Tennis_Hands
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I don't doubt you know your training, but you seem not to know your posting.
Are you saying Nadal should make his weight training sessions a matter of public record? I'm not even sure what you are saying, because you seem to not have any point.
Should? Noone should. Please, quote where I said such a thing!
However, I referred to the claims of the ************* that Nadal had never lifted heavy weights in order to gain the muscles that he has (which I disputed then and am ready to dispute now). If you take issue with that please talk to them. They know who they are (the posters that claimed that) so they shuld come forward.
What you will NOT find is that the country will protect and encourage its top dopers via its Prime minister.
What you will not find is a lack of anti-doping laws (until recently in the case of Spain).
What you will not find is top athletes showing public support for convicted dopers of the same nationality.
What you will not find is Operation Puerto.
What you will not find is a tolerance for the doping culture (including the destroying of blood samples and doctors openly admitting that this is the way to go).[/QUOTE]
As usual for a Butthurt Brigade member, you sure get your facts confused. Please answer..
1. When has Spain's prime minister encouraged doping?
Sure: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/spanish-prime-minister-supports-contador-1.1042918
Shall I post Nadal's support for "the champion" as well?
I see that you missed to address that in your post.
2. What does lack of anti-doping laws "until recently" have to do with the current situation? Anti-doping laws are relatively recent for most countries. Also, the lax nature of anti-doping laws in any country have very little to do with the legal standing of specific athletes. Nadal is not subject to Spanish law alone. He, like any other ATP player, is subject to laws and regulations from many countries and multi-national organisms. Sad that you can't grasp this simple concept.
I will try to address every single one of your questions since you seem confused to me:
1) There is no "current situation" Show me where the conversation was defined to be about the "current situation"
2) Could you define "relative recently", so that I can either show how this relates to Spain and the athletes that go to dope there or will simply destroy your argument if you try to twist things? Thanks
3) Nadal is not subject of the Spanish law alone, but the implications bound to not having the necessary legislation lead to different situation, when it comes to doping. WADA has only the right to make tests vie its representatives, but what about the regimes of possession of drugs, transportation of drugs etc.? So ANY spanish athlete, who is training in Spain (and for that matter any athlete) can organize his doping there as long as he is not afraid of the tests he need to undergo in case he is asked for it. Unless he is caught red handed any other situation can be escaped relatively easy (note: I am talking about a country with no anti-doping laws here). And he lives in that country. It is funny that you cannot grasp this simple concept.
What is more hilarious is the fact that not having anti-doping law is the reason why the judge couldn't proceed with the doping charges ....because Fuentes wasn't doing anything illegal (in that regard)at the time.
So, ask again ....
Should? Noone should. Please, quote where I said such a thing!
However, I referred to the claims of the ************* that Nadal have never lifted heavy weights in order to gain the muscles that he has (which I disputed then and am ready to dispute now). If you take issue with that please talk to them. They know who they are (the posters that claimed that) so they shuld come forward.
What you will NOT find is that the country will protect and encourage its top dopers via its Prime minister.
What you will not find is a lack of anti-doping laws (until recently in the case of Spain).
What you will not find is top athletes showing public support for convicted dopers of the same nationality.
What you will not find is Operation Puerto.
What you will not find is a tolerance for the doping culture (including the destroying of blood samples and doctors openly admitting that this is the way to go).
As usual for a Butthurt Brigade member, you sure get your facts confused. Please answer..
1. When has Spain's prime minister encouraged doping?
Sure: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/spanish-prime-minister-supports-contador-1.1042918
Shall I post Nadal's support for "the champion" as well?
I see that you missed to address that in your post.
3. If you are talking about Contador, you seem to know very little about the case. All Nadal did is show his conviction publicly that Contador actually didn't dope, which is the same thing that even international doctors have said. This "guilt by association" strategy is curious, given the company that Federer has kept in the past (known serial womanizers and spouse abusers, child abandoners, etc). It's easy to do what you are doing, but it's tasteless nonetheless.
Nadal has showed his support for Contador after Contador was banned from cycling for doping.
Nadal's conviction is more a telling sign of what he thinks about doping than almost anything that you can objectively access. If a sportsman, who has no phuking idea what Contador has done, just go out on a limb to say such things, then this is no more about the convicted doper, it is about the integrity of the athlete who defends the doper.
You may or may not be convinced that Contador doped (as various other people may or may not) but you are no authority on the matter. There are other authorities and they have spoken.
Actually, I find this rather hilarious. The ************* asks for fact based approach but dismiss at will the word of the law.
You don't know (or pretend to not know, which is all the same to me) that we have had this conversation before here.
And, just to make it clear, as you are getting a little carried away here about what I know and what I don't (as seen by your remarks about Operacion Puerto, the Festina affair and in this case Contador).
The plasticizers found in Contador's blood are enough to prove that he doped. The only reason that this was not used in his process is that the tests about plasticizers are not yet part of the official procedure of WADA. These blood bags .......
4. Operation Puerto is an internal Spanish operation, uncovered by Spanish police. What happened with the Festina affair is probably worse, and it affected Swiss labs, riders, doctors, etc. Alex Zulle ring a bell to you?
Oh, it was an internal spanish operation, but what were they looking for?
It seems that you think that you know about the Festina affair.
1) Please, list the swiss doctors that were part of that affair and what were exactly they doing, respectively, what happened to them? Names we know. I am curious what else you (think that you) know
2) What was the role of the labs and what were the consequences? In detail.
Do you believe, that, because you can name athletes from one country that doped, you can make the case of that country doing the same as Spain?
No, scratch that. I know the answer. Answer the other two.
5. Destruction of samples in Operation Puerto? Why did the judge order that? Are you even mildly familiar with that case? (Rhetorical question).
Ah, she (the judge) oredered that, because that is private information and also one that was in no way to be linked to any sort of crime on the behalf of the owners.... because at the time doping was not illegal in Spain.
Did you know that?
Yes, because when someone orders EPO in industrial quantities to a lab they just ship it over without even asking what it's for... Makes sense to you?
Is that a story that you conjured up or there is an evidence that those labs knew what the EPO would be used for?
You do touch something that has some value, however. I think the fact Spain hosted the Summer Olympics in 1992, right when the new doping technologies were being perfected, does have a lot to do with Spain's history in that area.
But what you can't do is judge somebody simply by association.
I think what was disastrous was your feeble attempt at a riposte. True to Butthurt Brigade tradition, you could only come up with "Operation Puerto this", "muscles" that, "Swiss athletes good", etc.
What idiotic comments.
It has been argued and argumented why Nadal has been subject to those accusations. It is not only because he is from Spain but all of the above mentioned plus more.
It was and still is a disaster for you.
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