Fat Head ... anyone seen it? thoughts?

rk_sports

Hall of Fame
Watched Fat Head and felt it was making some interesting observation.. it is basically challenging the logic in 'Supersize Me' ... this is not an endorsement or anything.. I was surprised to hear some of the stuff in it and wanted to discuss in a factual sense .. do they have real basis here? or is it just 'another' theory? :confused:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1333994/

few of the things they're talking abt --
* lipid hypothesis ...abt saturated fats
* real causes of obesity and diabetes
* mainly.. lowering carbohydrate intake, and increasing animal fats, is good
 
If something sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

Bacon is not the answer to the worsening obesity problem.

A bacon dominant diet will not decrease your chances of having a heart attack or stroke.

Complex carbohydrates provide the best energy source for energetic tennis players.
 

Archmage

New User
I have NOT seen that film, but I am quite familiar with research-based health trends, and I know of Dr. Eades and his blog - but I also know of several other similar blogs... so I'd have to read through it for his specific viewpoint.

That said: I doubt that anyone is really advocating a bacon diet.

Health researchers are trending toward a modernized paleolithic-style diet for a few reasons:

- Saturated Fat (animal fats, coconut oil) is necessary to increase HDL cholesterol (good) and large particle LDL (also good - but general cholesterol tests won't reveal this) - need a "VAP test" for accurate cholesterol particle size analysis, but many doctors haven't quite updated their
- Low fat, excess carbohydrate diets tends to increase VLDL cholesterol and Lipoprotein A (not good). A paleo-style diet isn't necessarily low-carb, but eating more fat does displace the need for extra carbs.
- The large-scale studies suggest that a higher fat diet (40-60% fat calories) produces the best blood lipid results (check youtube for The Stanford Study - long video though, so you could google it for quicker information)
- The anecdotal evidence confirms this. My cholesterol results (and those of people I know on this diet) are great (that, alone, doesn't mean we're in good health, but our blood lipids and markers for heart disease (VLDL, C-reactive protein, homocysteine, etc) are excellent).
- Animal fats are a good source of fat-soluble nutrients.

Eating BACON all day will likely still give you a damned heart attack in the longterm. It's still necessary to observe the Omega 6: Omega 3 fats ratio (try to keep it low), and to eat your vegetables and fruits. I probably eat 5-10X the mass of vegetables as the average American (my blender makes quick work of it).


A lot of these blogs stress that we should reduce our reliance upon grains. However if we're increasing our fat intake, then we'll likely be decreasing our grain intake anyway.

Carbs: I eat most of mine around and during workouts. I don't eat a low-carb diet.
 

Archmage

New User
Corrections and Additions:

- If the film makes similar claims, then it's probably somewhat credible. There still is no proven "best" diet for everyone - I actually believe that people are genetically adapted to eat different things. Activity level is a factor. There are some long-lived cultures on relatively high carb diets (nowhere near as bad as our American diet, however).
- Many doctors do not administer VAP-cholesterol tests, and often do not understand the importance of particle size, and thus cannot correctly interpret even regular tests. Having a moderately high LDL isn't necessarily bad if its composed mostly of large-particles, as is often the case in patients who have a high HDL and low VLDL. If the HDL is lower, VLDL higher, and LDL still elevated... then we should be worried.
 

WildVolley

Legend
I saw and enjoyed Fat Head.

One of the best things about the movie is that it showed that Super Size Me was a fraudulent documentary. Spurlock has refused to release his food logs to anyone. The maker of Fat Head shows that Spurlock's weight gain is completely inconsistent with the diet he suggests he is eating in the movie (you can do the math too with a simple calorie counting book). Spurlock was most likely downing a few milkshakes a day to get the extra thousands of calories he needed to make his movie shocking. Simply put, Spurlock was stuffing himself in order to achieve an impressive weight gain. You can get the same results by stuffing yourself with donuts and veggie burgers on a vegetarian diet. It doesn't prove that a vegetarian diet is bad for you.

The maker of Fat Head loses weight and improves his blood profile by drinking diet sodas and unsweetened ice tea during the month of fast food and limiting his consumption of fries. He also walks for fitness and does some light resistance work.
 

rk_sports

Hall of Fame
Definitely opened my mind about things...not that I accept all of what I seen...but makes me think and do my own research (as advised in book Inner Game of Tennis :))

Only thing I'm not sure yet is that...could it be that his body accepted that eating habits and that may not hold good for most others?
I would really love to see a sample of people trying his approach and see the results
 

WildVolley

Legend
Definitely opened my mind about things...not that I accept all of what I seen...but makes me think and do my own research (as advised in book Inner Game of Tennis :))

Only thing I'm not sure yet is that...could it be that his body accepted that eating habits and that may not hold good for most others?
I would really love to see a sample of people trying his approach and see the results

The interesting thing about the movie is that it mentions that the Framingham study showed that people who consume more cholesterol from saturated animal fats had lower overall blood cholesterol. Also, high cholesterol levels were not correlated with heart attacks in men over the age of 47 (which is the time in life when most men have heart attacks).

I don't always eat a great diet, but I'm working to improve it. I eat a lot of eggs and bacon and red meat. My cholesterol levels have always been normal, and I've always been thin. I've been a fan of eating fat since the late 1980s and my weight has remained within roughly a 20lb range my whole adult life. I've never counted calories and I only gain weight when make a purposeful effort to bulk up when lifting.

My current dietary theory is that most of the possible benefits of vegetarianism are from eating more vegetables and fruit, not cutting back on meat. So, I've slowly been changing over to more of a paleo-style diet which emphasizes cutting back on sugars, grains, and simple carbs.
 
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McDonald's menu item - calories/serving - grams of fat:

Big Xtra! With Cheese - 810 - 55

French Fries (Super Size) - 610 -29

Spanish Omelet Bagel - 690 -38

Butterfinger McFlurry - 620 - 22

- http://www.newsandjava.com/McDonald's calorie chart.htm

It seems to me that a non-exercising individual could get pretty fat, pretty fast, if they pigged out at McDonald's.

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http://athensboy.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/mcdonalds-mcdonald-27s-131219_468_698.jpg?w=468&h=698
 
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WildVolley

Legend

McDonald's menu item - calories/serving - grams of fat:

Big Xtra! With Cheese - 810 - 55

French Fries (Super Size) - 610 -29

Spanish Omelet Bagel - 690 -38

Butterfinger McFlurry - 620 - 22

It seems to me that a non-exercising individual could get pretty fat, pretty fast, if they pigged out at McDonald's.

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If you gorge yourself and never exercise, you'll almost always get fat unless you are eating food with almost no calories.

Let's say I ate the Big Xtra w Cheese, the supersize fries, and the Butterfinger McFlurry at a meal (which is more than I'd eat). The total calories would be 2,040, which would be less than I'd need to eat in a day to maintain my body weight.

Spurlock only gained 25lbs or so by consuming over 5,000 calories a day. For a guy who claimed the stuff made him sick, he was cramming as much of it into his belly as he could. Do some sample meals and you'll see he was definitely adding extra food into each meal. Supersizing the meals was not the problem.
 

rk_sports

Hall of Fame
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One of the best things about the movie is that it showed that Super Size Me was a fraudulent documentary. Spurlock has refused to release his food logs to anyone. The maker of Fat Head shows that Spurlock's weight gain is completely inconsistent with the diet he suggests he is eating in the movie (you can do the math too with a simple calorie counting book). Spurlock was most likely downing a few milkshakes a day to get the extra thousands of calories he needed to make his movie shocking. Simply put, Spurlock was stuffing himself in order to achieve an impressive weight gain. Y....

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Spurlock only gained 25lbs or so by consuming over 5,000 calories a day. For a guy who claimed the stuff made him sick, he was cramming as much of it into his belly as he could. Do some sample meals and you'll see he was definitely adding extra food into each meal. Supersizing the meals was not the problem.

I guess like some 'good' storytellers, Spurlock exaggerated a little to make his point .. wait, then that would then make it a fiction not 'documentary' ;)
 

WildVolley

Legend
I guess like some 'good' storytellers, Spurlock exaggerated a little to make his point .. wait, then that would then make it a fiction not 'documentary' ;)

Yeah, his "documentary" wouldn't have been very interesting if he had just gained 5lbs or so and if the doctor hadn't suggested he was causing himself liver and other health problems.

What Naughton does in Fat Head isn't that amazing with respect to weight loss. He openly admits he's going to run a calorie deficit to lose weight. He does this primarily by cutting down on carbs from soft drinks and fries, and by walking more.

The only surprising thing in Fat Head is that despite eating very little in the way of anything fresh in terms of vegetables and fruit while eating a high fat diet, his blood work shows almost no change in cholesterol or other negative effects. This means that it is possible that Spurlock's bad health effects were not the result of the fats (even the nasty trans-fats), but instead because of the gallons of high fructose corn syrup and all the simple carbs he was consuming.
 

Archmage

New User
This means that it is possible that Spurlock's bad health effects were not the result of the fats (even the nasty trans-fats), but instead because of the gallons of high fructose corn syrup and all the simple carbs he was consuming.

This is probably true.

While I don't suggest making a habit of eating fast-food meats (dubious quality, according to my friend who has managed consumables-testing labs for the FDA), it's still a hell of a lot better than over-indulging in soda, simple sugars, and even breads products.

And those Fries are just fat sponges... in a bad way. No business is going to fry their food in a high quality oil. I love them, but I only eat them if I'm splitting them with multiple people, which is probably 1-2 times per year.
 
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