I got a speeding ticket today

[Bartelby]

You should have asked Mal to intervene on your behalf. He does a fine line in blathering hypocrisy. He would have got you off, even if no one else is getting off.

It is, yes.

I've already payed it anyway so I guess it's a bit late for me to try anything suggested here.
Thanks anyway though guys.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Juiced up radar guns everywhere....

 

[MotoboXer]

Juiced up radar guns everywhere....

What do you mean? Longer range?

 

[Deleted member 754093]

i am sure some of these points have some valence, but the way the this is presented as a reaction to getting a speeding ticket, some of it reads a lot like the illustrations from some textbook chapter on cognitive dissonance and the need to justify our actions. People have a way of coming up with endlessly creative justifications when they get confronted with some information that goes against their normal positive self-conception as a moral or competent person (the smoker who convinces himself the research on health is inconclusive; the test-cheater who convinces himself that everyone does it anyways; or the guy who gets a speeding ticket and hence ends up strengthening his belief that the police/government is the real entity at fault for wrongly distributing resources).

show me a true experimental study in human subjects where a causal link between toking like the marlboro man and lung cancer was established, and maybe then I'll consider that you're wrong.

i arrest my case

 

[Sysyphus]

show me a true experimental study in human subjects where a causal link between toking like the marlboro man and lung cancer was established, and maybe then I'll consider that you're wrong.

i arrest my case

I could indeed reveal the RCTs that have been carried out rather secretly in my basement, but I fear that would be rather damning

 

[Deleted member 754093]

I could indeed reveal the RCTs that have been carried out rather secretly in my basement, but I fear that would be rather damning

reported (to the irb)

 

[sureshs]

Humans should not be allowed to drive, period. You don't trust anybody to fly a Boeing 787, even though it can fly by itself very safely and the skies are mostly empty and each part of the plane is checked thoroughly and traffic is monitored by ATCs. Why the heck would you then trust a human on a road with other vehicles and no centralized control of traffic who took a test 50 years ago?

 

[movdqa]

Humans should not be allowed to drive, period. You don't trust anybody to fly a Boeing 787, even though it can fly by itself very safely and the skies are mostly empty and each part of the plane is checked thoroughly and traffic is monitored by ATCs. Why the heck would you then trust a human on a road with other vehicles and no centralized control of traffic who took a test 50 years ago?

For the most part, the driving system works quite well. We could improve things with somewhat tighter regulation.

 

[sureshs]

For the most part, the driving system works quite well. We could improve things with somewhat tighter regulation.

From a statistical viewpoint, maybe. But that is like saying only a small number of children ever suffered from polio.

I have seen too many cases of dead or worse, paralyzed, people whose fate was due to their or other's truly man-made fault. Most of the time it is speeding.

That is why I have zero sympathy for those who speed. I consider them criminals, and of a much worse kind than those who rob homes and make off with stuff. Those guys only cause loss of money.

 

[movdqa]

From a statistical viewpoint, maybe. But that is like saying only a small number of children ever suffered from polio.

I have seen too many cases of dead or worse, paralyzed, people whose fate was due to their or other's truly man-made fault. Most of the time it is speeding.

That is why I have zero sympathy for those who speed. I consider them criminals, and of a much worse kind than those who rob homes and make off with stuff. Those guys only cause loss of money.

Speeding could be fixed technologically. But there's little demand for that. The biggest problem was drunk driving and a huge amount of progress was made there so now the new problems drug abuse and distracted driving. If we actually enforced the distracted driving laws, I think we'd cut down on fatalities by quite a bit.

 

[sureshs]

Speeding could be fixed technologically. But there's little demand for that. The biggest problem was drunk driving and a huge amount of progress was made there so now the new problems drug abuse and distracted driving. If we actually enforced the distracted driving laws, I think we'd cut down on fatalities by quite a bit.

It is not easy to enforce such laws. Keeping a smartphone on the dash and making it operable only by voice commands is also distracting. Loud music is also distracting, as is talking a lot to other passengers. Can't regulate all that.

 

[MotoboXer]

From a statistical viewpoint, maybe. But that is like saying only a small number of children ever suffered from polio.

I have seen too many cases of dead or worse, paralyzed, people whose fate was due to their or other's truly man-made fault. Most of the time it is speeding.

That is why I have zero sympathy for those who speed. I consider them criminals, and of a much worse kind than those who rob homes and make off with stuff. Those guys only cause loss of money.

You have a point (to a point) about the speeding. The problem is the way cars are designed. On/off acceleration, overly sensitive brakes, "responsive" handling, blinding lights etcetera, is why people are in a big hurry to get their drive finshed asap and why they actually want to be distracted by cell-phones.
It also sounds like people mess with you on the road as much as in here.

 

[movdqa]

It is not easy to enforce such laws. Keeping a smartphone on the dash and making it operable only by voice commands is also distracting. Loud music is also distracting, as is talking a lot to other passengers. Can't regulate all that.

We can regulate all of that. Enforcing it is another matter. I don't think that we're even trying. What I would demand is that all vehicles have hands-free electronics installed or they wouldn't pass inspection. The smartphone stuff may be somewhat distracting but picking up a phone off the floor of a car is far more dangerous.

 

[sureshs]

You have a point (to a point) about the speeding. The problem is the way cars are designed. On/off acceleration, overly sensitive brakes, "responsive" handling, blinding lights etcetera, is why people are in a big hurry to get their drive finshed asap and why they actually want to be distracted by cell-phones.
It also sounds like people mess with you on the road as much as in here.

That causes road rage. Another reason to prevent humans from driving.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

What do you mean? Longer range?

No, I was jokingly making a parallel between the recent clear misreadings of the radar guns at some tennis events and the OP's complaints about being blitzed at so few units per hour above the speed limit.

 

[Deleted member 754093]

It is not easy to enforce such laws. Keeping a smartphone on the dash and making it operable only by voice commands is also distracting. Loud music is also distracting, as is talking a lot to other passengers. Can't regulate all that.

Did you know that distraction actually improves driving when conditions are fine? It's when you have to attend to the road, as in a storm or unusual traffic, that it becomes a major problem.

@Sysyphus might enjoy this
https://sites.tufts.edu/appliedcognition/files/2015/10/Hierarchical-control-and-driving.pdf

 

[Sysyphus]

Did you know that distraction actually improves driving when conditions are fine? It's when you have to attend to the road, as in a storm or unusual traffic, that it becomes a major problem.

@Sysyphus might enjoy this
https://sites.tufts.edu/appliedcognition/files/2015/10/Hierarchical-control-and-driving.pdf

volitional control degrades performance in most activities that are mostly unconscious and automatic, not just in driving. We all intuitively know this as tennis players: when we try to actually think about how we're going to hit while we're playing and exert conscious control over our strokes, we start to play shlt. And they've actually found that PFC activity (associated with volitional control) is negatively associated with performance in tennis.

 

[movdqa]

Did you know that distraction actually improves driving when conditions are fine? It's when you have to attend to the road, as in a storm or unusual traffic, that it becomes a major problem.

@Sysyphus might enjoy this
https://sites.tufts.edu/appliedcognition/files/2015/10/Hierarchical-control-and-driving.pdf

Spend a few bucks and get a Garmin Nuvi with a decent mount and decent software and leave it in the car permanently so you don't have to mount your phone everytime you get into your car.

 

[Deleted member 754093]

volitional control degrades performance in most activities that are mostly unconscious and automatic, not just in driving. We all intuitively know this as tennis players: when we try to actually think about how we're going to hit while we're playing and exert conscious control over our strokes, we start to play shlt. And they've actually found that PFC activity (associated with volitional control) is negatively associated with performance in tennis.

Exactly. One time I was playing horse with a friend, and he asked me where I was focusing when I would shoot. I said "excuse me, what?" So he said "yeah, the front of the rim? Back? A point on the backboard? And where do your eyes go after you shoot? Do they follow the ball?"

So I went "of course I...wait, what do I do? How does anyone do this?"

I was so flustered that I couldn't play basketball for a week

 

[Deleted member 754093]

Spend a few bucks and get a Garmin Nuvi with a decent mount and decent software and leave it in the car permanently so you don't have to mount your phone everytime you get into your car.

I mount my phone but I don't use it. A driving simulation is much different than driving on actual roads. It was more of an implicit/explicit experiment. Pertinent to tennis, which should be an automatic activity, as Sysyphus said

 

[MotoboXer]

Ah Daniel-san, you just made thees tharead much betta!

 

[Sysyphus]

Exactly. One time I was playing horse with a friend, and he asked me where I was focusing when I would shoot. I said "excuse me, what?" So he said "yeah, the front of the rim? Back? A point on the backboard? And where do your eyes go after you shoot? Do they follow the ball?"

So I went "of course I...wait, what do I do? How does anyone do this?"

I was so flustered that I couldn't play basketball for a week

Reminds me of this Foster Wallace quote:

“The real secret behind top athletes' genius, then, may be as esoteric and obvious and dull and profound as silence itself. The real, many-veiled answer to the question of just what goes through a great player's mind as he stands at the center of a hostile crowdnoise and lines up the free-throw that will decide the game might well be: nothing at all.”
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Spoiler

 

[Deleted member 754093]

Reminds me of this Foster Wallace quote:

“The real secret behind top athletes' genius, then, may be as esoteric and obvious and dull and profound as silence itself. The real, many-veiled answer to the question of just what goes through a great player's mind as he stands at the center of a hostile crowdnoise and lines up the free-throw that will decide the game might well be: nothing at all.”
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Spoiler

Take that to Tips and Instructions. I'm sure they'll be beside themselves

 

[Bartelby]

This is the problem in a nutshell, but the corollary is that worrying about the driver - whether old, drunk or speeding - is not the solution.

They appear to be close to automated driving on dedicated lane-ways for long-haul trucks, but automated driving systems on normal roads is way-off in the future.

Humans should not be allowed to drive, period. You don't trust anybody to fly a Boeing 787, even though it can fly by itself very safely and the skies are mostly empty and each part of the plane is checked thoroughly and traffic is monitored by ATCs. Why the heck would you then trust a human on a road with other vehicles and no centralized control of traffic who took a test 50 years ago?

 

[Raul_SJ]

show me a true experimental study in human subjects where a causal link between toking like the marlboro man and lung cancer was established, and maybe then I'll consider that you're wrong.

i arrest my case

What is your point? Everyone should be free to smoke. Absolutely.

But in terms of choosing whether act on the known studies and change one's behavior, the current studies showing a high correlation is sufficient.

Only a fool would wait for causation to be proven.

Cigarette smoking is the number one risk factor for lung cancer. In the United States, cigarette smoking is linked to about 80% to 90% of lung cancers. Using other tobacco products such as cigars or pipes also increases the risk for lung cancer. Tobacco smoke is a toxic mix of more than 7,000 chemicals. Many are poisons. At least 70 are known to cause cancer in people or animals.

People who smoke cigarettes are 15 to 30 times more likely to get lung cancer or die from lung cancer than people who do not smoke. Even smoking a few cigarettes a day or smoking occasionally increases the risk of lung cancer.​

https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/lung/basic_info/risk_factors.htm

 

[Bartelby]

The solution is public transportation running within dedicated spaces, and it is the solution most European cities adopt.

Road use for cars should be reduced as much as possible, including returning roads to pedestrians and not just for shopping streets.

 

[Deleted member 754093]

What is your point? Everyone should be free to smoke. Absolutely.

But in terms of choosing whether act on the known studies and change one's behavior, the current studies showing a high correlation is sufficient.

Only a fool would wait for causation to be proven.

Cigarette smoking is the number one risk factor for lung cancer. In the United States, cigarette smoking is linked to about 80% to 90% of lung cancers. Using other tobacco products such as cigars or pipes also increases the risk for lung cancer. Tobacco smoke is a toxic mix of more than 7,000 chemicals. Many are poisons. At least 70 are known to cause cancer in people or animals.

People who smoke cigarettes are 15 to 30 times more likely to get lung cancer or die from lung cancer than people who do not smoke. Even smoking a few cigarettes a day or smoking occasionally increases the risk of lung cancer.​

https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/lung/basic_info/risk_factors.htm

my point was a joke

 

[sureshs]

Did you know that distraction actually improves driving when conditions are fine? It's when you have to attend to the road, as in a storm or unusual traffic, that it becomes a major problem.

@Sysyphus might enjoy this
https://sites.tufts.edu/appliedcognition/files/2015/10/Hierarchical-control-and-driving.pdf

Yes I know that. No distraction causes you to fall asleep, mentally or physically.

Another reason for driverless cars.

 

[sureshs]

The solution is public transportation running within dedicated spaces, and it is the solution most European cities adopt.

European countries are the size of US states or smaller. It won't work in the US with vast spaces spanning population centers.

 

[Aitkers]

Its a cash cow its not going to end anytime soon

 

[donquijote]

I am completely with master Suresh on this. Giving every stupid family a car that can go 180 km/hr must be the stupidest idea ever.
You can build a network of public transportation within the city that will take everyone from their street and get to their destination safely and faster. It will come cheaper to maintain as well and will be good for the environment.

Humans should only be allowed to drive to remote areas with rental vehicles. They should not even be allowed to drive city to city. Especially driving to work is the most stupid thing on earth and people have to do it every day.

Just have a look at what humans built to get people to work in LA only to realize what actually they needed a good public transportation after many years of pain and struggle.

 

[ByeByePoly]

I am completely with master Suresh on this. Giving every stupid family a car that can go 180 km/hr must be the stupidest idea ever.
You can build a network of public transportation within the city that will take everyone from their street and get to their destination safely and faster. It will come cheaper to maintain as well and will be good for the environment.

Humans should only be allowed to drive to remote areas with rental vehicles. They should not even be allowed to drive city to city. Especially driving to work is the most stupid thing on earth and people have to do it every day.

Just have a look at what humans built to get people to work in LA only to realize what actually they needed a good public transportation after many years of pain and struggle.

Don ... don't take my car. I like my virus free space. Maybe personal transportation vehicles that attach to mass transit transport grids, but self-driven everywhere else.

 

[MotoboXer]

Were you sort of road-raging before you got the ticket?

 

[Dedans Penthouse]

That is why I have zero sympathy for those who speed.

I consider them criminals, and of a much worse kind than those who rob homes and make off with stuff. Those guys only cause loss of money.

I agree 100%. . Having said that (and please be honest): . were you ever guilty of 'EWD' ???

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[Deleted member 688153]

Were you sort of road-raging before you got the ticket?

No actually. I was just driving normally.

 

[ByeByePoly]

Were you sort of road-raging before you got the ticket?

My road rage came after the ticket.

 

[Ronaldo]

I can't even drive.

55?

 

[Ronaldo]

Exactly. One time I was playing horse with a friend, and he asked me where I was focusing when I would shoot. I said "excuse me, what?" So he said "yeah, the front of the rim? Back? A point on the backboard? And where do your eyes go after you shoot? Do they follow the ball?"

So I went "of course I...wait, what do I do? How does anyone do this?"

I was so flustered that I couldn't play basketball for a week

This,

 

[Bartelby]

It will work within large cities and can be adapted to linking population centres. It's a question of political will.

European countries are the size of US states or smaller. It won't work in the US with vast spaces spanning population centers.

 

[Bartelby]

The car industry actively destroyed public transportation for most of the twentieth century.

Just have a look at what humans built to get people to work in LA only to realize what actually they needed a good public transportation after many years of pain and struggle.]

 

[oztennisfan]

Is that your first fine?!
I haven't had a fine yet but I know some people that have and they have gotten out of paying it if it's their first fine and it's only a few kms over...

I need some of those fine avoiding skills right now...

 

[movdqa]

I need some of those fine avoiding skills right now...

Ask Sureshs for tips.