Has Djokovic had a negative affect on the aesthetics of tennis?

Lots of younger players try to copy Djokvoic's style now. They model their game after him. A lot of people praise this because he is such a solid pro with no holes in his game. But is it good for the beauty and aesthetics of the future of the sport? IDK about you, but I don't want to watch a bunch of Djokovic clones out there just seeing who will break down first.

I have noticed worrying trends in pro, college and junior tennis. Game styles have less variety now, more structured and technically sound yet boring groundstrokes. Think about it.

It's the same in modern day soccer/football. The artistry in the game has been choked out for more athletic tactical clone players and it has hurt the watchability of the sport. It's widely talked about in Euro football circles.

I pray tennis does not go the same route before it's too late.
 

Indeedy71

New User
As should be obvious from my photo, I cannot emphasise enough how tennis players aren't there to look nice, they're there to win. Aesthetics are at best a bonus. If you're watching a competitive sport only for the way it looks to the point that you would post this, I both pity you and also hope more than ever that what you've described actually happens because this sport deserves better than having fans that watch it that way.
 
Except Medvedev would absolutely not fit into this discussion because he has a very unique game which different aesthetics on his shots and is a clear tactical thinker. I am talking about the cookie cutter looking players.
 

Indeedy71

New User
Except Medvedev would absolutely not fit into this discussion because he has a very unique game which different aesthetics on his shots and is a clear tactical thinker. I am talking about the cookie cutter looking players.
You're talking about artistry, beauty and aesthetics. I obviously agree Medvedev fits into that category (haha). I stand by my comment because I just don't think it's an issue.

Cookie-cutter? Sure, that might be an issue if it's not effective - but not because of any considerations of it being aesthetically pleasing.
 

soldat

Rookie
First I think Djokovic has had a positive effect on the aesthetics of tennis. Open stance sliding backhand? Jumping forehand smash?
It’s great that young players seek to emulate him, seems like the more they do the more they will win.

And second I agree that players are there to win. I’d rather having the winning shot than any other shot, no matter how it looks.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
Is this one of those “kids these days have no respect for their elders” type of threads?
 

Wurm

Professional
As should be obvious from my photo, I cannot emphasise enough how tennis players aren't there to look nice, they're there to win.

For their own sakes, yes, but they're there to entertain us. How people derive that entertainment varies... for some it's literally just hitching their wagon to a player they like and that player winning is all they need.

Aesthetically speaking I like Novak's game, these days (his serve was not always nice to look at and his forehand is a bit tidier than it was early on), but I find Novak boring to watch when he's just suffocating someone he doesn't need to get out of 2nd gear to beat and winning without a hint of flair, just squeezing them into making errors by overhitting. I love watching Novak when he's being put under real pressure, though.

I'll take players copying Novak over Rafa's butt ugly game.

Also, I don't think tennis is ever going to go the way of golf where almost everyone in the post-Tiger era has a generic looking swing.
 

ByakuFubuki

Semi-Pro
I don't know why I'm even bothering with this, but here goes nothing I guess.

First of all, aesthetics is subjective, so the title and premise of the thread make no sense to me, as much as I share your distaste for mirror matches (unless it's a mirror between two players who base their own style on variety over consistency, which is pretty much what is missing).

Second, you can't accuse the kids of "imitating Djokovic". Nowadays it is not realistic to think someone old enough to develop a taste will turn on the TV, see one player or the other at work, say "I want to be like that when I grow up!" and actually make it to professional tennis. It's not like there is no example against this (though the only relatively recent one that comes to my mind is Estrella-Burgos); but when the vast majority of would-be pros start playing, they're a white canvas for the coach to paint on, no matter how much they say "Player X inspired me when I was little" once they start getting interviewed. And even though I disagree with the approach (in my personal opinion, it is better to develop a style that disrupts that of the majority than just copy the tried-and-true and hope your disciple simply ends up better than thousands of others at doing the same things), I cannot blame the majority of coaches for walking the path of less resistance, since the alternative I proposed also has several flaws that carry much greater risk for their career than simply developing players who look like 90% of their opponents and happen to not be the best among them.

Third, to accuse Djokovic of "ruining the aesthetics (or anything) of tennis" because of his playing style, said playing style should be original; and with all due respect, that is simply not the case. Leaving alone the fact that his playing style is a polished version of Agassi's, which in turn is a polished version of Connors', which in turn was already played by the vast majority of female professionals when he was a kid, the majority of male players already had that style or something close to it in 2011 when Djokovic exploded and first got to #1, and it was already very common in 2008 when he won his first slam as well. If Djokovic didn't exist, someone else would just have taken his place and at best (or worst, depending on one's point of view), the whole conversation would be shifted by a few years, and that is only in the assumption that neither Murray nor anyone else would be able to step up and interfere with the Nadal-Federer duopoly.

Long story short, there is always going to be one way of doing things that gets overall better results, and with that being the case, the choice is to either imitate and/or try to improve upon that way, or to try and develop a counter. The first approach leads to many people looking like they're copying each other, the second requires a lot of trial-and-error before finding success and as such, even in the unlikely scenario where 50% of the coaches opt for said approach when teaching to little kids, there will always be a minority of "different" players until someone makes success in a consistent and convincing enough way to set the new status quo, leading to a reset of the "everyone does it that way" situation after a transational period where we can observe some variety, as was the case for tennis in the 90s and early 2000s.
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
I’m sure you would have quite a few young guys copying Novak’s style and before that some would have also tried to copy Roger’s style such as Grigor D. Probably Rafa is perhaps a little harder to copy because of his extreme forehand grip.
I do think rallies are going longer and consistency and speed is becoming more noticeable.
I think what I noticed at this years AO is the young guys trying to use their faster court speed to make the older guys look slow by hitting earlier, a little flatter and just trying to physically pressurise the other guy into fatigue.
Despite all this I would add that the aesthetic of tennis has been influenced by:
1. The move away from faster lower bouncing courts to more slower higher bouncing courts
2. Polyester strings and larger, wider more powerful racquets
3. Bio mechanical analysis and enhancement
It would be interesting to see what tennis would be like if we went back to fast grass courts and the players had to use 85 sq inch wood/ graphite composites in natural gut.
 
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pdparos78

New User
Have been his fan since his playing day, I wish Djokovic was half as authentic and entertaining as Jimmy. Djokovic tries hard and it becomes cringe.
The only impressive parts of Djokovic's game are his mental strength, consistency and superier athleticism, however I do find him boring to watch. He tries to come across as authentic, but then he mocks him opponents, acts childish towards crowds and breaks rackets. He lacks a certain something, maybe it's the awkward way he moves, there's no flair or flow. It's an effective clunkiness. It's easy to mark him as your favourite because of his goat status and all the records he holds however i'd rather watch the likes of Dimitrov, Federer, Eubanks, Dustin Brown etc any day of the week. Even moreso players of the past. I'm always rewatching old games from the 90's and early 2000's to remind me of what real tennis looks like. When I say real tennis, I say the type of tennis that was varied, exciting, where the players possesed extremely high levels of skill and didn't rely on racket tech and modern nutrution and training.
 
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