posting nonsense daily on a forum presume to know exactly little or how hard someone works away from the cameras and away from the general public. Unless you're personally spending time with that player in person on the court and/or in the gym, you have absolutely no idea, so don't make an arse of yourself by claiming you do off the back of a few social media clips and sporadic results.

Looking at the results of a 19-year old who has been on the main tour for just over a year with 12-14 record isn't a substantial enough reason to categorically say they aren't trying hard enough or are lazy.

On the contrary, unless her entire work ethic has changed within the space of the last 11 months, I've heard good things in interviews about how hard she works from the people that have coached and practiced with her over the last few years. If someone like Andy Murray is saying that she works hard off the court, then she probably does.
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All the people upset with her for not winning is just a very bad case of sour grapes. She can choose to do what she wants.
 
Subway Tennis

Subway Tennis

Legend
No_Kwan_Do said:
I suspect Pegula will be a far sterner test of how well she's playing this week, but I fancy her chances.

The type of player she's predominantly struggled with this year are big ball strikers so players like Rybakina, Sasnovich, Giorgi and Samsonova. Pegula won't hit her off the court and take the racquet out of her hand, but she also won't throw in cheap errors either like Vika and Serena, so she'll really need to earn her win.
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The comments you made about Pegula were spot-on. It was a big step up from the previous Azarenka match, particularly given how poor Azarenka was in that match. I was actually shocked at how poor Vika’s movement was, and she was making a heap of unforced errors.

Overall I would take Cincinnati as a positive sign for Raducanu being back on track. I’m not sure she can win another major but the listless, low energy Raducanu that was really struggling earlier in the year seems to be in the rearview mirror now.
 
RaulRamirez

RaulRamirez

Legend
Subway Tennis said:
The comments you made about Pegula were spot-on. It was a big step up from the previous Azarenka match, particularly given how poor Azarenka was in that match. I was actually shocked at how poor Vika’s movement was, and she was making a heap of unforced errors.

Overall I would take Cincinnati as a positive sign for Raducanu being back on track. I’m not sure she can win another major but the listless, low energy Raducanu that was really struggling earlier in the year seems to be in the rearview mirror now.
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I agree. She looked more assertive this tourney -- went more for her shots.
I think a R of 16 (or better, of course) would be a good showing at the USO, and give her...if not great momentum...a sense of being on an upswing.
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(General Comment: What she achieved at US021 can never be taken away from her, and it was absolutely legitimate, even if she never wins another major. It's been a difficult last 11 months in some respects with injuries, illness and heightened expectations despite this being her first fulltime year on the tour. Hopefully, she'll settle into it. One has to be talented to achieve what she did, and she's obviously very bright, a quality person and seems to love the game. It may take years for her to really hit her stride, but I'll be watching and rooting for her.
 
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No_Kwan_Do

No_Kwan_Do

Semi-Pro
Subway Tennis said:
The comments you made about Pegula were spot-on. It was a big step up from the previous Azarenka match, particularly given how poor Azarenka was in that match. I was actually shocked at how poor Vika’s movement was, and she was making a heap of unforced errors.

Overall I would take Cincinnati as a positive sign for Raducanu being back on track. I’m not sure she can win another major but the listless, low energy Raducanu that was really struggling earlier in the year seems to be in the rearview mirror now.
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I've seen Azarenka throw in a few of those sorts of performances recently, most notably against 16-year old (at the time) Linda Fruhvirtova back in Miami, where she was down 6-2 3-0 before storming off the court and retiring without taking an MTO. It looked like she was having another one of those days.

In terms of the Pegula match, I thought Pegula played pretty well. You compare her performance against Garcia (where she hit 0 winners and made 10 UEs in the 1st set) in the SF, she was very stingy in comparison. She rarely missed a ball all night and hit quite flat with a lot of depth, which constantly put Raducanu on the back foot. Aside from her serve, which got her out of a lot of tight holes, I don't think Raducanu was at her best off the ground. She was mis-timing a lot of Pegula's 2nd serves, which aren't difficult balls to keep inside the court, and there were far too many UEs. So despite all of that, keeping it to 7-5 6-4 was actually quite a respectable scoreline against someone that's #3 in the live race.

I don't think she's too far off, but plenty more work to be done.
 
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a12345

Professional
She loses 2000 ranking points and will drop to around 75 in the world.

Where are all those people now who criticised those that said it was a bad idea to get rid of her coach. If its not broken dont fix it.

This is what happens when you listen to yes people that gas you up for every decision you make.

It was a terrible decision and shes paid the price.
 
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MiamiWeekendWarrior

Hall of Fame
I feel bad for her....but not really. She's 19, already a multi-millionaire, will never have to work another day in her life if she doesn't want to as long as she isn't stupid and blows all her money on stupid s#!t, has a US Open title and barring any monumentally stupid decisions or horrendous bad luck, will live a very charmed life. She can have an amazing career in modeling if she wants it.

But as for tennis, well.... If she wants any chance at being a long-time top 10 player, she should immediately fire her entire team and re-hire every single person that was with her when she won last year. Then start from scratch. Go play off-circuit tournaments, challengers, etc...just like Agassi did when his game turned to crap.
 
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Nostradamus

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
a12345 said:
She loses 2000 ranking points and will drop to around 75 in the world.

Where are all those people now who criticised those that said it was a bad idea to get rid of her coach. If its not broken dont fix it.

This is what happens when you listen to yes people that gas you up for every decision you make.

It was a terrible decision and shes paid the price.
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Hey ,, Ironically though... at Current level she is playing at that is basically Correct Ranking for her.... being serious here.. :)
 
tennis4me

tennis4me

Hall of Fame
Emma has started the hard work in getting her ranking back up. She's entered as WC and seeded #1 using her pre-decline rank of #11. She's currently at #73 after winning her 1st round match by retirement against Yastremska 6-2, 5-3. IF, she wins the tournament, she'll be back into top-50.
 
tennis4me

tennis4me

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O oh, the losing streak continues. Lost to Friedsam in 3 sets. She still cannot get 3 consecutive matches win in more than a year.
 
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