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Lleytonstation
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I do think I speak for MOST Fed fans when I say it's time we move on from this and accept it. Fed is not done playing tennis and he might not be done winning slams.
Let's move on from this and be glad he beat Rafa and made it to a slam final at 38. Forget he had match points and enjoy the last few rides and not the results.
He has given us the results, lets now enjoy the final rides eh?
Let's move on from this and be glad he beat Rafa and made it to a slam final at 38. Forget he had match points and enjoy the last few rides and not the results.
He has given us the results, lets now enjoy the final rides eh?
MeatTornado
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I was clearly talking about those of us who are upset by the loss, not all Fed fans. How are you the only one who can never understand this? Context clues, dude. They teach you that in 1st grade reading.I haven't been here for more than a couple of minutes in the last couple of days, because in fact I have other interesting things to do, but it took me all of 5 minutes to read the latest in FN to see that you haven't been exhausted of being you. You are very much mistaken. I am not looking for a fight. I am resolved to remind you that you are not speaking on my behalf, so that will continue until you don't stop.
If you're not upset by the loss, then you're not included in the WE of that sentence.
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xFedal
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Johansson d. Roddick, 2004 USO
Johansson won 24 fewer points than Roddick did (128-152), but won the match.
Lleytonstation
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What he have to say now?
AceSalvo
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The “2004-2007 weak era” rubbish.
Lleytonstation
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Hmmm, I wonder what this one is then?
Lleytonstation
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AceSalvo
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Yep.
Apparently Fed is paying now for not having faced a strong era. Conveniently ignoring the fact that Fed is 38. 2004-2007 Fed would have smoked 2019 Djoko.
MeatTornado
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Well, to play devil's advocate,isn't that exactly his point? That Fed was so damn good in his prime that he didn't have to learn to fight through the tough matches because he could just smoke everyone based on his skill. Wins came too easy for him.
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Lleytonstation
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Fed has learned several ways to fight and overcome tough situations (AO17 anyone?). He also has had a lot closer matches in the last couple of years that he ended up winning (shows fighting to finish).
Maybe it has nothing to do with the "weak era" early in his career but his age now makes it tougher to overcome.
Maybe it has nothing to do with the "weak era" early in his career but his age now makes it tougher to overcome.
icedevil0289
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but the thing is, to say he didn't have to fight through points is also incorrect. its not like he was smoking everyone 24/7, he did have tough matches. heck that USO 2007 if im not mistaken, while was a straight set match, actually was much tighter, but with fed winning the important points. Take another one, his 5 setter against nadal during wimbledon 2007. I'm sure there were more, so this idea that fed never dealt with important matches or had to fight is still wrong as is djokodal being tactical geniuses. Him mentioning nadal after fed beat him and has a winning h2h post 2015 completely undoes his entire argument.
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"GOATmas" has just been declared an international holiday by Hallmark.
To be celebrated on an annual basis. Throughout the calendar year. All of them.
You've got to like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To be celebrated on an annual basis. Throughout the calendar year. All of them.
You've got to like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lleytonstation
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So Fed finally gets his ornament?"GOATmas" has just been declared an international holiday by Hallmark.
To be celebrated on an annual basis. Throughout the calendar year. All of them.
You've got to like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AceSalvo
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No, that was not his point. He was pointing to the fact that there was no one strong enough to give Fed a tough match. So, there are people out there ignoring that fact that he could just smoke everyone based on his skill and purposefully coming to wrong conclusion. Last I checked, 2007 Fed beat Djoko in the USO finals. So what kind of crap is Trollander up to when he says 2007 was weak and 2019 is strong.
These kind of loses are being used as ammo to promote a false narrative. Sure Fed wouldn’t care now. But when more people start singing the same song, not only it would be just plain wrong but Fed will be in a position where his hands are tied.
Us fans would have to bear the burden of fighting these kind of dimwits. Not that we should even bother. Fed has been silencing his critics since 2009. He still has the chance to keep doing it, but not for long.
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Lleytonstation
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So you are not allowed to link videos from Youtube?He was making a ton of videos about Federer's game, uploading them on his youtube channel and linking them here. The videos were all high quality as editing and as a whole. Pity that he was banned, and maybe they will allow him to come back, if he restricts his linking. He can contact them on the admin's email to discuss it, if he wants, but he probably received warnings before the actual ban, so I don't know how it came to this. Either he ignored them completely or there is something else going on. In any event his videos are entertaining (I say are, because banning him from here doesn't mean that we cannot enjoy them elsewhere) and I will continue to watch them on his channel there.
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Lleytonstation
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So if they were not his he would be fine? I guess you cant link too many videos from the same person? I hope mods give warnings like this, because he seemed like a legit poster.I think that this was a problem, because he was linking many videos to his own content, not that he linked random videos. I never viewed it as something more than providing highly interesting content to very discerning fans, and I don't think that he got that many views as a result from that, but obviously (if what MLM says is true) people that do that as their job have a better picture and understanding about the situation. This is a private site that runs a business, so commercial interests are of utmost importance for them.
ghostofMecir
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I haven’t found a more egregious example of the AD scoring system rewarding a player who was outplayed than this one.
-24 points
-34 return points (Pim Pim won 27 return points in 24 Roddick serve games)
Roddick with a 1.65 Dominance ratio (never seen a higher one for the “losing” player other than when a player retired mid match).
Service breaks were 3 a piece, though.
Djokovic-Federer match had service breaks 7 to 3 in favor of Federer.
ghostofMecir
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The sad part is that in any logical and rational world, a 38 year old overall outplaying both the #1 and #2 in back to back matches in a slam gives ”ammunition” to somehow discredit him. It’s just ludicrous.
Lleytonstation
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Welcome to TTW and the world of the Greatest Ever is whichever big 3 just won the latest slam.
xFedal
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Djokovic was immensely tough mentally...... returnovic showed up only in the tiebreakers lol.
Bobby Jr
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Good. He blatantly ignored the rules and spammed the board for years with his money-motivated posts. I suggested the board could set up a sub-forum for posting videos like that so it wouldn't populate the main forum but I guess they decided otherwise.
You are, but he was doing it as a type of business - posting his videos in all the main tennis forums across the internet and in comments of articles etc. If he'd just posted one a week it wouldn't have been an issue I imagine but in peak times he was posting stuff in multiple threads every day under the guise of "here's a cool video". He even previously solicited money on his youtube channel to support his business. He'll claim he's just a fan of tennis sharing footage - and no doubt at all he loves tennis - but it was intended also as a business effort and so breached board rules.
Notwithstanding, all of his footage was in copyright breach which technically - like almost all tennis vids posted - can be removed according to currentboard rules (which might need updating).
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Lleytonstation
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I just hope he was warned. If he was, then I guess it is on him, I never saw him as that, but I have only been here a few months, so maybe it was more common then I thought.
AceSalvo
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Well, I have not seen Trollander heap praise on Fed for beating Nadal and matching up to Djoko. That's pretty sad. If Fed had won, I don't think there would have been a 2004-2007 weak era BS.
AceSalvo
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Nope. Shankerer was in the house for all the TB's
TB #1 - 4 Shanks
TB #2 - 3 Shanks
TB #3 - 4 Shanks
Fed lost the trophy by a few shanks.
Sorry, I am not buying into this "mentally tough Djoko" bs. Fed was equally mentally tough. In fact, it was Fed who first had match points.
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MeatTornado
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In a world where he converted match point, we'd be talking about this being the most mentally tough victory of his career.
Down 2 sets to 1, and then down a break in the 5th, fighting back and hanging in by having to hold serve 2nd in an extended 5th set against the returner who creates more pressure than anyone.
Literally 1 inch of difference on that 40-15 serve and that's what the discussion would be.
AceSalvo
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Thats narrowing it down to how close Fed was to the trophy.
TennisaGoGo
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If it makes you feel any better, I’ve seen a few analyses where that serve was going wide even if it cleared the net.
AceSalvo
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I dont think so.
Even when Fed was really mentally strong no one ever mentioned anything close to the "mentally strong" topic. How soon people forget Fed came back from a break down in the 5th set to lift #18 against his #1 nemesis and the supposedly the real GOAT of tennis. If that is not the definition of "mentally strong" then I don't know how anything else can be.
Fed always has that reminder incoming at the right moment. 2012, 2017, 2020 (I hope).
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MeatTornado
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I'm talking about just the immediate aftermath like right now. After #18 in Australia that's exactly what the discussion was.
I didn't mean that this one win vs Novak would change the narrative of his career.
AceSalvo
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It's not about the serve, but the UE from Fed that landed just an inch away from the side line.
AceSalvo
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So then people who are claiming Djoko to be the most mentally tough are missing the memo about what Fed did a few years ago. Or they have an agenda.
Here what Mats said after Fed's #18:
"Not only I never saw him playing the backhand so well against Nadal, but I think he had the best backhand in this tournament,' Wilander told L'Equipe Newspaper. He took the ball early. We could not imagine he was able to do all this against Nadal, but he showed his genious game also because of the courts speed in Melbourne."
That's giving a BH'ed compliment to Fed. Did Mats mention that the speed at 2019 Wimbledon was so slow which is why Djoko did better than otherwise? Nope. Straight to "Djoko is the mentally toughest and Fed didn't face anyone like that during 2004-2007".
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MeatTornado
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I don't really see it as an agenda because Novak is mentally tougher than Fed. That point shouldn't really be up for debate.
I also think you're reading too far into the court speed quote. It wasn't a BH'd compliment at all in my mind. Just an honest assessment, one that Roger himself shared. Seems kinda unrelated to whether or not Mats believes Fed showed mental strength in that match.
AceSalvo
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Surely debatable. 2011 FO SF and 2012 Wimb SF proves that its debatable. A 26-22 H2H makes it even more debatable. Cmon, its not rocket science.
Novak is a better returner than Fed. And Fed has aged a lot movement and FH wise. Thats all.
Well, Mats missed on giving an honest assessment that Fed played the TB's bad on a slowish Wimbledon court which is why Djoko won. Nothing to be "honest" about a mentally tough Djoko or a weak 2004-2007.
I don't think you're even close to a proper assessment about Mats.
"but he showed his genious game also because of the courts speed in Melbourne." & "Fed is paying for beating through a weak 2004-2007"
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MeatTornado
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Clearly we have different definitions of mental toughness, that's all.
AceSalvo
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yes, that is clear.
Lleytonstation
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Fed zero slams since Uniqlo switch. Meanwhile Djoker has 4 slams since leaving. Kei? Zero with Uniqlo.
Not liking the trend...
Not liking the trend...
Im(moral) Winner
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The thing is it can't be debatable since their career situations are different. Novak has the youth advantage in the h2h and hasn't had to deal with any younger ATGs or even a half of ATG.
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Will Fed recover from this loss against Djokovic? I watched the highlights of a few GS SF/F matches from 2006-11 over the past few days including the press conference after the 2008 Wimbledon final and he looked to be absolutely shattered.
Yes, it was a missed opportunity against Novak but he seemed to be relatively relaxed after the final (don't think it was much of a facade).
You can tell how much that win against Nadal in the SF meant to him.
Yes, it was a missed opportunity against Novak but he seemed to be relatively relaxed after the final (don't think it was much of a facade).
You can tell how much that win against Nadal in the SF meant to him.
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