metsman
G.O.A.T.
it should be for you so you can naturally let your touch and finesse based game excel. If you serve too fast you won't be able to do that.
How should Fed play in the final?
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icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
i don't recall the players saying the courts are really really fast, just that they are faster then they have been in a while. let's not exaggerate.
Jaitock1991
Hall of Fame
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
Man. I feel so owned right now
Don't worry, once you watch him actually play, you won't feel so bad. You might even get a cheap laugh or two in. I know I did.
Man. I feel so owned right now
I think he should not make too many unforced errors, should come to the net strategically, bring his A game, demonstrate mental strength, minimize double faults, and hit many winners.
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
That would be a recipe for disaster. Rafa's baseline form is still perfectly ok
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Exactly. See how close Wimb 14 finals was ? That was a day with great serves and bad ground game
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
5 dirty tricks for Fed:
1) Line up the water bottles
2) Towel when Nadal is ready to serve
3) Grunt
4) Play moonballs to Nadal´s backhand
5) Shout come on! and fist pump every time Nadal makes a mistake
Strange how bizarre it seems when you turn it around, eh?
May the best man win!
1) Line up the water bottles
2) Towel when Nadal is ready to serve
3) Grunt
4) Play moonballs to Nadal´s backhand
5) Shout come on! and fist pump every time Nadal makes a mistake
Strange how bizarre it seems when you turn it around, eh?
May the best man win!
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Deleted member 307496
Guest
Like he did here:
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
5 dirty tricks for Fed:
1) Line up the water bottles
2) Towel when Nadal is ready to serve
3) Grunt
4) Play moonballs to Nadal´s backhand
5) Shout come on! and fist pump every time Nadal makes a mistake
Strange how bizarre it seems when you turn it around, eh?
May the best man win!
6. Take 28 seconds between serves
7. Alternate picking rear and touching nose
8. Look at the coaching box for signals
9. Adjust non existing hair around both ears
10. Take MTO if down by 2 sets
11. Yell Vamos when Nadal serves a DF
j/k
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
we can't all serve like you, nor do we have your tactical insights. Hence the need for this thread. Please contribute, oh great suresh!
gino
Legend
You don't need to be on the tour to analyze the game. A great resource to make an argument for either side:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/federer-net-attack-brain-game-basel-2015-final
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/25/sports/tennis/breaking-it-down-nadal-vs-federer.html?_r=0
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
looked preeeeettty good to me, you disagree?
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
cheers, well worth a read.
xFullCourtTenniSx
Hall of Fame
Tank the match and not care about the results. If he can't finish a point in 5 shots, he should slap away and pray.
Legends of Sport
New User
Fed has tried to serve and volley against Nadal before. He came to the net a lot in Rome of 06 and just failed.He has tried to be agressive and Paris '11 did so but failed to win again.
To me the key is where Nadal is standing on the serve. Against Raonic and Dimitrov on their first serves he was metres behind the baseline. Surely you must serve and volley when he is that far back!
Terry Tibbs
Hall of Fame
Federer a massive underdog? The bookies have this as very close. Current odds on betfair are Nadal 1.75 Fed 2.1.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
To me, the key is to come to the net whenever possible. Not behind every serve, but probably once or so every service game.
Including some chip and charge and SABR's and some of those returns he hit so well vs. Nishikori and Mischa.
I'm aware of that. Can't quite explain it - fear of fatique? (rolfmao)
But there seems to be a consensus here among Fed fans, Rafa fans, Djoko fans and neutrals that Rafa is the heavy favorite.
He's up 3-0 and 9-3 in sets on this very court and beat him in straights here a mere 3 years ago. Plus there's the uncertainty of Fed's leg issue and how he moved and timed his groundies in the semi.
All in all, regardless of the bookies, I maintain that Rafa is the heavy favorite.
Feel free to disagree, of course.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
What I saw from Dimitrov is he didn't play aggressive enough on a consistent basis. Too content with baseline back and forth at times when he wasn't feeling the pressure. That retention is a killer because you know Nadal wins the long points. Federer's net play is fantastic, he has to use it as much as possible.
Terry Tibbs
Hall of Fame
The bookies don't
It doesn't really matter what the consensus on here is in terms of the real chances of both players. The bookies don't get things wrong and they have this as a close match. And in any case, judging by the match result poll on the match result thread, the predictions are very close.
It doesn't really matter what the consensus on here is in terms of the real chances of both players. The bookies don't get things wrong and they have this as a close match. And in any case, judging by the match result poll on the match result thread, the predictions are very close.
trenzterra
Semi-Pro
Federer has to pull the trigger more often... Yesterday Dimitrov was content to rally more often than not.
And I guess mix it up with backhand slices every now and then, especially to Nadal's backhand side?
I dunno... I think Federer's biggest problem with Nadal (and later with Djokovic) in the past, apart from the topspin BH, was that he always got to that one extra ball. In that respect, Nadal seems slower now, and is less likely to pull a loopy winner or passing shot from out of position, and doesn't seem to hold serve as comfortably as before.
Of course, given their lopsided history, I don't have high hopes for Fed... but hope he can somehow eke this one out.
And I guess mix it up with backhand slices every now and then, especially to Nadal's backhand side?
I dunno... I think Federer's biggest problem with Nadal (and later with Djokovic) in the past, apart from the topspin BH, was that he always got to that one extra ball. In that respect, Nadal seems slower now, and is less likely to pull a loopy winner or passing shot from out of position, and doesn't seem to hold serve as comfortably as before.
Of course, given their lopsided history, I don't have high hopes for Fed... but hope he can somehow eke this one out.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
People predict with their hearts and a lot bet with their hearts as well. Bookies were completely off about both Brexit and the US election. And bookies have been wrong numerous times in earlier Fedal meetings as well.
either way, they still have to play it.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
While Dmitrov may have better baseline game than Fed as at this time , I noticed several areas where Fed will have better success against Rafa as compared to Dmitrov - Serves, net points , closing out OH, angled BH returns , slice - Fed has so much more variety .
It is not a like for like comparison , burn Rafa showed he will be a handful at the baseline and can run around for a long time like in the past
It is not a like for like comparison , burn Rafa showed he will be a handful at the baseline and can run around for a long time like in the past
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
Don't think he'll cry. He knows his chances this time whereas in 2009 he lost despite winning more overall points and played really well off the ground. His first priority should be to protect his body and build on his ranking boost from hereon.
He's gota go hard into the nadal forehand. That backhand is rock solid and won't break. Nadal forehand is what does the damage but it's also the wing that he misses more. When closing at net he needs to hit off to the side of the court rather deep in the court. Play some short balls to lure nadal in and pass him. He's got a go after that backhand return and force himself to go dtl when the opportunity arises.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
I wanna see a lot of junkball, extreme drop shots, forehand slices, that sort of stuff.
PrinceMoron
Legend
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
Yep. But these guys do it for a reason. They know what we all know. Roger should play this final as a tribute to them and their style which is as good as extinct now.
cluckcluck
Hall of Fame
Go for broke and take advantage of the faster moving balls at the AO.
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