How many GS would Murray have won if he had peaked in 2003-2007?

[Deleted member 743545]

Of course assuming no peak Federer.

I'd say he win 4 or 5 GS at most: 2003 Wimbledon, 2005 Wimbledon, 2006 Australian Open, 2004 Us Open and possibly one of 2003/2006 Us Open/2007 Australian Open.

 

[Lew II]

All of them.

 

[Deleted member 743545]

All of them.

Are you telling me that Murray would beat 2005-2007 Nadal at RG?

 

[Lew II]

2010-16 Murray had a 10-0 streak in slam finals/semi against non-Big3.

When no GOAT is on sight, Murray is unstoppable.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

All of them.

This. 20 slams with 5 consecutive CYGSs.

 

[tennisfan2015]

All of them.

Ha ha ha

 

[Lew II]

Are you telling me that Murray would beat 2005-2007 Nadal at RG?

I was joking.

 

[tennis_pro]

I was joking.

First time ever. How did it feel?

 

[metsman]

I was joking.

I am not sure if you realized, but 2010-16 Murray had a 10-0 streak in slam finals/semi against non-Big3.

If we extrapolate these trends, considering that 03-07 zygote Nadal was not quite at the level of prime big3, it is very possible Murray wins all majors.

 

[BGod]

Ok confirmed no Fed.

Well Roddick wins 5-7 more. Roddick was pummeling Murray and no I don't think Andy 12-13 is better than 03-05 Andy.

I mean, I guess 06 AO, 07 USO, 08 USO I imagine as well. Depends where Andy fits 06-07 WMB. I'll give him one. And yeah French Open 03-04 over Ferrero/Gaudio.

That's 6.

 

[Deleted member 763024]

'If we're going to assume pre-conditions, why don't we assume outcomes as well and dress it as reasoning.' - this thread and many others like it

 

[brystone]

Honestly none, and that is no disrespect to Murray but I just cant see him beating an absolutely peak/prime Federer in a major when he didnt even beat Federer in a major as it was until 2013. While beating Nadal at RG is even more far fetched. I guess his only shot might be ClayRay at RG in 2003 and 2004 but I definitely dont see him beating Ferrero in 2003, and probably wouldnt survive the whole draw or beat Gaudio or Coria in 2004.

 

[Krish872007]

Honestly none, and that is no disrespect to Murray but I just cant see him beating an absolutely peak/prime Federer in a major when he didnt even beat Federer in a major as it was until 2013. While beating Nadal at RG is even more far fetched. I guess his only shot might be ClayRay at RG in 2003 and 2004 but I definitely dont see him beating Ferrero in 2003, and probably wouldnt survive the whole draw or beat Gaudio or Coria in 2004.

OP is assuming no Federer at all in this scenario.

 

[brystone]

Of course assuming no peak Federer.

I'd say he win 4 or 5 GS at most: 2003 Wimbledon, 2005 Wimbledon, 2006 Australian Open, 2004 Us Open and possibly one of 2003/2006 Us Open/2007 Australian Open.

sorry missed the bolded part.

Those kind of things are hard to say. I would probably concur with the ones you listed as possibles atleast. Not sure on Wimbledon 2003, both Roddick and Philippousis would be capable of beating him.

Murray also underperformed in slam finals for years so one probably shouldnt be generous in doling out slam wins to him. He probably would lose a lot of the slam semis and finals he seems to have a good shot of winning.