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like Wawrinka did on his 1st grand final
i'm fan of Ferrer and Tsonga but that make them look bad
i'm fan of Ferrer and Tsonga but that make them look bad
Tsonga also did the dirty job of taking out Federer for Ferrer.Ferrer made it to the FO final, but had to play Nadal there. Whoopsie.
In all seriousness, I'm happy Nishikori and Cilic have made the final (especially Cilic, all his work with Goran has paid off). I'm hoping Cilic wins.
like Wawrinka did on his 1st grand final
i'm fan of Ferrer and Tsonga but that make them look bad
I thought of this. I'm happy some new guys get a chance to win a slam, but there are people who are more deserving than these two.
Would have been awesome to see Ferrer be rewarded for his years of hard work.
I thought of this. I'm happy some new guys get a chance to win a slam, but there are people who are more deserving than these two.
Would have been awesome to see Ferrer be rewarded for his years of hard work.
like Wawrinka did on his 1st grand final
i'm fan of Ferrer and Tsonga but that make them look bad
NO. I wholeheartedly disagree. Djokovic played badly, and Federer- even worse. Cilic and Nishi DESERVE to be in the final, with how badly both Fed and Djoker played. As big a Fed fan as I am, if he can't beat Cilic, then he doesn't deserve the title. He almost lost to Monfils in 4 for Christ's sake. He didn't deserve it, neither did Djokovic (although he deserved it more than Fed because of his draw imo).
What makes them more deserving. Nishikori and even Cilic are still young and getting better. Berdych, Ferrer, and Tsonga all peaked years ago, although they have roughly stayed at their peak for awhile now, and it clearly isn't good enough to win a major for any of them.
Ferrer shouldn't get a slam just because he works hard. Nishikori is like a better hitting and mentally tougher version of Ferrer. Cilic has way more weaponary in his game than Ferrer ever had.
like Wawrinka did on his 1st grand final
i'm fan of Ferrer and Tsonga but that make them look bad
Ferrer made it to the FO final, but had to play Nadal there. Whoopsie.
Like Ferer, Berdych came up against the same problem (at 2010 Wimbledon). Maybe if he can persuade his country's greatest male tennis star to help him out like he did Murray, his fortunes might change. But he'd better get a move on!
Tsonga did have more of a fighting chance against Djokovic when he played his only Slam final at 2008 AO as neither had won a Slam at that point. But he fell short! However, he did rouse himself to win another Masters title this summer. Maybe if he can rouse himself just a little bit more, he can do a Stan Wawrinka at next year's AO?
I know these guys earned their spots and they are deserving in that way. However, neither have been consistently top players. They've been solid but not elite top 20 players and now, suddenly, one will be a grand slam champion.
Meanwhile, other guys have been staples in the top 10 and have only failed to win grand slams because someone in the top 4 stopped them.
Just personal preference, but I would have liked to have seen one of those guys finally get a slam rather than one of these two getting one out of the blue.
Nadal is not unbeatable at Wimbledon, like Roland Garros. Good grief he has a losing record in Wimbledon finals (2-3), and we all know his string of embarrassing early losses in his prime/near prime there. The best things you can say is his semifinal and quarterfinal records there are superb (5-0 in both), and he both battled hard and beat peak/near peak Federer there. Still Berdych didn't fall easily since he facing an unstoppable force like he would have been at RG, but because he simply isn't good enough and not a slam caliber player.
Tsonga's moment to win a slam was 2008 Australia for sure. He blew that one a bit, and he will never have a chance like that again largely due to his inconsistency, despite that his peak playing level is way higher than Berdych.
Ferrer most of all simply isn't good enough. Really consistent, but not the playing level needed for a slam in this era. On hard courts he cant compete with Federer or Djokoic, and on clay he cant compete with Nadal or a prime Djokovic.
Nishikori and Cilic should stay in the top 10 for awhile now, barring injuries. Both are a lot younger than the players you mentioned (3 or 4 years younger than Berdych and Tsonga, and many years younger than Ferrer), and those guys didn't even start to be top 10 regulars until their mid 20s as well.
I look at Berdych getting ***** and bullied off the court at his own power game the last 2 slams by Cilic, and think why on earth would Cilic be a less worthy slam winner than Berdych. Also thinking of Berdych losing something like 24 of his last 25 matches vs Nadal/Djokovic, and that is not a slam caliber player.
Ferrer could win a slam in some other eras, he is kind of a poor mans Chang or poor mans Hewitt when they were at their best, but in this era he is simply not great enough to ever win one.
Tsonga of those three is the only on who really has a game to win a slam. However his terrible consistency and headcaseness prevent it from happening, and seemingly were always likely to prevenet it.
I think Cilic and Nishikori at their best have more game, and have more potential moving forward, than Berdych and Ferrer easily. I don't think just because you stay in the top 10 a long time means you deserve a slam, or it I a shame you don't win one. In my best players to not win a slam poll on the Former Pro section the names of Berdych, Ferrer, and Tsonga never came up, amongst the 15 or so others that did.
like Wawrinka did on his 1st grand final
i'm fan of Ferrer and Tsonga but that make them look bad
You're just saying this because those two happen to be in a slam final right now.
Would you have REALLY said Nishikori and Cilic had more game than Berdych and Ferrer before this tournament? No.
Hell yeah. Watching Cilic and Berdych play at Wimbledon, and watching Nishikori and Raonic's rise up this year, I would have already said those guys had more game than the never more than generic 'good' Berdych and Ferrer, before this tournament.
What makes Berdych better than Cilic for instance? Berdych is absolutely nothing but a power player, and Cilic hits every shot better and with more power than he can. So that leaves Berdych superior at what? He is better looking, but that is it. Watch their matches at Wimbledon and the U.S Open this year and say without laughing Berdych has more game, lol!
Nishikori is like a Ferrer with more weapons and stronger mentality. He is atleast as fast and good defensively (if not better), returns just as well, and uses and redirects his opponents pace as well. He doesn't get tight on big points the way Ferrer does, and hits the ball harder. So again what is Ferrer's edge, other than experience.
Back in 2010, Nadal was at the height of his prowess at Wimbledon. He had been in 4 of the last 5 finals (he missed 2009 because of his injury) and had been the only guy ever to beat Federer in a final there. Berdych had taken out both Djokovic and Federer but came up against an insurmountable force that year just like everyone else did everywhere else (Nadal went on to win USO as well). Nadal's sharp decline on grass did not come until 2 years later.
If it had been anyone else in the final that year (maybe even Federer), I think Berdych might have stood a better chance.
Yes, consistency and lack of focus have always been his greatest weaknesses but I was impressed by his run to the Toronto title this summer (taking out Murray, Djokovic and Federer, all former multiple titlists there, back to back). It gave me hope that he could still put a good run together and if he could just up the ante slightly, he might conceivably be able to do a repeat of his 2008 run at next year's AO.
I agree with this. His best chance is on clay and so that means RG but there are at least 3 players he can never get past there ie. Nadal, Federer and Djokovic. If he could somehow dodge all 3 or at least 2 with the other having a really bad day, he might have a chance. But, at this stage, age is rapidly catching up with him. I think the window of opportunity s fast shutting for him if it hasn't already.
What makes them more deserving. Nishikori and even Cilic are still young and getting better. Berdych, Ferrer, and Tsonga all peaked years ago, although they have roughly stayed at their peak for awhile now, and it clearly isn't good enough to win a major for any of them.
Ferrer shouldn't get a slam just because he works hard. Nishikori is like a better hitting and mentally tougher version of Ferrer. Cilic has way more weaponary in his game than Ferrer ever had.
Hell yeah. Watching Cilic and Berdych play at Wimbledon, and watching Nishikori and Raonic's rise up this year, I would have already said those guys had more game than the never more than generic 'good' Berdych and Ferrer, before this tournament.
What makes Berdych better than Cilic for instance? Berdych is absolutely nothing but a power player, and Cilic hits every shot better and with more power than he can. So that leaves Berdych superior at what? He is better looking, but that is it. Watch their matches at Wimbledon and the U.S Open this year and say without laughing Berdych has more game, lol!
You're obviously jumping on the bandwagon here. Berdych has outperformed Cilic every year, has a winning H2H against him, and has over double the career prize money.
Nishikori is like a Ferrer with more weapons and stronger mentality. He is atleast as fast and good defensively (if not better), returns just as well, and uses and redirects his opponents pace as well. He doesn't get tight on big points the way Ferrer does, and hits the ball harder. So again what is Ferrer's edge, other than experience.