The gauntlet has been thrown! Shroud, it's your move.
Yeah, there is no gauntlet. But if I could make any move I wanted, I would have some freak transporter accident that would mix tlm's FH with mine. It would be the perfect fh IMHO.The gauntlet has been thrown! Shroud, it's your move.
Some good consistent hitting and you seem to be getting more depth than your partner most of the time.Here is a clip of some rally practice and I am trying to hit through my forehand more, plus get more depth and lower trajectory.
Some good consistent hitting and you seem to be getting more depth than your partner most of the time.
What happens if you hit more of a SW grip?
To hit through the ball , you would need to transfer the weight of your body forward at contact point. To do that, your left leg should work as a pivot while your right leg advance as a result of the weight transfer. In your case, left leg isnt't pivoting and right leg is not advancing causing you to produce less penetrating shots.
Timing is off. Building solid ground-strokes starts at the net. It starts with mini-tennis and developing proper muscle memory. I can tell you guys just start blasting forehands from the baseline with no prep.
even better:
The reason I use Ginepri is that I feel your stroke is most similar to his.
Really? The only similarity I see is that Ginepri is wearing a sleeveless shirt.
@tlm you really gotta turn more and give more space for the racquet path . . .
the raq has to make some loop around your trunk before making contact.
Isn't tough to hit through the ball with such an extreme grip.
That has been my experience and for years I could never hit the sw. W was just safer and worked, and SW was always a cluster. But something happened recently where now I use SW 80-90% of the time. It had to do with focusing on the take back and doing a good unit turn and keeping the left hand pointed to the right longer, and I had a coach who wanted me to hit flat. That cleaned up some of my bad habits.In the past I used SW grip but have went to full western now. I hit to many shots long with SW grip. I have found that if I catch it right I can hit better shot with the extreme grip, also seems like I can flatten my shots out better with western grip.
That has been my experience and for years I could never hit the sw. W was just safer and worked, and SW was always a cluster. But something happened recently where now I use SW 80-90% of the time. It had to do with focusing on the take back and doing a good unit turn and keeping the left hand pointed to the right longer, and I had a coach who wanted me to hit flat. That cleaned up some of my bad habits.
Can you get a ball machine and try hitting flat with a SW?
There are times I have made sure to get farther away from the ball sideways and I noticed that I hit the ball better. I have a tendency to get to close to the ball.
For some reason, getting closer to the ball (sideways) gets you as well hitting the ball more in front of you (earlier contact), which is great for both control and power (and taking away a bit more time from your opponent too). Also I experience more comfort when I hit this way.
Only I don't understand W grip in this respect, I do it also with SW grip and all I can say is that it works.
It would be an interesting experiment though with a ball machine...to just turn your grip one bevel and hit the ball exactly like you normally do. and see where that puts the ball's flight path.Western grip helps keep the racket closed some even with a steep upward swing.
Western grip helps keep the racket closed some even with a steep upward swing.
It would be an interesting experiment though with a ball machine...to just turn your grip one bevel and hit the ball exactly like you normally do. and see where that puts the ball's flight path.
I think you've really reached a realization and a crossroad, so to speak in your technique, and that is, it's holding you back, provided that you want to move forward technique-wise. You just wrote it in your own words that I've high-lighted above.I see your point and I have tried exactly what you are suggesting. I will try it again next time out with ball machine.
The problem I had was if I was off a little my shots would go long to easily. If I was right on with the timing the shots were good and more penetrating. So being I go more for consistency I use the W grip.
So I think because of my inconsistent timing and exaggerated upper cut swing the W grip helps.
A lot of mishits in this one - why? Very late preparation in most of your shots
Really I didn't think I had many mishits in the video, other than the backhand one. But I do see the late prep on a lot of shots.
2.23, 2.31 + others, generally late contact. Overall nice controlled hitting, better than most of the users here I'm sure. Prep earlier and you will find more time. Generally aim to be in your load position before the ball has gone over the net..this will help
2.23, 2.31 + others, generally late contact. Overall nice controlled hitting, better than most of the users here I'm sure. Prep earlier and you will find more time. Generally aim to be in your load position before the ball has gone over the net..this will help
tlm, I would ignore most of these suggestions. You are well aware that your technique has flaws, but I don't see them hurting your shot too much. I thought you were hitting those FHs pretty cleanly. Of course, your partner is feeding you medium speed balls that are landing at the service line, so you're not really getting pushed. Still, you're hitting a consistent solid ball. You have a serviceable 4.0/4.5 FH, and it will take a major reworking of it to get much better. I'm not sure that would be the best use of your time.
I did notice that you stand way far back. I don't think you can get away with that on a hard court. Your partner hit several angled shots by you. If you were just behind the baseline, you would have a much better shot at getting them.
Yes I still need to work on earlier prep. I don't know why it is so hard for me to get that ingrained.
Dumb question here, but load position...is that what I was shown once as (I'm a righty) left hand pointing at the ball and the racquet back already? (more or less...)
tlm, I would ignore most of these suggestions. You are well aware that your technique has flaws, but I don't see them hurting your shot too much. I thought you were hitting those FHs pretty cleanly. Of course, your partner is feeding you medium speed balls that are landing at the service line, so you're not really getting pushed. Still, you're hitting a consistent solid ball. You have a serviceable 4.0/4.5 FH, and it will take a major reworking of it to get much better. I'm not sure that would be the best use of your time.
I did notice that you stand way far back. I don't think you can get away with that on a hard court. Your partner hit several angled shots by you. If you were just behind the baseline, you would have a much better shot at getting them.
The gauntlet has been thrown! Shroud, it's your move.
I think this is good advice. Tlm has a great FH and it will be hard to improve on it without a bunch of work, but with the type of shot he is getting from all the "bad" technique I think he has the skill to make changes. Its whether he wants to or sees the need to go through the pain.
His FH is pretty complicated IMHO in that there are factors that align to make it work. IMHO the grip, hitting off the back foot and the left arm drooping are all related and I don't know what is causing what (though I think the back foot is the main issue). Changing one of them will mess everything else up and he already has a good thing and is winning matches.
A good question is if he is loosing to better players, does that bother him, and if so, WHY is he loosing? If its the FH then a change is in order but if its something else well thats the area to focus on IMHO.
I think this is good advice. Tlm has a great FH and it will be hard to improve on it without a bunch of work, but with the type of shot he is getting from all the "bad" technique I think he has the skill to make changes. Its whether he wants to or sees the need to go through the pain.
His FH is pretty complicated IMHO in that there are factors that align to make it work. IMHO the grip, hitting off the back foot and the left arm drooping are all related and I don't know what is causing what (though I think the back foot is the main issue). Changing one of them will mess everything else up and he already has a good thing and is winning matches.
A good question is if he is loosing to better players, does that bother him, and if so, WHY is he loosing? If its the FH then a change is in order but if its something else well thats the area to focus on IMHO.
Is your friend a good volleyer? Get him to play you from the net. Usual controlled hitting - this will help massively because you will have less time. Do this for 30 mins or so then both play from the baseline, you will be amazed how much more time you have
Have you tried keep your left arm extended to keep your shoulders turned?
tlm - on a tangential: check out this guy's forehand:
his turns and loads a lot better, but his arm motion is similar to yours.
EXCEPT - look how loose he is, and how much WHIP he gets.
I think if you relaxed you could have a similar stroke
There are times I have made sure to get farther away from the ball sideways and I noticed that I hit the ball better. I have a tendency to get to close to the ball.
This was the comment I was going to make as its something I'm working on right now. More spacing between the ball and my body so it forces arm extension through the ball and gives way more pace.
I also note a very high launch angle on your shots which is robbing some pace as well. Could it be racket and string setup? I notice i get much better launch when i pair NG with a stiff poly like 4G inthe crosses.
Your right more spacing lets you hit with more arm extension which gives more pace. When just hitting around like in this video I can take the same swing on 2 different shots but if one has more spacing the shot is always better. Now I just have to work on getting that right set up spot ingrained.
As far as string set up goes that is not the problem I use very stiff and dead set ups to help lower trajectory. I am using head gravity which is a full poly set up at 70 lbs.
geezus ... and no arm pain? how long have you been using that setup?