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If you've been stringing long enough, you know this exact moment in the string job... that little sigh you take before it's go time to start weaving poly crosses...after your 12th frame of the day... 
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Irvin
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Herb
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If you've been stringing long enough, you know this exact moment in the string job... that little sigh you take before it's go time to start weaving poly crosses...after your 12th frame of the day...
Been there many times.
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Irvin
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He plays with 2 rackets and strings both at least 1x a month at 52# and never breaks a string.Must be a big hitter! My arm hurts just thinking about that board
1HBHfanatic
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-most racquets ive strung in a 1 day is 22x
-im used to 10x rakets a day, no problem, ive gotten used to it
-i cant even imagine what stringing 40x racquets a day, for a whole week (5-7 days) would do to my hands?!
-im used to 10x rakets a day, no problem, ive gotten used to it
-i cant even imagine what stringing 40x racquets a day, for a whole week (5-7 days) would do to my hands?!
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-most racquets ive strung in a 1 day is 22x
-im used to 10x rakets a day, no problem, ive gotten used to it
-i cant even imagine what stringing 40x racquets a day, for a whole week (5-7 days) would do to my hands?!
I've had stringer friends band aid their fingers like Nadal when the local tournament rolled into town...
1HBHfanatic
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-yeah i dont doubt it at all
-i know i would!!
-i've see some videos of r.parnell all wrapped up for such events
-i have more hand calluses from stringing than from playing tennis
-"hand care (at the majors)" is provably something the pro-stringers take seriously
Steve Huff
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I used to do 10/day when high school season started, but I don't think my back would take it any more.
Irvin
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VCORE 100 Microfibre-X 1.34 mm mains / Quadro Twist 1.26 mm crosses. For a shaped poly QT is very easy to weave.
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jackstraw1975
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Dunlop CX 200 Tour
Volkl Cyclone @ 50 lbs
First time doing full poly mains and crosses. Fingertips are a tad sore.
Volkl Cyclone @ 50 lbs
First time doing full poly mains and crosses. Fingertips are a tad sore.
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I too string in my garage. Love when it's a nice day and can open the door....and the beer fridge is in there.
The stringing of the poly...you learn to tolerate it but it ain't smooth sailing.
Turn the radio up!
The stringing of the poly...you learn to tolerate it but it ain't smooth sailing.
Turn the radio up!
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Never understood putting shaped strings in the crosses. Makes no sense to me, spin is created with the mains and the
shaped crosses will only cut through the mains quicker.
Irvin
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Can we assume you are NOT familar with YTEX QT, and Roger Federer has no idea of what he’s doing?
Do your customers change racquets every ball change??
Do you string for Federer? No, you don't. Does he use YTEX QT as a cross? No, he doesn't.
I know it's a shaped poly, and i also know that spin is created primarily with the mains (basic common knowledge).
Using federer as an example, or ANY PRO that changes racquets every ball change, is an asinine comparison
to any of your customers AT BEST!
Do you even play tennis? I DO!!
My point stands, yet you offer zero evidence to the contrary.
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Irvin
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Now I know for sure you have no knowledge of QT and limited knowledge of spin. Exactly what I’d expect from some with a limited physics background.
Incorrect. Like I said, I actually PLAY tennis. Spin is primarily a function of mains. Fact.
But please elaborate more about Roger Federer's setup and how it relates to your customer. (Hint: It doesn't)
Any shaped poly cross will cut through a main much quicker than a round poly. Facts
are hard to deal with for some. That was my initial point, but you've yet to address that FACT,
instead avoiding it ALTOGETHER with some nonsense about Federer who uses none of the strings
you mentioned AND only uses a racquet for a handful of games........so he doesn't break strings.
I see that you don't use load spreaders.
I use them on most all racquets now. Probably don't have to, but they do spread the forces over an area, so no harm using them.
Rabbit
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It was my understanding that Federer like ALU Rough not because of any spin but because it’s softer than regular ALU. Maybe @uk_skippy can fill us in.
@Irvin you have a degree or advanced degree is physics?
@Irvin you have a degree or advanced degree is physics?
uk_skippy
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I cant confirm that, but it is seen that ALU Rough is softer than ALU Power. How he got onto using a poly in the crosses; I don't know. I suspect that he moved to a gut/poly hybrid since he liked the feel of the gut; so by keeping it in the mains he retains most of that feel.
Irvin
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I don’t know why Federer uses poly in the crosses either but I do think poly crosses hybrids provide for a much softer feel.
I mentioned I use a multi / poly hybrid and @struggle jumped all over it because he looks to find something wrong with every post I make. This time I guess he assumed I did it for spin. No one in this thread said anything about spin until struggle did. The he said it makes no sense (EDIT: putting a textured string in crosses) so I mentioned Federer did.
The OP mentioned he had some issues weaving poly after the 12th frame in a day. So I mentioned a poly that was easy to weave.
BTW I also don’t think spin is created primarily by the mains. Racket speed, technique, and the string pattern are much more important than the string you put in the mains and crosses. You’re not going to develop spin over night putting a magic string in your racket. Now can we get the thread back on track?
EDIT: In the Compare Strings Tool app both ALU Power and ALU Power Rough have the same 209 stiffness rating. But ALU Power Rough has better energy return, tension maintenance, and spin potential.
I mentioned I use a multi / poly hybrid and @struggle jumped all over it because he looks to find something wrong with every post I make. This time I guess he assumed I did it for spin. No one in this thread said anything about spin until struggle did. The he said it makes no sense (EDIT: putting a textured string in crosses) so I mentioned Federer did.
The OP mentioned he had some issues weaving poly after the 12th frame in a day. So I mentioned a poly that was easy to weave.
BTW I also don’t think spin is created primarily by the mains. Racket speed, technique, and the string pattern are much more important than the string you put in the mains and crosses. You’re not going to develop spin over night putting a magic string in your racket. Now can we get the thread back on track?
EDIT: In the Compare Strings Tool app both ALU Power and ALU Power Rough have the same 209 stiffness rating. But ALU Power Rough has better energy return, tension maintenance, and spin potential.
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uk_skippy
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He doesn't. He uses ALU rough in the crosses; with Wilson (babolat) gut in the mains
What makes no sense is comparing feds setup to that of a rec player. I stated that the shaped cross (a string made for spin production, duh) will saw through the main quicker while not adding spin as that is primarily aided by the mains. All facts which couldn’t be refuted. Also a fact.
There’s a reason people respond to your NUMEROUS posts negatively. It’s often because they (your posts) are oblivious and repetitive to those who posted previously. Another fact. PAY ATTENTION!!
Cheers, we’ll take this up again soon. You will command it.
now, off to the courts!!
There’s a reason people respond to your NUMEROUS posts negatively. It’s often because they (your posts) are oblivious and repetitive to those who posted previously. Another fact. PAY ATTENTION!!
Cheers, we’ll take this up again soon. You will command it.
now, off to the courts!!
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so @struggle seems to think he knows what he’s talking about but still doesn’t understand the difference between shaped and rough/textured strings. Yes, shaped will saw through the mains but rough/textured not so much. Have you tried it? Probably not, so how can you attest to it? Gotta love the people that give their opinions about something they have zero first hand experience of. In my experience, rough/textured strings wear smooth after just the first few hours so it starts playing like a round poly. I believe the little dimpled pattern in ALU rough allows it to play slightly softer with more elasticity but at the cost of durability/tension maintenance.
Shaped crosses enable the main strings to move more freely and thus produce more spin. That's what Roger wants to achieve and of course he does not care about the durability issues.
Irvin
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Also all shaped strings are not equal. Some have sharp edges and others don't. ALU Power Rough and Quadro Twist do not have sharp edges. Quadro Twist has a much smoother texture than ALUPR which makes weaving easier.
That string is like stringing with a wire.
I string this as a cross with vs mains on one customer about 4 racquets a month. Not an easy string to weave.
LOBALOT
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I was going to post that but figured someone would. Thanks!
LOBALOT
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I have been stringing ALU Rough a lot as a cross to gut lately too. A friend of mine is a decent player and can afford it so that is what he uses.
I really enjoyed watching that video/interview of Fed's stringer that I think Irvin posted and have noticed how he is careful to weave the poly cross through the gut toward the bottom of the hoop so any wear is there instead of higher up in the hoop. I have been try to learn from that and do the same.
lwto
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You know... you missed a cross..
lwto
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I sure hope that's not cat gut...
Irvin
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Just in case you are interesting here is my method for weaving ALU Rough through natural VS gut
Irvin
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You can also push weave although it get harder near the bottom. Also when push weaving you have a loop of string between the frame and your mains or else you pushing a string and also overcoming the friction of the grommet. Even when you do a needle and thread there is a loop of string between the mains and the frame. That loop can cause a kink and a kink in your poly can cause more wear on the gut string.
I do that as well, because it helps keep the cross string a little straighter as it is being tensioned, so minimal straightening while being tensioned .
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