I've played on clay some and never had any issues with my 2HBH. Not with my knees or my back.My left knee started to tweak when playing uneven junky clay courts, went away after I switched back to a one hander...
Any righties experienced left knee issues while playing on clay/hard-tru with a 2HBH and hitting some open stances?
I've played on clay some and never had any issues with my 2HBH. Not with my knees or my back.
I don't get the complaints on the previous page about back issues from unit turn. Don't people do that on forehands, too? I don't find them significantly different.
Someone said today that Djokovic lost SIX times to one handers at the French Open but I am feeling too lazy to check but names included Chechinato, Kohlschreiber, Federer, Wawrinka & etc. I dont think it is obsolete at all.I have a 1HBH and to be honest, I think the 1HBH is essentially obsolete in the modern game at higher levels. .
1hbh | 2hbh | |
power generation | easier to generate power. simpler swing motion. the leading arm is unrestricted from making full swing, resulting in higher racket head speed | harder to generate power because full body needs to be involved. hip rotation is essential. although you get to use 2 arms, lagging arm provides more power, and it's hindered by the leading arm on the follow through. |
stability on serves or fast balls | requires you to be in the right position to be able to make the full swing. otherwise, better off slicing or blocking. | easier to cheat being in nonoptimal position because you have 2 hands instead of 1 to block the shot or use your arms to power through it without hip rotation |
footwork | can cover more range, but once you get to the general hitting area, need to be in a more precise position to be able to fully utilize the swing | has slightly less coverage area, but once you get to the general hitting area, you have more margin for error such that if you're in a nonoptimal position, the result of your shot can still be decent |
But is it a statement about the 1HBH, Djokovic, theSomeone said today that Djokovic lost SIX times to one handers at the French Open but I am feeling too lazy to check but names included Chechinato, Kohlschreiber, Federer, Wawrinka & etc. I dont think it is obsolete at all.
easier to generate power. simpler swing motion. the leading arm is unrestricted from making full swing, resulting in higher racket head speed
For topslin backhands is your palm on top of the handle or behind it?My dad had a one handed backhand, so that's the shot he taught to me when I picked up tennis as a kid.
Admittedly, it was a liability until I turned about 14 and got bigger and stronger. I think it's my best shot now.
I would assume Djokovic would be trying to pick on their backhands much of the time and lost six times to these one handers anyway. If these one handers can do this against the likely GOAT then it tells me that the one hander is not obsolete despite its weakness on returns and high balls. It has advantagaes too.But is it a statement about the 1HBH, Djokovic, theNadal ParisFrench Open, clay court tennis or all of the aforementioned? Jokes asides, you'd surely agree Djokovic's prowess in Paris doesn't mean too much here. This is a nerds-only topic here, not GPPD!
My left knee started to tweak when playing uneven junky clay courts, went away after I switched back to a one hander...
Any righties experienced left knee issues while playing on clay/hard-tru with a 2HBH and hitting some open stances?
Personally, it's difficult to generate power on a 1HBH. As a scrawny youth this was definitely the case, but as an adult it's better, but still inferior. I think it has theoretical higher power potential given the right person, but individually, this can very as it doesn't for me.
I recently thought about the next gen one hander or pomo one hander. I went out made the change and OMG I was getting major spin and power. It was sick and a very exaggerated version of what you mention....but man it tore my shoulder up...A rotation cheat I learned on the 1hander is as you drop into slot push the end of your racquet handle to point to the left hand net post.
It does, I mentioned it: higher potential spin and power assuming you have time to set up. What I also do say is that I don't think six matches in Novak's career say a whole much about the 1HBH on tour, and my opinion isn't based on that. I'd say the same about Nadal too: my opinion isn't based on his ability to play brutal topspin to Federer's backhand. It would even be unfair: Nadal ate every backhand on clay, you could play it with three hands that it hardly would've mattered; hell, you could have two forehands and Nadal would still find your backhand. The 1HBH isn't the end of the world; it's not as awful as having little FH or serve (hello Benoît), but in the current conditions the 2HBH is the de-facto meta. Ban co-poly.I would assume Djokovic would be trying to pick on their backhands much of the time and lost six times to these one handers anyway. If these one handers can do this against the likely GOAT then it tells me that the one hander is not obsolete despite its weakness on returns and high balls. It has advantagaes too.
Novak is the 2nd best clay court player for many years and likely the greatest male player of all time. He has gone for large chunks of seasons without a single loss yet six times at Roland Garros one handers have knocked the GOAT out of the tournament. This should speak for itself. And, yes, he was great even back in his Wilson Blade days. Also how can it be obsolete when we have a finalist into tomorrows French Open fianl. Maybe you were bored when you wrote your initial claim?It does, I mentioned it: higher potential spin and power assuming you have time to set up. What I also do say is that I don't think six matches in Novak's career say a whole much about the 1HBH on tour, and my opinion isn't based on that. I'd say the same about Nadal too: my opinion isn't based on his ability to play brutal topspin to Federer's backhand. It would even be unfair: Nadal ate every backhand on clay, you could play it with three hands that it hardly would've mattered; hell, you could have two forehands and Nadal would still find your backhand. The 1HBH isn't the end of the world; it's not as awful as having little FH or serve (hello Benoît), but in the current conditions the 2HBH is the de-facto meta. Ban co-poly.
Amongst those winners we have Federer, Thiem twice (once against one of the worst versions of post-gluten Novak ever), a redlining Cecchinato who never played anything like it since, a redlining Wawrinka, and Kohlschreiber over pre-gluten Novak in 2009. It could be worse: the rest is an assortment of seven Nadals, and one of Coria, Meltzer and Murray.
Try keeping your non dominant hand on the racquet for the fh and shadow swing. For me, I do feel it in the lower back but don't with a one handed fh. The unit turn seems to be pretty different with the 2nd hand on the racquet.I've played on clay some and never had any issues with my 2HBH. Not with my knees or my back.
I don't get the complaints on the previous page about back issues from unit turn. Don't people do that on forehands, too? I don't find them significantly different.
1hbh 2hbh power generation easier to generate power. simpler swing motion. the leading arm is unrestricted from making full swing, resulting in higher racket head speed harder to generate power because full body needs to be involved. hip rotation is essential. although you get to use 2 arms, lagging arm provides more power, and it's hindered by the leading arm on the follow through. stability on serves or fast balls requires you to be in the right position to be able to make the full swing. otherwise, better off slicing or blocking. easier to cheat being in nonoptimal position because you have 2 hands instead of 1 to block the shot or use your arms to power through it without hip rotation footwork can cover more range, but once you get to the general hitting area, need to be in a more precise position to be able to fully utilize the swing has slightly less coverage area, but once you get to the general hitting area, you have more margin for error such that if you're in a nonoptimal position, the result of your shot can still be decent
C'mon, that's harsh. I simply disagree on that a single player at a single tournament over six matches means a whole lot to the current state of the tour, no matter how good that player is. That's the exact same kind of argument some people have been writing off the 1HBH because of Federer vs. Nadal on clay and I did say I don't even agree with that argument either. I don't care about who individual players struggle against when discussing this. If anything, I'd be excited if Tsitsipas managed to defeat Djokovic in the final. We could use some fresh blood out there.Maybe you were bored when you wrote your initial claim?
Because both tours have almost completely voted it out for reasons that have been written before. And to me, that's a whole lot more data than 6 matches in one's career. Unless you want to argue that the rarefaction of the 1HBH has nothing to do with those reasons.Also how can it be obsolete when we have a finalist into tomorrows French Open fianl.
For topslin backhands is your palm on top of the handle or behind it?
128 men entered the 2021 French Open main draw. We are now down to two and one of them has a one hander.Because both tours have almost completely voted it out for reasons that have been written before.
C'mon, that's harsh. I simply disagree on that a single player at a single tournament over six matches means a whole lot to the current state of the tour, no matter how good that player is. That's the exact same kind of argument some people have been writing off the 1HBH because of Federer vs. Nadal on clay and I did say I don't even agree with that argument either. I don't care about who individual players struggle against when discussing this. If anything, I'd be excited if Tsitsipas managed to defeat Djokovic in the final. We could use some fresh blood out there.
Because both tours have almost completely voted it out for reasons that have been written before. And to me, that's a whole lot more data than 6 matches in one's career. Unless you want to argue that the rarefaction of the 1HBH has nothing to do with those reasons.
You can equivalently argue that there were 11 different men's slam finalists with a 1HBH in the last twenty years, four of which (Kuerten, Sampras, Rafter, Philippoussis) had a good chunk of their career in the 90's. I couldn't care less: individual player prowess doesn't matter to me when discussing this. It's like the argument of the pre-supposed advantage of lefties in tennis because Nadal, when in fact there are no more lefties on tour than the population's average.128 men entered the 2021 French Open main draw. We are now down to two and one of them has a one hander.
The great next gen players have also voted Thiem, Tsitsipas, Shapovalov, Musetti
also because serve and volley is dead pretty much at the pro level.They're almost always young boys when they start playing, and the two hander is what they start with. By the time they could start effectively using a OHBH, their performance would suffer for a while if they switched to it, with no reasonable assurance that their game would improve overall after said switch was completed.
They already have something that works, which they learned at a point in their life where to be competitive they had use.
This is why the two handed BH is so much more common.
128 men entered the 2021 French Open main draw. We are now down to two and one of them has a one hander.
The great next gen players have also voted Thiem, Tsitsipas, Shapovalov, Musetti
Yesterday should make it very clear why 1 hander is inferior. Did anyone notice how badly Tsitty was shanking some of his backhands? Shocking from a pro.
This is when reading the posts is a big help. We were discussing in a friendly way if it is OBSOLETE on the tour. Obvioiusly it is not.Sinner, Auger-Alliasime, Medvedev, Rublev have also voted.
In the end, trying to determine which is better by what the pros are doing has no relevance to the rec game. Rec players are slower, prep less well, anticipate less well, are less coordinated, hit with less spin and power and run the gamut in skill levels and ages. As such, they may be better served by one of the BH's over the other. But until someone studies this in detail, it's all opinion.
My personal opinion is that from 3.0-4.0, you are probably best served by the stability of the 2HBH. From 4.5 up, it's probably a push as you are now coordinated enough and anticipate well enough that you can make a 1HBH work well for you. But you can still make a 2HBH work all the way to 7.0.
And in the end, you are still probably better spending your time working on your serve and FH. If Steffi Graf can win multiple slam titles with only a slice BH, any rec hacker below 4.5 can defeat other rec hackers with a bare bones BH of any type.
This is when reading the posts is a big help. We were discussing in a friendly way if it is OBSOLETE on the tour. Obvioiusly it is not.
Well, the guy with the ‘inferior’ backhand shot was one set from winning the tournament, no? What about the six two-handers he beat on his way to the final? And he only lost to probably the best player of all time (with the best 2Her ever, maybe). Citybus will shank some 1Hers but I really don’t think that’s why he lost.Yesterday should make it very clear why 1 hander is inferior. Did anyone notice how badly Tsitty was shanking some of his backhands? Shocking from a pro.
Well, the guy with the ‘inferior’ backhand shot was one set from winning the tournament, no? What about the six two-handers he beat on his way to the final? And he only lost to probably the best player of all time (with the best 2Her ever, maybe). Citybus will shank some 1Hers but I really don’t think that’s why he lost.
Yeah but players with 1 handers have a bit more range, and have higher spin/angle potential, so on theory, they can potentially 'shank' balls that a two hander can't even get a racquet on, and can hit winners that are not possible with a 2 hander.That is exactly why I was referring to the shanking and not the outcome, which can be because of or in spite of something like this.
Federer would also shank backhands under Nadal's pressure when he was using his old frame.
I have never seen a 2-handed pro shank a backhand.
Well, the guy with the ‘inferior’ backhand shot was one set from winning the tournament, no? What about the six two-handers he beat on his way to the final? And he only lost to probably the best player of all time (with the best 2Her ever, maybe). Citybus will shank some 1Hers but I really don’t think that’s why he lost.
Yeah but players with 1 handers have a bit more range, and have higher spin/angle potential, so on theory, they can potentially 'shank' balls that a two hander can't even get a racquet on, and can hit winners that are not possible with a 2 hander.
That is like saying someone with a sports car can go faster so it is OK for him to crash his car. Doesn't work like that. Power+Control is needed.
My HS coach told me "Your 1HBH is terrible. You're learning a 2HBH."
To be fair, I was hitting a windshield wiper BH where contact is with the same face as my Eastern FH. So maybe he figured it would be easier to start over than to try and fix the one-hander.
His upper arm could well be pressed to his chest when he first accelerates forward, as discussed.
The Youtube includes the information that Feliciano is using a small racket and lighter ball. It also says that he plays tennis using a 2 handed backhand.
This is not a recommendation - A lot has to be considered before children attempt tennis strokes.
@IowaGuy pointed out that the above player looks just like Thiem. Thiem has a straight arm on the backhand take back and so does the kid above.This kid seems to be hitting big backhands. I can't see what he is doing so far with this poor quality video. ??
6-year-old tennis star can’t stop going viral
A 6-year-old has the one-handed backhand seen ’round the world. A young tennis player from the UK went viral Thursday after his dad posted a video of him hitting powerful one-handed backhand shots …nypost.com
Looks 'chest press' to me.
(Better video, but can't do stop action.) If you place the cursor on the circle indicating 12 seconds just before the impact frame, each time your press the mouse button the approach to impact is replayed.
If you see a Youtube, please post the link.
I'm not advocating that young children do forceful tennis strokes.
I've been on the receiving end of that and it has been a hell of a learning curve over the past 4 months or so. In some ways being left handed actually helped me in this. I get so many crosscourt forehands hit at my 1BH that I've been forced to get as proficient as I can with it.At the levels I play at, if a player has a 1HBH, I'll attack it relentlessly, if I can. Very few are that good, and usually break down under pressure. It's a winning strategy. My 2HBH vs their 1HBH will almost always get me a significant advantage.
That's being a little hyperbolic there.
It's saying that the slightly increased risk of using a 1H over a 2H for the marginal advantages gained is reckless. I don't agree with that.
I already replied to that postSee post #136
Personally I agree that eventually someone besides me and "socallefty" will hit a hybrid backhand, and obviously do it better than either of us! All it will take will be one big name to start hitting certain shots with 2 hands and most rally balls with one hand, and then it will become all the
The story about strength needed to hit 1HBH is mostly related to speeding up the racquet, isn’t it? By the moment it is accelerated enough and swings around to meet the ball, it’s flowing and rolling.I never was a strong guy, and I now think I didn't have the strength to hit that stroke as a kid.
Yesterday should make it very clear why 1 hander is inferior. Did anyone notice how badly Tsitty was shanking some of his backhands? Shocking from a pro.