Is nadal doing the right thing?

[mariecon]

Fed winning 2 tight sets to start and then being up 4-1 in the 4th? Current Fed? Only in your dreams :lol:

I think you need glasses! LOL.

edit: I see you apologized. No probs. But it could happen. Anything can happen in tennis (hint:Rosol). But it was meant to be Wimbledon hence the green court (although it appears the score is from RG).

 

[Talker]

I can't believe people still think rafa has trouble with his knees. People with common sense can understand the stuff he says is for the PR and part of his camp's strategy. There is always a injury claim every day of the year but he still runs like a jack rabbit on court. There is a limit to excuses a player can give and the amount of shady scenarios Rafa went through are ridiculously high to believe in anything he says anymore.

Nadal's word can't be trusted anymore, too many conflicts on what he says.

Nadal will play more hards because the knees aren't as bad as he says, he's playing on Fed's turf which he'd never do if the knees are so sensitive to hards.

He wouldn't have played IW either, especially during the comeback where caution is very important.
I'm not buying his story at all.

Besides that he is known for gamesmanship, wouldn't be surprised if he says Djokovic is the favorite at RG.
The clay court GOAT saying to a guy who has done little there that he is the favorite.

I still like him but just don't believe his stories, I'm not alone.

 

[JackReacher]

Nadal's word can't be trusted anymore, too many conflicts on what he says.

Nadal will play more hards because the knees aren't as bad as he says, he's playing on Fed's turf which he'd never do if the knees are so sensitive to hards.

He wouldn't have played IW either, especially during the comeback where caution is very important.
I'm not buying his story at all.

Besides that he is known for gamesmanship, wouldn't be surprised if he says Djokovic is the favorite at RG.
The clay court GOAT saying to a guy who has done little there that he is the favorite.

I still like him but just don't believe his stories, I'm not alone.

Ironically, none of Nadal's "stories" have been proven wrong.

 

[Talker]

Ironically, none of Nadal's "stories" have been proven wrong.

They haven't been proven right either.

 

[TMF]

Ironically, none of Nadal's "stories" have been proven wrong.

Nadal can say he's not one of the favorite at the FO, and no one can prove him wrong. But how people believe him is another story.

 

[JackReacher]

Nadal can say he's not one of the favorite at the FO, and no one can prove him wrong. But how people believe him is another story.

That's because Nadal's opinion on whether he is a favorite is not for another person to decide the validity of. Opinions are subjective. Plus you are talking about something that hasn't happened (you need to wait for Nadal's RG press conference). I think he says he's not "the favorite" rather than "a favorite", which is very realistic this year if he's the 5th seed and hasn't played a slam since this time last year.

 

[cc0509]

Since his comeback nadal has been playing well reaching the finals of all the tournaments he has played in.But he is playing almost every week and has a jam packed schedule ahead of him.He still says he has pain in his knees.My question is should he cut down on tournaments after RG or should he play all the tournaments leading up to the USO and risk damaging his knees further?

 

[cc0509]

He hasn't been playing almost every week when you consider he had a month off after IW since he skipped Miami. He needs matches, imo since he is so out of form since his layoff after IW. I also think it would be a good idea to skip Cinci, and a lot of the fall hardcourt season. He won't do it, but Nadal has always been a dummy when it comes to scheduling himself properly. He added Basel into his schedule this year, which should tell you how big of a dummy he is about managing his schedule.

Or it tells you his knee injury is not really that serious.

 

[Clarky21]

Or it tells you his knee injury is not really that serious.

His lousy movement on court and the constant limping say otherwise.

 

[sbengte]

being at the top for so long despite regularly being out injured. It's part of the awesomeness of a player like this.

This is what Nadal himself has said (in a rare moment of candor) :

RN. One loses a bit of intensity over the years. The intensity in your
belief in yourself, in your concentration, in being positive, in
believing things are going to go well.. these are all in the mind. You
gradually lose a bit of this over the years. You get burnt out by
competition. I've spent seven years practically without being out of the
top two in the world. It's the same as when they say I have a lot of
injuries. I don't get injured much. I've had problems many times, but
those that have been injured a great deal are Del Potro, Tsonga.. With
seven years without dropping from the top two in the world and with the
way tennis functions, it's impossible for me to have been much injured.
It's always the same. They talk for the sake of talking. Many people
write giving their impression, not quoting the statistics. I've had
difficult moments, problems, but not really serious injuries... and it
appears I get injured a lot.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=407229

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Found this among the links there :lol:

LOL, who made this?!

 

[cc0509]

His lousy movement on court and the constant limping say otherwise.

I don't see either, he looks fine to me. Nadal's knee is fine and Djokovic's ankle is fine. They need to stop the theatrics.

 

[tusharlovesrafa]

This is what Nadal himself has said (in a rare moment of candor) :

RN. One loses a bit of intensity over the years. The intensity in your
belief in yourself, in your concentration, in being positive, in
believing things are going to go well.. these are all in the mind. You
gradually lose a bit of this over the years. You get burnt out by
competition. I've spent seven years practically without being out of the
top two in the world. It's the same as when they say I have a lot of
injuries. I don't get injured much. I've had problems many times, but
those that have been injured a great deal are Del Potro, Tsonga.. With
seven years without dropping from the top two in the world and with the
way tennis functions, it's impossible for me to have been much injured.
It's always the same. They talk for the sake of talking. Many people
write giving their impression, not quoting the statistics. I've had
difficult moments, problems, but not really serious injuries... and it
appears I get injured a lot.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=407229

This means nothing tbh..There could be 100s of interpretations of this article.At the end of the day we don't exactly know the extent of his injury and we can only speculate.It's entirely upto him to disclose what ever he wants.He struggles to express himself in ENGLISH anyway,so i don't think one should look too much into his english pressers..

 

[Talker]

This is what Nadal himself has said (in a rare moment of candor) :

RN. One loses a bit of intensity over the years. The intensity in your
belief in yourself, in your concentration, in being positive, in
believing things are going to go well.. these are all in the mind. You
gradually lose a bit of this over the years. You get burnt out by
competition. I've spent seven years practically without being out of the
top two in the world. It's the same as when they say I have a lot of
injuries. I don't get injured much. I've had problems many times, but
those that have been injured a great deal are Del Potro, Tsonga.. With
seven years without dropping from the top two in the world and with the
way tennis functions, it's impossible for me to have been much injured.
It's always the same. They talk for the sake of talking. Many people
write giving their impression, not quoting the statistics. I've had
difficult moments, problems, but not really serious injuries... and it
appears I get injured a lot.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=407229

Thanks for posting.

Common sense here and matches what is obvious.

 

[TMF]

Thanks for posting.

Common sense here and matches what is obvious.

160 straight weeks at #2 and 102 weeks at #1. No player can be this consistent if he's isn't healthy/fit.

 

[Clarky21]

I don't see either, he looks fine to me. Nadal's knee is fine and Djokovic's ankle is fine. They need to stop the theatrics.

Have you been watching his matches? His limping is so noticeable that he was asked about it during his presser the other day. He is also moving like his feet are stuck in cement, especially out to his forehand side.

 

[sbengte]

Have you been watching his matches? His limping is so noticeable that he was asked about it during his presser the other day. He is also moving like his feet are stuck in cement, especially out to his forehand side.

If a 'limping' and barely moving Nadal is owning the tour winning masters left right and centre, does it mean we are in the weakest era of all time ?

 

[tudwell]

I don't think Nadal is doing himself any favors playing his normal clay court schedule. That's what always pushes his tendinitis over the brink. It's no coincidence that his injury lay-off in 2009 started after Roland Garros and his injury lay-off last year started after Wimbledon. He wears his knees down making all those clay court finals week after week, and with hardly any break before the grass season. From Monte-Carlo to Wimbledon, he'll have played nine out of twelve weeks - and it's very likely he makes it deep into each of those tournaments as he's done so far. That's not much time for resting.

 

[heninfan99]

Yeah but I think it would be okay if he retired from hard courts all together. He's proven he can win there and he can still catch Fed's record just on grass & clay. But maybe he needs the points.

 

[mandy01]

Did you even see the way he was playing in Chile and Brasil?, you know, struggling against guys who were challenger level players?.

He's many times the player Delpo is.

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Federer was struggling against Challenger-level players too. So what? Sorry but the pace of Nadal's comeback is WAY too dubious for me.

 

[mandy01]

Good points and it's probably the way Rafa is thinking about it.



Well Mandy, you haven't seen many champions before do many of the things Nadal has done in his career. Clay win streak, h2h against other great players, three slams on different surfaces in a year, winning slams 8 years in a row, career winning percentage, winning percentages on clay, being at the top for so long despite regularly being out injured. It's part of the awesomeness of a player like this. You can admire it, or you can be annoyed by it if you can't help it lol. But to say he's been exaggerating or taking a vacation when he was SEVEN months out, and couldn't have looked happier when he came back... well, it just doesn't make sense.

Such a lame argument. Achievement and calibre is one thing. But if you claim you have a serious injury and are OUT of the game for months together, how do you simply comeback and start winning nearly everything in sight? And btw: There have been Champions of Nadal's calibre.

 

[tudwell]

Such a lame argument. Achievement and calibre is one thing. But if you claim you have a serious injury and are OUT of the game for months together, how do you simply comeback and start winning nearly everything in sight? And btw: There have been Champions of Nadal's calibre.

Well, Nadal looked set to come back at the Australian Open but then got a virus that ruined his preparation. If he felt ready to come back then, I would assume the extra time to practice and get back into tip-top shape only improved his level even more. I don't think his quick comeback is cause for any concern. Clijsters won the 2009 U.S. Open in her third tournament back on tour after a two-year retirement and I don't remember all this hoopla.

 

[TMF]

Well, Nadal looked set to come back at the Australian Open but then got a virus that ruined his preparation. If he felt ready to come back then, I would assume the extra time to practice and get back into tip-top shape only improved his level even more. I don't think his quick comeback is cause for any concern. Clijsters won the 2009 U.S. Open in her third tournament back on tour after a two-year retirement and I don't remember all this hoopla.

You're comparing apples to oranges. The WTA competition is a joke while the ATP has tremendous depth. If you want to compare a player to Nadal, then use Del Potro, or Davydenko for example. These players actually got injured and it took them for awhile to get back in form. Nadal claimed injury but never had surgery, and he's playing like he's the healthiest player on the tour. Had Nadal never complain, one could watch him played throughout all those years and conclude that he's one of the healthiest player.

 

[sureshs]

You're comparing apples to oranges. The WTA competition is a joke while the ATP has tremendous depth. If you want to compare a player to Nadal, then use Del Potro, or Davydenko for example. These players actually got injured and it took them for awhile to get back in form. Nadal claimed injury but never had surgery, and he's playing like he's the healthiest player on the tour. Had Nadal never complain, one could watch him played throughout all those years and conclude that he's one of the healthiest player.

That is because he can beat anyone even when injured.

 

[mistik]

You're comparing apples to oranges. The WTA competition is a joke while the ATP has tremendous depth. If you want to compare a player to Nadal, then use Del Potro, or Davydenko for example. These players actually got injured and it took them for awhile to get back in form. Nadal claimed injury but never had surgery, and he's playing like he's the healthiest player on the tour. Had Nadal never complain, one could watch him played throughout all those years and conclude that he's one of the healthiest player.

He looks like the healthiest player out there ??? Give me break.The only surprising result since his comeback is his win IW. Nadal at his best or not will not lose the likes Wawrinka on clay.His tennis at the moment on clay is bad despite the results.

 

[mandy01]

Well, Nadal looked set to come back at the Australian Open but then got a virus that ruined his preparation. If he felt ready to come back then, I would assume the extra time to practice and get back into tip-top shape only improved his level even more. I don't think his quick comeback is cause for any concern. Clijsters won the 2009 U.S. Open in her third tournament back on tour after a two-year retirement and I don't remember all this hoopla.

I'll say this: Practice sessions are rarely taken as determinants of tournament victories. I remember in 2010 a number of people who saw Roger in practice (including Bodo and I think Kamakshi Tandon [ dont remember that one, very well] ) said Roger looked fantastic in his practice sessions. Very focused, fairly intense. But it just wasn't translating on the court. This was after his bout of the lung infection which forced him out of Dubai. Again, the issue is not with having success. The issue is with the rate and pace of it.

And no, the ATP and WTA comparison doesn't work. For one, the field and level of players is different. For that matter, why take Clijsters. Look at how often, Serena skips tournaments citing injuries but is back to winning majors when push comes to shove.

 

[TMF]

That is because he can beat anyone even when injured.

 

[monfed]

Ralph coming back to win everything in sight isn't exactly shocking because 90% of the field(barring Djokovic and to some extent Murray) just can't cope with the relentless moonballing to their BHs, so he just exploits that to the hilt to gain unprecedented success. Countless times he's out of position but all he does is just loop a moonball to his opponent's BH to reset/win the point,it's ugly and annoying but effective and makes for negative tennis imo.

Now ofcourse Ralph running around like a jack rabbit even after a long layoff(supposedly due to an injury) is certainly dubious and raises eyebrows.