i wonder if the fast grass was planted again if Nadal/Djokovic/Murray

[tistrapukcipeht]

would even get to the quarters against some of these guys.

Seeing Gulbis and Jarnowcz (whatever his name is), Rosol (repeating the same level as last year in the FO), Del Potro, Raonic, Federer, Llodra, Stepanek and some other guys that can hit hard/serve and volley in fast conditions would be a different story to who holds slams.

A little difficulty (blue clay/first week in Wimbledon) they get knocked out because can't adapt.

I want to see if Nadal will complain about something.

Anyway, this is sort of scenario we'd get with different conditions (fast) and more grass tournaments.

Rosol has the biggest 2 hander I've seen.

 

[dimensionnw]

I think Murray is better on faster courts (he generally has had his best results on fast hard courts) so I doubt he would go out.

I agree that the courts have been slowed down too much but I disagree with the calls to return them to how they were in the 90s - all that would do is make it a serve fest and someone like karlovic might actually win it

 

[Laurie]

I think Murray is better on faster courts (he generally has had his best results on fast hard courts) so I doubt he would go out.

I agree that the courts have been slowed down too much but I disagree with the calls to return them to how they were in the 90s - all that would do is make it a serve fest and someone like karlovic might actually win it

Sigh....Karlovic couldn't win it because he can't return serve and his movement is not good. No one from that era won it with a limited game, one slam wonders like Krajicek and Stich were good all round players. Compare Karlovic to a Greg Rusedski, Rusedski never got beyond the quarterfinal.

 

[dimensionnw]

Sigh....Karlovic couldn't win it because he can't return serve and his movement is not good. No one from that era won it with a limited game, one slam wonders like Krajicek and Stich were good all round players. Compare Karlovic to a Greg Rusedski, Rusedski never got beyond the quarterfinal.

Well I didnt say he WOULD win it just that he might. He managed to beat Tsonga on slow grass so he could probably beat better players on a faster surface

And even if he couldnt win it that doesn't change the fact it would be predominantly a serve fest

 

[NamRanger]

Well I didnt say he WOULD win it just that he might. He managed to beat Tsonga on slow grass so he could probably beat better players on a faster surface

And even if he couldnt win it that doesn't change the fact it would be predominantly a serve fest

Everyone that won Wimbledon in the 90s had a well rounded game. Period. Agassi being the most deficient out of all of them still had a solid serve, and an extremely strong return game, while actually being not so shabby at the net for a guy that hardly ever goes up there.

 

[TigerTim]

people suggesting Karlovic would have done well in the 90s are silly, he would have come up against a field used to playing his game and in fact being able to, in many cases, do it better. In answer to the question Murray and Djokovic have done well on faster surfaces in the past, I don't know about Nadal.

 

[dimensionnw]

Everyone that won Wimbledon in the 90s had a well rounded game. Period. Agassi being the most deficient out of all of them still had a solid serve, and an extremely strong return game, while actually being not so shabby at the net for a guy that hardly ever goes up there.

could you point out where I disputed that

 

[NamRanger]

could you point out where I disputed that

Ivo is not a well rounded player and would likely never do better than a SF appearance at best.

 

[SLD76]

Ivo is not a well rounded player and would likely never do better than a SF appearance at best.

basically..

saying Ivo would win in the 90's with his no-topspin borderline top 100 ground game is an insult to that era.

yes the courts were fast, but not unplayably so.

 

[dimensionnw]

Ivo is not a well rounded player and would likely never do better than a SF appearance at best.

He has the best serve ever and managed to get to the quarter finals on slow grass. I think it's fair to say he would have had a very good chance of doing better than that on fast grass

 

[NamRanger]

basically..

saying Ivo would win in the 90's with his no-topspin borderline top 100 ground game is an insult to that era.

yes the courts were fast, but not unplayably so.

People like to make up stuff that someone like Goran wasn't a well rounded player make me laugh. Goran has more variety in his entire game than Nadal ever has in his entire career; he just is such a huge mental midget that he couldn't get over the hump. Dude had serious game from all parts of the court, as well as guys like Sampras, Edberg, Becker, Stich, Richard K, etc.

He has the best serve ever and managed to get to the quarter finals on slow grass. I think it's fair to say he would have had a very good chance of doing better than that on fast grass

Rusedski has a very comparable serve and is left handed on top of everything and still couldn't win it. Get out of here troll. And, Rusedski actually has more game than Karlovic outside of his serve on top of everything. And no, Karlovic doesn't have the best serve ever. If I were to pick one, I'd pick either Sampras or Goran at their absolute best. Goran during his Cinderella run was hitting serves that were out of this world, 125+ sliders way out wide coming from a tall left handed player.

 

[TeflonTom]

He has the best serve ever

yeah nah.

speed guns measure speed off racquet these days which makes people overrate current servers.

karlovic is a third rate player with a second rate serve

 

[dimensionnw]

People like to make up stuff that someone like Goran wasn't a well rounded player make me laugh. Goran has more variety in his entire game than Nadal ever has in his entire career; he just is such a huge mental midget that he couldn't get over the hump. Dude had serious game from all parts of the court, as well as guys like Sampras, Edberg, Becker, Stich, Richard K, etc.




Rusedski has a very comparable serve and is left handed on top of everything and still couldn't win it. Get out of here troll. And, Rusedski actually has more game than Karlovic outside of his serve on top of everything. And no, Karlovic doesn't have the best serve ever. If I were to pick one, I'd pick either Sampras or Goran at their absolute best. Goran during his Cinderella run was hitting serves that were out of this world, 125+ sliders way out wide coming from a tall left handed player.

Karlovic has the highest win percentage on service games in the open era IIRC so I don't think Rusedski is quite with him there. Also having someone disgree with you does not make them a troll. Wimbledon was becoming too serve dominant, it was mentioned a lot at the time. I think McEnroe actually suggested going back to wooden rackets to counter it.

 

[NamRanger]

Karlovic has the highest win percentage on service games in the open era IIRC so I don't think Rusedski is quite with him there. Also having someone disgree with you does not make them a troll. Wimbledon was becoming too serve dominant, it was mentioned a lot at the time. I think McEnroe actually suggested going back to wooden rackets to counter it.

Karlovic plays against crap competition, he rarely makes appearances in slams/masters for a reason. His serve win percentage is completely overrated. Roddick during his best years had a quite similar win percentage against higher quality opponents; that already qualifies him to be a better server.


Rusedski had a dangerous left handed serve that was pretty close to on level with Karlovic, and had far more game than Karlovic does outside of his serve and even he couldn't come close to sniffing a Wimbledon title. Karlovic has no chance on the old grass, he's too slow, not enough game, return is too poor.


Wimbledon was not too serve dominant; people knee jerk reacted to Goran/Sampras which would have been boring on clay, wood, hardcourt, molasses, sand, memory foam, whatever surface you wanted. It's two of the best servers of ALL TIME facing off against each other. No **** they are going to have a serve fest.

 

[SLD76]

Karlovic has the highest win percentage on service games in the open era IIRC so I don't think Rusedski is quite with him there. Also having someone disgree with you does not make them a troll. Wimbledon was becoming too serve dominant, it was mentioned a lot at the time. I think McEnroe actually suggested going back to wooden rackets to counter it.

for all his serve perentage, how many tourneys has Ivo won this year?


again, good serve, **** poor ground game.

 

[dimensionnw]

Karlovic plays against crap competition, he rarely makes appearances in slams/masters for a reason. His serve win percentage is completely overrated. Roddick during his best years had a quite similar win percentage against higher quality opponents; that already qualifies him to be a better server.


Rusedski had a dangerous left handed serve that was pretty close to on level with Karlovic, and had far more game than Karlovic does outside of his serve and even he couldn't come close to sniffing a Wimbledon title. Karlovic has no chance on the old grass, he's too slow, not enough game, return is too poor.


Wimbledon was not too serve dominant; people knee jerk reacted to Goran/Sampras which would have been boring on clay, wood, hardcourt, molasses, sand, memory foam, whatever surface you wanted. It's two of the best servers of ALL TIME facing off against each other. No **** they are going to have a serve fest.

that doesn't add up logically. Roddick has a far better all round game than Karlovic so if their serves were hypothetically equal you would expect Roddick to have a much higher win percentage on service points than Karlovic (as points are also won in rallies) but this isn't the case. It's true that Karlovic has played on average worse players than the better players which would skew his stats. But saying that I've seen him play very good players and still win a ridiculous ammount of points off his serve (even when he would still lose the match) Hewiit, Tsonga, Verdasco come to mind

The best way to compare with someone like Roddick would be points won on service games excluding later rounds of tournaments (thus eliminating the better quality opposition factor)Although this would still be bias towards Roddick as he has a better all round game, so maybe just aces and forced errors off serves or something

 

[nereis]

Karlovic beat Lleyton Hewitt, the man who typically eats big servers for breakfast, as the defending champion in 2003 at Wimbledon in the first round.

Considering that Hewitt usually has no troubles against any other big server and has winning if not very closely fought records against them I'd say that qualifies him as one of if not the best serves the game has seen.

It isn't the sheer pace that does it, but that plus the combination of angle and bounce that sends the ball out of the strike zone of most returners who try to be aggressive with the return.

That his game is otherwise sub-100 worthy is testament to his serve's ability to get him out of trouble.

 

[Fedex]

Murray's favoured surface is fast.
The slowing down of courts at all slams is a major factor he does not have a slam.
This is why he can often beat Federer, Nadal and Djokovic on fast.