Genesis Black Magic Receives 5th Highest rating ever by RSI

[drakulie]

Black Magic receives 5th highest rating ever of ALL strings ever playtested by the RSI.

This includes ALL strings, not just poly. (multi, poly, and natural guts, etc.)

• In spin, it received 4th highest rating ever,
• Resistance to movement- 9th.
• Durability-10th.
• Control-19th

"Scored well above average in playability, power, and tension retention"

4 top 20 scores, 3 being top ten.


If you want a great string, that in my opinion is UNDERPRICED when compared to other poly's and/or other strings it clearly outperforms, give it a try.

Link to review:

http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/issues/201108/index.html

 

[pvaudio]

I will give it this: it's a great value and is underrated, however, it's nowhere near a top 5 poly, let alone string overall.

 

[drakulie]

^^^well, that is the score it received.

Of course, people opinions will differ from that of the review and the blind playtesters.

IMO, it is the best poly I have used and I would absolutely put it in the top of all the poly strings I have playtetsed over the years.

That said, I would agree it is hard to cross-compare in terms of a rating. That is, compared to a multi, natural gut, etc.

 

[IwishIwasbetter]

how does it compare to cyclone

 

[mikeler]

^^^well, that is the score it received.

Of course, people opinions will differ from that of the review and the blind playtesters.

IMO, it is the best poly I have used and I would absolutely put it in the top of all the poly strings I have playtetsed over the years.

That said, I would agree it is hard to cross-compare in terms of a rating. That is, compared to a multi, natural gut, etc.

Do you typically use it in a full bed or hybrid?

 

[gflyer]

+1 from me on the RSI review.
BM is one great string.

 

[Rabbit]

I need to join the USRSA.

That said, based on Drakulie's glowing comments on this string, I bought a reel, not a set. :smile: I can say that it is a very comfortable poly, I also agree that spin was not as good as say with Luxilon Ace or some other polys, but that is only part of the equation. Black Magic played really soft and smooth, had much better power than TF Black Code or RPM Blast or even Lux Ace, and was/is an overall better string than either Black Code or RPM Blast.

Overall, it's a great value and I look forward to using it in the future once I use up some of the other string I have. I think it'd be great in a hybrid with NRG at a little higher tension. I gave 40' to a friend of mine to string and he loves it as well. If you're considering TF Black Code or RPM Blast, this string is a no-brainer better option.

 

[CDestroyer]

Genesis Cheerleaders

Genesis products are overhyped and overpriced. Cheerleaders on this site swear by the strings but only do this to receive free gifts and strings from them. TW doesn't think that Genesis and Pro Supex is an honest above board company which is why they refuse to sell they crappy cloned strings.

 

[mikeler]

Genesis products are overhyped and overpriced. Cheerleaders on this site swear by the strings but only do this to receive free gifts and strings from them. TW doesn't think that Genesis and Pro Supex is an honest above board company which is why they refuse to sell they crappy cloned strings.

Can you point us to a link where TW has stated this?

 

[drakulie]

Do you typically use it in a full bed or hybrid?

I use it in a full bed. Even in the ps85 I just reviewed. Felt great and magnified the great feel of the 85

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkOpbDAq2gU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[bad_call]

I will give it this: it's a great value and is underrated, however, it's nowhere near a top 5 poly, let alone string overall.

RSI lab tests not the same as actual play tests...been discussed before.

 

[blackfrido]

don't like BM at all. I tried it in different frames, different tension and never found anything interesting but good tension maintenance.
How personal is the selection of a string, right?

 

[drakulie]

Cdestroyer, ,,,,,,,,,boo-hoo.


Rabbit, +1 on everything you stated. Thanks for sharing your assessment.

 

[pvaudio]

Genesis products are overhyped and overpriced. Cheerleaders on this site swear by the strings but only do this to receive free gifts and strings from them. TW doesn't think that Genesis and Pro Supex is an honest above board company which is why they refuse to sell they crappy cloned strings.

Not only has TW never said this, they are about as far from overpriced as you can get. I have many of their strings, Black Magic included, and it's a great string. Top 5, no, I don't agree with that, but I myself am biased already so that doesn't mean anything.

 

[CDestroyer]

Can you point us to a link where TW has stated this?

Go ahead and play dumb.

 

[purple-n-gold]

+2 trying BM in my Babolat at 55lbs and have been happy with it so far, very comfortable and does everything well. It's not as crispy and stiff as the Lux I'm used to but is nice for a change, and for $85 a steal.

+1 agree with Rabbit as well 'bout being better than BC & RPM, no brainer..

 

[Power Player]

Go ahead and play dumb.

Dude you have to provide some kind of evidence to all your claims or you just look like you have your own agenda.

A lot of us genuinely like and pay for Genesis strings.

It is as simple as that.

Provide some kind of evidence as to why you are so Anti Genesis.

I'm personally open minded and will read anyone's point of view.

 

[gflyer]

Genesis products are overhyped and overpriced. Cheerleaders on this site swear by the strings but only do this to receive free gifts and strings from them. TW doesn't think that Genesis and Pro Supex is an honest above board company which is why they refuse to sell they crappy cloned strings.

You should not generalize.
I bought BM form a friend of mine who is a stinger and had half reel left.
Didn't get any for free from anybody.
I tried and I liked it. Period.
I am not sure if they are cloned. but they play well for me.
You are free to dislike them, but do not blame people of giving biased opinions.
Thank you.

 

[mikeler]

Go ahead and play dumb.

This coming from someone with a Beavis and Butthead avatar. Still waiting on that link.

 

[CDestroyer]

Dude you have to provide some kind of evidence to all your claims or you just look like you have your own agenda.

A lot of us genuinely like and pay for Genesis strings.

It is as simple as that.

Provide some kind of evidence as to why you are so Anti Genesis.

I'm personally open minded and will read anyone's point of view.

Dude, you have already acknowledged that Genesis/Pro Supex are CROOKS and engage in unfair marketing/business practices. I guess the Ukrananian called to threaten/remind you of your agreement.

 

[Power Player]

Dude, you have already acknowledged that Genesis/Pro Supex are CROOKS and engage in unfair marketing/business practices. I guess the Ukrananian called to threaten/remind you of your agreement.

I never once did that.

I said that there are Genesis shills on here as well as shills for about every string. That's pretty obvious to anyone with 2 sets of eyes and has never been a big deal.

Never once said what you are implying..ever. Prove it with a quote of mine please.

The fact that you are insinuating I have an agreement with anyone is just making you look stupid. How old are you? You are overreacting like crazy.

I await your quote or apology.

 

[bad_call]

^ slight derailment eh? haha

in agreement with PP...yes there are shills out there that have a "relationship" with string companies and some of us know who they are. :lol:

so before buying a reel based on a "favorable" opinion suggest one does some homework.

 

[Power Player]

Yep, and I think we know RSI is not in that category as well. All Drakulie did was link to an independent reviewer who is highly respected in the stringing business.

CDestroyer can't handle that and still is attacking people instead of just manning up and admitting that a lot of people like Black Magic and it is not a "crappy cloned string".

 

[bad_call]

Yep, and I think we know RSI is not in that category as well. All Drakulie did was link to an independent reviewer who is highly respected in the stringing business.

CDestroyer can't handle that and still is attacking people instead of just manning up and admitting that a lot of people like Black Magic and it is not a "crappy cloned string".

not to poo poo RSI but i don't use their data as a source when trying/testing strings.

 

[Power Player]

Well my point was simply that they are a legit 3rd party.

I can't really go by data either..need to try it myself.

 

[drakulie]

not to poo poo RSI but i don't use their data as a source when trying/testing strings.

Agreed about RSI. For example, I don't particularly care for the manner in which they test tension lost. But still it is better than "shooting darts in the dark". To add, ad PP pointed out, they are very well respected in the field and have brought "string science" to a whole new level. couple that with the fact the scores are based on blind playtests, and this momo has no legs to stand on.

Lastly, I would love to see links to the doo-doo he is spouting. My money is on never seeing them, as they surely don't exist.

 

[Radicalized]

Power Player, et al.:

You are in a debate with the "Beavis and BUTTHEAD" of the TT forum.

I'm not a major "string tester," but the PS and Genesis strings I've played have been at least adequate in play, and certainly, fairly priced. And I live nowhere near FL.

 

[JT_2eighty]

IIRC, RSI blind tests gave decent reviews to Typhoon also, so Genesis seems to be a great brand, with plenty of evidence in opposition to bevis and butthead's detective work.

I can say from experience that Genesis gut is great stuff, I was very impressed and I have never received free strings.

 

[CDestroyer]

Yep, and I think we know RSI is not in that category as well. All Drakulie did was link to an independent reviewer who is highly respected in the stringing business.

CDestroyer can't handle that and still is attacking people instead of just manning up and admitting that a lot of people like Black Magic and it is not a "crappy cloned string".

I am glad that people genuinely enjoy the BM, Typhoon and all the other Genesis strings. I am just pointing out what is going on and Big10 can vouch for the companies underhandedness.

Thanks.

 

[mikeler]

My problem with the RSI reviews is every string seems to be above average. This is impossible!

If I'm such a shill for the "Ukranian", please explain why this thread I created rates PRO SUPEX Maxim Touch number 20 and why I rated Genesis Xplosion number 22 out of 24 multis I tested. Probably not the best way to promote their strings you think?

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=352048

 

[Radicalized]

I am glad that people genuinely enjoy the BM, Typhoon and all the other Genesis strings. I am just pointing out what is going on and Big10 can vouch for the companies underhandedness.

Thanks.

Even if you could show us all of this, what you were doing originally was calling it "overhyped" and "overpriced." If you want to go there, maybe you should aim at something like Prince Beast XP or Babolat RPM Blast. At least then you're hitting the $15-$18 range with marketing in your face, right or wrong regarding playability.

 

[bad_call]

My problem with the RSI reviews is every string seems to be above average. This is impossible!

If I'm such a shill for the "Ukranian", please explain why this thread I created rates PRO SUPEX Maxim Touch number 20 and why I rated Genesis Xplosion number 22 out of 24 multis I tested. Probably not the best way to promote their strings you think?

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=352048

me thinks their testing isn't as critical as yours, mine or even pvaudio.

 

[Deleted member 120290]

RSI, stringforum.net, TW TT all are good bases for string info. However the type of string, racket, playing style and level, court surface and conditions should be taken into account. For example if I have a high powered racket, I swing very hard and play on fast hardcourts, I don't want a soft, pocketing string no matter how much RSI, stringforum, TT rave about it.

To me, RSI does a lot of good quantative, detective work on the strings but to rank polys, guts and multis together in one poll is useless and meaningless. They need to rank 1. gut 2. power multi 3. control multi 4. nylon 5. soft poly and 6. control poly in separate categories.

 

[mikeler]

RSI, stringforum.net, TW TT all are good bases for string info. However the type of string, racket, playing style and level, court surface and conditions should be taken into account. For example if I have a high powered racket, I swing very hard and play on fast hardcourts, I don't want a soft, pocketing string no matter how much RSI, stringforum, TT rave about it.

To me, RSI does a lot of good quantative, detective work on the strings but to rank polys, guts and multis together in one poll is useless and meaningless. They need to rank 1. gut 2. power multi 3. control multi 4. nylon 5. soft poly and 6. control poly in separate categories.

That would certainly be helpful but I wonder if the reviewers are afraid that making too many negative comments may disqualify them from future playtests.

 

[masterxfob]

you either like or you don't...

personally, i loved GBM. i also recently tried PS BAM and fell in love with that. i guess i'm a shill... lol.

 

[2Hare]

hey guys, I was wondering how this string compared to BHBR and strings from weisscannon? which one of them you think is highest in power and stiffest? thanks!

 

[bryanalban]

Please .... it's "Ukrainian".

BTW, what's the reference to "the Ukrainian" about anyway? Is Genesis string made in Ukraine?

 

[drakulie]

I am just pointing out what is going on and Big10 can vouch for the companies underhandedness.

Who is Big10?? The underhadedness police?

Also, is he/she a fan of the BM?? Cause this is what the thread is about if you didn't notice...... fact that it was rated top 5 all time by RSI (independent 3rd party).

Anyway, look forward to those links.

 

[BobFL]

BM is ok but I simply cannot believe that RSI awarded BHBR as the best poly?! After that and a few other critical flaws in their testing methods they just lost credibility in my eyes...

 

[HiroProtagonist]

I am personally in love with SPPP for its soft feel and pocketing even at mid ten. as well as the ten. maintenance.

Would any of you fine gentlemen care to give me a head to head review of BM and SPPP? I would greatly appreciate it.

Oh and I usually hybrid with OGSM in the cross but like SPPP in full bed as well and will prob. hybrid the BM if I decide to try it.

I just tried Cyclone 17g in full bed and felt like it went dead very quickly contrary to popular reports.

tia

 

[drakulie]

BM is ok but I simply cannot believe that RSI awarded BHBR as the best poly?! After that and a few other critical flaws in their testing methods they just lost credibility in my eyes...

It's based on the the playtesters rating in addition to lab testing.

I've never hit with the tourna big hitter but am anxious to try it out.

 

[BobFL]

It's based on the the playtesters rating in addition to lab testing.

I've never hit with the tourna big hitter but am anxious to try it out.

Please do try it and report back. I would really like to hear your opinion for obvious reasons In the meantime, one of the loling fbacks for you

“Power is excellent and control is outstanding. After 30 hours it still feels fresh. Heavy hitters will love the controllable power, spin, and durability.”

I do apologize for this friendly hijack

 

[drakulie]

^^^will do, Bob.


Wow, 30 hours?? Fresh??? :shock: I'm intrigued. Have you tried it yet???

 

[tlm]

Please do try it and report back. I would really like to hear your opinion for obvious reasons In the meantime, one of the loling fbacks for you

“Power is excellent and control is outstanding. After 30 hours it still feels fresh. Heavy hitters will love the controllable power, spin, and durability.”

I do apologize for this friendly hijack

There is no string in the world that still feels fresh after 30 hours, so i have to agree these rating sound like a lot of BS.

 

[Fedace]

Black Magic receives 5th highest rating ever of ALL strings ever playtested by the RSI.

This includes ALL strings, not just poly. (multi, poly, and natural guts, etc.)

• In spin, it received 4th highest rating ever,
• Resistance to movement- 9th.
• Durability-10th.
• Control-19th

"Scored well above average in playability, power, and tension retention"

4 top 20 scores, 3 being top ten.


If you want a great string, that in my opinion is UNDERPRICED when compared to other poly's and/or other strings it clearly outperforms, give it a try.

Link to review:

http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/issues/201108/index.html

Where is power ? also does BM have better spin than Kirschbaum Proline 2 ?

 

[BobFL]

^^^will do, Bob.


Wow, 30 hours?? Fresh??? :shock: I'm intrigued. Have you tried it yet???

I was being sarcastic. Sorry if it wasn't obvious.

For me BHBR was 'good' for 3 hours and those 3 hours were the worst poly-experience in my life. It felt plastiky and cheap and it vibrated a lot.

 

[drakulie]

^^LOL.

I know you were being sarcastic,,,, so was I.

 

[BobFL]

Loooooooooool and I was being stupid as well

 

[pvaudio]

Hey drak, what's your current racquet setup?

 

[2Hare]

BM is ok but I simply cannot believe that RSI awarded BHBR as the best poly?! After that and a few other critical flaws in their testing methods they just lost credibility in my eyes...

I see, what cheap polys do you think are good then?